The Official Lotto Results Thread

[Livinthedream]

I think 25-26 or even 23-24 are the most wildy speculative as most think he's absolute max 20 and many are in the 18 or bit under camp. An M.D. in Spain who examined him when Biyombo first arrived to play professionally concluded he was definitely only 16 or 17 at that time. This link is probably best analysis I've seen covering wide range of opinion and facts that are known about his age.

http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/0...-the-wrist-test-could-determine-biyombos-age/

He's a manchild. I like it. Wouldn't mind having Shawn Kemp reincarnate on this team.

 

[sterö]

You have to be careful who you learn it form -- DeMarcus was playing PF for us the entire second half of the year. Ther key factor there was Dalembert. Cousins DOES have the offensive game to play PF. He has the offensive game in fact to likely dominate at PF. And when he's there you are just overwhelming with size/rebounding. Its a huge edge to be able to twin tower somebody. But the key guy is Dalembert, because he's a center who can anchor the middle defenisvely, but who also has the athleticism and mobility to take those tough PF matchups instead of Cousins.

On offense, there is no problem. Cousins can play PF or C on offense, and yes, there is some Webb to his game. As a rebounder Cousins can play PF or C. The difficulty is on defense. Therefore what you need from a person paired with Cousins is:

1) a shotblocker able to anchor your interior defense, ala Noah, Chandler, Ibaka/Perkins etc. (it ain't coincidence all the remmainging teams have them)
2) a mobile defender able to guard more mobile PFs that COusins doesn't matchup well with

With Dalembert, you have both of those areas covered. He's a rare player in that. Chandler is a free agent and could do both of those as well. But few players can do both. There are big cetners who cna do #1 but not #2. there are PFs who can do #2 but not #1. But we already have/had one of the rare guys who can do both #1 and #2.

Biyombo is only listed at 6'9". We'd be getting a lot smaller. Basically unless he is actually able at that size to shut down the middle ala a Dalembert, you are losing in the deal if that's the swap.

He's only 6'9" in shoes (6'7.75" w/o shoes) but his wingspan at 7'7" is gigantic. Just compare it to Kanter's measurements. 6'10.5" in shoes and only a 7'1" wingspan...

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

Definitely realistic, things will likely change in a month but as of now here's a compilation of 12 mock drafts across the internets.

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/05/18/consensus.mock.draft/

Most had us taking Walker. Second most was Knight. Also two of them had Knight still on the board but having us taking somebody else. The reason for Knight being on the board in all those scenarios is if Walker gets picked before us..

1) Walker (4)
2) Knight (3)
3) Leonard (2)
4) Biyombo
5) Motiejunas
6) Valanciunas

Seeing so many of these scouting sites pick Walker for us makes me want to just ignore them until draft day. Walker is such a bad fit with our personnel -- it seems obvious that whoever is making these mocks is basing it on an absolute glancing analysis of a team's roster and plugging in players based on perceived need. No accounting for draft history of the GM or even just giving us BPA. I tend to appreciate DX the most out of all of these, but even their analysis/predictions aren't really worth anything until workouts begin and they can get a sense of a front office's feelings towards certain players.

 

[gunks]

He's only 6'9" in shoes (6'7.75" w/o shoes) but his wingspan at 7'7" is gigantic. Just compare it to Kanter's measurements. 6'10.5" in shoes and only a 7'1" wingspan...

More important than that wingspan is his standing reach...

9'3... Not too shabby.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Probably doesn't have the athleticism to be a full time PF. Plus, Biyombo is a PF. No need to switch them around if we were to draft him.

I don't know. He may not have the athleticism of Webb or some of the other PFs , but I think guys like Randolph and Duncan have proven you don't need to be an elite athlete to be an elite PF.

 

[Glenn]

I'm not sure how you define who plays the C and PF position, but if night in and night out I see one guy guarding the opposing team's C and the opposing team's C guarding that guy, then I consider him a C and I consider the one consistently guarding and guarded by the PF a PF. In reality, it doesn't matter which slot you put either guy at, just that they function well together.

I think the term "bigs" fits better than to try to squeeze them into some predefined slot. I haven't paid particular attention to this with the Kings but I assume against some teams our bigs are guarded by a player they don't guard when we are on defense. Foul trouble may dictate who guards whom also.

 

[sterö]

I don't know. He may not have the athleticism of Webb or some of the other PFs , but I think guys like Randolph and Duncan have proven you don't need to be an elite athlete to be an elite PF.

Cousins can play PF on the offensive end. But on D he's not able to defend athletic PFs like Amare or Blake. But if your center is athletic enough to defend these kind of players, like Sammy, he can play at the 4.

 

[Dime Dropper]

You have to be careful who you learn it form -- DeMarcus was playing PF for us the entire second half of the year. Ther key factor there was Dalembert. Cousins DOES have the offensive game to play PF. He has the offensive game in fact to likely dominate at PF. And when he's there you are just overwhelming with size/rebounding. Its a huge edge to be able to twin tower somebody. But the key guy is Dalembert, because he's a center who can anchor the middle defenisvely, but who also has the athleticism and mobility to take those tough PF matchups instead of Cousins.

On offense, there is no problem. Cousins can play PF or C on offense, and yes, there is some Webb to his game. As a rebounder Cousins can play PF or C. The difficulty is on defense. Therefore what you need from a person paired with Cousins is:

1) a shotblocker able to anchor your interior defense, ala Noah, Chandler, Ibaka/Perkins etc. (it ain't coincidence all the remmainging teams have them)
2) a mobile defender able to guard more mobile PFs that COusins doesn't matchup well with

With Dalembert, you have both of those areas covered. He's a rare player in that. Chandler is a free agent and could do both of those as well. But few players can do both. There are big cetners who cna do #1 but not #2. there are PFs who can do #2 but not #1. But we already have/had one of the rare guys who can do both #1 and #2.

Biyombo is only listed at 6'9". We'd be getting a lot smaller. Basically unless he is actually able at that size to shut down the middle ala a Dalembert, you are losing in the deal if that's the swap.

If that was a dig at me, then I'm surprised at you Brick. We're not in disagreement regarding whether Cousins can play PF offensively, or defensively depending on the matchup. But as of this point I'd say he's more of a center simply due to matchups on the defensive end. Having Dalembert certainly makes it easier to have him at PF, but if we didn't have him, there's no doubt he'd primarily be a C.

We rarely disagree on anything, so if you're questioning my basketball IQ, you're questioning your own.

 

[est.1999]

Don't think it was a shot at you. The other poster who he quoted said that they had just started learning the game.

 

[Siranthony]

Talking to you guys it looks like we are set in the middle then. So a point guard is the biggest need. But do you think there is one good enough to take at 7. Or try to get one in FA and draft a real shooter. What talent is available at 7 do you like. I have watched some clips and I'm not thrilled with any of the PGs available. Too much one on one play.

If I had to pick a PG I like Freddette.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Talking to you guys it looks like we are set in the middle then. So a point guard is the biggest need. But do you think there is one good enough to take at 7. Or try to get one in FA and draft a real shooter. What talent is available at 7 do you like. I have watched some clips and I'm not thrilled with any of the PGs available. Too much one on one play.

Our biggest need is probably SF. Our three guard rotation is solid with Evans/Thornton/Udrih and I don't think Petrie will consider drafting a PG unless Knight falls to us, or unless he really likes Walker. People are very high on Kawhi Leonard - there is alot of good discussion going on about him in the personnel forum. He's a SF - good athlete, defender, rebounder, solid skills and excellent work ethic. You will get a better feel for the players in the draft in the personnel forum, as well as what the general concensus is regarding our biggest needs.