The Official Cut Derrick Williams Thread
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KingMilz
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Nah keep him we going to need his expiring deal when we try deal Mclemore and whoever else to try get someone like Larry Sanders or whoever it may be, his contract is going to come in handy.
Is he not a lock to make the final roster since he's got a deal worth like 5mil in money he WILL get. It would be stupid to cut him we can still get at worst 2nd round picks for him.
Is he not a lock to make the final roster since he's got a deal worth like 5mil in money he WILL get. It would be stupid to cut him we can still get at worst 2nd round picks for him.
I see him more as trade deadline asset but he won't be playing much.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well that's a bit much.
But I do agree that he still has no obvious role in this league, and he's had a particularly hopeless looking offseason. Beach muscles not brawn as a power player, and the extra distance on the 3pt shot seems to baffle him as a shooting SF. And all summer long its looked like he has no game, no plan for what to do with his skills. Casspi on the other hand once again looks like a perfectly acceptable NBA level SF with some skills, some aggression, and maybe some better court awareness/passing/team play this time around. Looks entirely acceptable as a backup SF without all the "positionless" drama.
But DWill's still a decent sized ending contract attached to a former high draft pick. It should be a moveable asset for something at some point...if our front office can get all its possible too many cooks aligned. The owner has specifically mentioned Williams repeatedly as part of the "positionless basketball" fantasy he dreamt up while coaching his daughter's rec league team. Giving up the dream of a power forward with no power, a small forward with no ball skills, or a SG with a haha might be painful for us.
But I do agree that he still has no obvious role in this league, and he's had a particularly hopeless looking offseason. Beach muscles not brawn as a power player, and the extra distance on the 3pt shot seems to baffle him as a shooting SF. And all summer long its looked like he has no game, no plan for what to do with his skills. Casspi on the other hand once again looks like a perfectly acceptable NBA level SF with some skills, some aggression, and maybe some better court awareness/passing/team play this time around. Looks entirely acceptable as a backup SF without all the "positionless" drama.
But DWill's still a decent sized ending contract attached to a former high draft pick. It should be a moveable asset for something at some point...if our front office can get all its possible too many cooks aligned. The owner has specifically mentioned Williams repeatedly as part of the "positionless basketball" fantasy he dreamt up while coaching his daughter's rec league team. Giving up the dream of a power forward with no power, a small forward with no ball skills, or a SG with a haha might be painful for us.
kingsnation
All-Star
Well as much as I would love to get him off the team, the reality is that he will, hopefully at some point, be valuable as trade filler. Even if that isn't the case, I would still rather trade him for a 2047 2nd rounder than just lose him for free.
We won't be cutting him.
As others have mentioned, as an expiring contract at $6.3M he's a massive trade asset. It seems that this team wants to add another piece. If we want to make a deal for, say, a Josh Smith or a Larry Sanders or another vet with a long expensive contract, Williams is a very enticing piece. Cutting him would be to give up our best trade piece (in salary cap terms) for nothing. That's not going to happen.
That said, it doesn't look like he's capable of playing basketball at an NBA level. Perhaps we can change this to "The Official Make Sure Derrick Williams Rides The Bench Until We Trade Him For Something We Want Thread".
As others have mentioned, as an expiring contract at $6.3M he's a massive trade asset. It seems that this team wants to add another piece. If we want to make a deal for, say, a Josh Smith or a Larry Sanders or another vet with a long expensive contract, Williams is a very enticing piece. Cutting him would be to give up our best trade piece (in salary cap terms) for nothing. That's not going to happen.
That said, it doesn't look like he's capable of playing basketball at an NBA level. Perhaps we can change this to "The Official Make Sure Derrick Williams Rides The Bench Until We Trade Him For Something We Want Thread".
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I really liked Williams in college. He looked like a safe bet at worse. As it turns out, worse just got worse. It's a shame. It's as though all the skills he displayed in college just disappeared. Last year he was able to coast with no real opposition for his bench spot, and the inability to pigeon hole him into a position. However, this year the Kings did the smart thing. They brought in someone to compete for his spot on the bench in Casspi, and Casspi is easily winning the competition. To go one step further, Casspi has been impressive at times. If you can leave past information at the doorstep, Casspi looks like a very valuable acquisition. But that's another thread. Point is, Casspi has made Williams irrelevant. So as the Capt has stated, we can't and won't just cut him, but I'm sure his name has been re-added to the trade list with permanent marker.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
He's horrible. I can't stand watching his shoot jumpers. And his new hair isn't helping make me want to like him
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
I think they need to 'sell' a team on him needing to start and get lots of minutes in order to find his game....and that we are no longer in a position to do that with our current roster. Show what he did with Kings before the Gay trade, and see if a team who needs a young 3 will take a chance, just like we did.
Not that it matters and not that it would have necassarily been great for us, but it would be interesting to know where his game would be now, had the Gay trade not happened and he kept starting and getting big minutes
Not that it matters and not that it would have necassarily been great for us, but it would be interesting to know where his game would be now, had the Gay trade not happened and he kept starting and getting big minutes
randymoss1881
Starter
There's no need to play him for trade value he is expiring that's enough and the only reason a team trades for him
Glenn
Hall of Famer
He's "our" expiring also. If we can work a trade, fine. If we can't, it's not the worst thing in the world. In either case, he won't play.
Chupacabra
Starter
We traded away Mbah a Moute, Prince of Cameroon, for him. Way to insult an entire country.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Yes. That's why when you sign a guy, you have to be sure of what you are getting. You can't cut him. As the #2 pick, he is not making chump change even if it is a rookie contract. What I like is a few contracts are expiring at the end of this year and I figure we have a year to figure out exactly what we need and then go get him. I hope Rudy adjusts to our offense or we adjust to his and he wants to stay at a reasonable amount otherwise my ideas can be flushed down the toilet. I had scratched DWill from our team already. It's just a matter of when.
bajaden
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
Have you told Malone yet?
He like my ideas.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
Looking back, some of us were not fond of the trade when it went down. Moute had just settled into his lockdown mode guarding positions 1-4, including an awesome stint against Chris Paul...and the feeling of changing the defensive "culture" was starting to take place. He would be a valuable player to have with this current roster
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I understood the trade as getting a #2 pick is worth a risk. It didn't fit with what we were told about the defensive culture and a lot of people were scratching their head but I guess you've said that.
Apparently defensive culture will be to teach team defense and I'm OK with that. I'm seeing a little more interest in defense.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
I understood the trade as getting a #2 pick is worth a risk. It didn't fit with what we were told about the defensive culture and a lot of people were scratching their head but I guess you've said that.
To have that kind of defensive stopper to bring in late in games, is extremely valuable...especially with our shooting guards who are not lockdown guys. Wish we could bring him back
randymoss1881
Starter
Ya wee need him and the way the 76ers trade he would be easy to get unfortunelty I don't think we would do it but I badly hope we do
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
McLemore and someone else, for Moute ??
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
I understood the trade as getting a #2 pick is worth a risk. It didn't fit with what we were told about the defensive culture and a lot of people were scratching their head but I guess you've said that.
The trade and "risk" made sense at the time with our roster then,...but then we also traded for Rudy Gay a couple weeks later. At that point, it didn't make sense...and would have been a lot nicer to still have Moute
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I'm far from ok with just "teaching" team defense if Malone keeps following that up with three guard lineups and/or a Reggie/Landry pairing down low.I understood the trade as getting a #2 pick is worth a risk. It didn't fit with what we were told about the defensive culture and a lot of people were scratching their head but I guess you've said that.
Malone is also talking far less about defense this year, which leads me to believe PDA has polluted his thought process.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I understand fully.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I don't know about "and someone else" as for all I know Ben could end up being a star and there must be someone who could be talked into that. There were games where Moute was a defensive monster and that gave me a warm feeling of happiness.
randymoss1881
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Which really baffles me we just hear this position less nonsense and offense what happened to the defense.
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