The Kings turned attention toward Memphis' Bonzi Wells.
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Padrino
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i would pick up bonzi wells in a heartbeat, IF we still had chris webber. webb's a commanding force in a locker room, regardless of what people think of the "calling out" of his teammates incident. who's gonna stand up to bonzi's hot-headed nature if we pick him up? bibby? adelman? maybe wells could keep his cool in a contract year (assuming memphis picks up his option), but its another high risk situation. of course, the kings could decide to ever roam the path of trying out risky players with expiring contracts (ie: mobley), but where the hell would that get us? i like bonzi wells, for many of the reasons stated in this thread, but unless the kings pick up an impact player who's also a leader (*cough*KG*cough*), they're still gonna be a soft, middling team. we need size. bonzi brings some toughness, but what we are in the most dire need of is a big man (not a small player who plays big) with balls of steel, pardon the vulgarity. if we got *insert tough, ballsy big man with leadership qualities here*, then i would seriously advocate trading/signing bonzi wells. right now i dont think this fragile kings team could handle him.
nbrans
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Padrino said:
I think you make really good points and I wouldn't really disagree with anything you're saying, but I think it might be good to have someone of Bonzi's mindset, a little me-first tough-headed-ness. Hopefully he might spark some of the players on our team who are content with just coasting and being nice. I think that chemistry is a tad overrated, especially on teams without a clear dominant superstar. Sometimes it's good to have people mixing it up and being selfish and having an edge.
Also, I think Bonzi's main complaint in Memphis was playing time, and that wouldn't be a problem in Sacramento.
And I really don't think KG is much of a leader, he's the same guy who cheap shotted Rick Rickert just because Rickert scored on him in practice. Rickert needed 7 stiches. Way to be a team player, KG.
So basically, as long as Bonzi isn't punching people who score on him in practice he's fine by me.
Peja4threee
G-League
Yes, I would welcome Bonzi to the team. The guy can ball and he just needs to be in the right situation and our team is it. A Bibby Bonzi backcourt would be potent. Garcia could back up Peja and Martin could back up Wells. I also would like to get Theo Ratlif on the team.
Bibby - Bobby PG
Bonzi - Martin SG
Peja - Garcia SF
Thomas - Theo PF
Miller - Skinner C
Bibby - Bobby PG
Bonzi - Martin SG
Peja - Garcia SF
Thomas - Theo PF
Miller - Skinner C
ForlornKing
Starter
We Need Battier!!!!
LPKingsFan
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ForlornKing said:
You sound like me. I think Memphis values him even more than Gasol though, so Shane is hardly available.
KP
Starter
Bonzi has some sanity issues but he's no Ron Artest, and he will be playing in a contract year right? Bonzi's always had some serious talent, he just never seems to put it all together... but if he's playing with a decent team, with some decent guys that share the ball, and he's playing for his next contract... maybe then he would be motivated enough to put it all together. He would really shore up our defense with his length and toughness. He can score at a pretty good clip as Brick posted, and thats both inside and out. He does have issues but this is the only player I've heard mentioned so far that I really think could help us. He could end up hurting the team just as easily I acknowledge that but at this point I think I'd be happy if we got him. If Bobby does go as part of a trade, that will free up some minutes for the young guys.
captain bill
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Peja4threee said:
I like that team. Not great, but a lot better than where we ended last year, could get some stuff done and flexible for the future.
Alacron
Bench
I don't like the idea of trading Skinner or Thomas for a swingman at this point. Our C/PF position is so shaky as it is, and if we were to get rid of one of those two, we may just have the most dire lack of big men in the league.
C- Miller, Tag
PF- Skinner or Thomas?
Crikey. We may grab Antoine Walker just out of desperation.
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C- Miller, Tag
PF- Skinner or Thomas?
Crikey. We may grab Antoine Walker just out of desperation.
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KingsRNumba1
G-League
yeah bonzi would be a good pickup for the kings
LPKingsFan
All-Star
I honestly think a Miller/Walker/Peja/Bonzi/Bibby lineup is better than a Miller/Thomas/Peja/Cat/Bibby lineup and is definitely a step up from Miller/Thomas/Peja/kids/Bibby
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thesanityannex
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LPKingsFan said:
Agreed, but I just can't see it coming together. I like the lineup though.
KingsFan 3030
Prospect
^^^ NICE SIG.. im listening to that song right now actually, its FIYAH.
and to stay on topic, i think bonzi is definitely a step up from mobley, maybe not in scoring but on defense and on the boards. i just dont know how well he'd fit in, and he seems to have alot of attitude problems. but, hey, if we can get him,i say go for it. but for some reason, i dont wanna give up B-Jax. Sure, he's been injured the plast couple seasons, but that doesnt exactly mean he can't get back to his form from when bibby was out for the season's first 17 games a couple years back.
and to stay on topic, i think bonzi is definitely a step up from mobley, maybe not in scoring but on defense and on the boards. i just dont know how well he'd fit in, and he seems to have alot of attitude problems. but, hey, if we can get him,i say go for it. but for some reason, i dont wanna give up B-Jax. Sure, he's been injured the plast couple seasons, but that doesnt exactly mean he can't get back to his form from when bibby was out for the season's first 17 games a couple years back.
Entity
Hall of Famer
regaurding the leadership issues. Have any of you ever been in the locker room? Have any of you ever been behind the bench to see who was saying what to whom? Or are all of you just going by what somebody else in here said? That said I have been 5 feet behind the bench at a game when Webber and Christie was still there last year. The only person i saw yelling and pumping up the team and actually telling the rest of the team to step up was none other than Mike Bibby. He was the ONLY person on the bench that was vocal during every timeout. Not to mention his article where he said he was the leader.
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thesanityannex
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well, bibby has this upcoming season to PROVE he is THE leader. It is now his team.
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ONEZERO
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I say get wells if we can. However, I wanna focus on the pf position first. Once were established at that position, then adding wells would be terrific. Also, another problem that has been stated before is that our kids at sg will be left on the bench most of the time. I think I could live with martin or garcia starting at the 2 only if we could get a good pf **cough** nene **cough**.
SacTownKid
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Bricklayer said:
ME LIKE!!!
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Bricklayer said:
Yes I would have to agree, but the problem is that next season teams are going to play the Suns the way the Spurs did. Let Nash score for the whole team. Gaurd the other guys and give Nash a whole bunch of opprotunities, he'll be run ragged 4 weeks into the season.
Just like the rest of the league figured out the Kings of old, the rest of the league will figure out the Suns.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
People need to realize that for the most part, Bonzi's stay in Memphis was a good one until Fratello came in as coach. Plus there was another guy that was labeled a headcase who played in Portland, his name is Rasheed I do believe.
I would love to see the Kings sign Bonzi but I am also torn b/c I would hate to see either Kevin or Francisco pushed to the end of the bench. Also if Bonzi ends up in Sacramento, I don't see Mo Evans having much of a place here anymore.
One other big positive is that Bonzi is a nice expiring deal that could be quite valueable around the trading deadline.
Realistically I would think that we would have to part with Bobby and Skinner, so we wouldn't be getting Bonzi for free. I say Skinner b/c they want a center and he would most likely start for them next season.
I would love to see the Kings sign Bonzi but I am also torn b/c I would hate to see either Kevin or Francisco pushed to the end of the bench. Also if Bonzi ends up in Sacramento, I don't see Mo Evans having much of a place here anymore.
One other big positive is that Bonzi is a nice expiring deal that could be quite valueable around the trading deadline.
Realistically I would think that we would have to part with Bobby and Skinner, so we wouldn't be getting Bonzi for free. I say Skinner b/c they want a center and he would most likely start for them next season.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Nash could run any team in the league, Bibby can't. Nash is a classic pass first PG who can also score big on you if you don't pay him the respect he deserves.thesanityannex said:
Steve Nash is a lot better than Bibby who I also rate highly but given the choice of the 2 I would take Nash in a second.
ParniValjak
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Where do I signRyle said:
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thesanityannex
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Čarolija said:
Wrong. Nash is too fast for the Kings. He would be the only one down court on a fastbreak.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I mentioned a few weeks ago that I wouldn't mind getting Bonzi. He would give us a OG that addresses our weaknesses. He plays very good D, can score inside and out, rebounds and can play both SG and SF.
Sure he is a bit of a headcase but IMHO, he is a risk that is worth taking because he addresses our weaknesses and he has an expiring contract. So if things don't work out next year his contract ($8million) comes off the books and gives you some cap space.
To get Bonzi, I am almost certain that we would need to give up Bobby and someone else. Personally, I would like to get rid of Thomas' contract but I don't think Jerry West is dumb enough to take it. Memphis will most likely need a PG since they are trying to shop JWill and Watson is a FA. They also get an expiring contract in Bobby.
Now if we could trade Bobby, Thomas and Ostertag for Bonzi and Wright I would do it in a second. Why?????? We trade 2 expiring contracts in Bobby and Tag and give them a solid player in Thomas who could be handy as they are losing Swift. We get Bonzi who addresses our need and Wright who also gives us a big man. Further more in these 2 guys we get a couple of expiring contract ($15.7 million). If things don't work out then you are getting some $16 million under tha cap or you have 2 expiring contracts of massive value when it comes to trading.
If Petie could pull this deal off he would have done very well.
EDIT: If we trade Bobby we lose back up PG. However, I wouldn't mind if we used Cisco as a back up PG to Bibby. This way we give him some playing time and Cisco is a pretty good play maker who can nail a shot and plays some D or as Bricklayer said we could just sign Jaric for MLE to be a back up PG and SG. Food for thought
Sure he is a bit of a headcase but IMHO, he is a risk that is worth taking because he addresses our weaknesses and he has an expiring contract. So if things don't work out next year his contract ($8million) comes off the books and gives you some cap space.
To get Bonzi, I am almost certain that we would need to give up Bobby and someone else. Personally, I would like to get rid of Thomas' contract but I don't think Jerry West is dumb enough to take it. Memphis will most likely need a PG since they are trying to shop JWill and Watson is a FA. They also get an expiring contract in Bobby.
Now if we could trade Bobby, Thomas and Ostertag for Bonzi and Wright I would do it in a second. Why?????? We trade 2 expiring contracts in Bobby and Tag and give them a solid player in Thomas who could be handy as they are losing Swift. We get Bonzi who addresses our need and Wright who also gives us a big man. Further more in these 2 guys we get a couple of expiring contract ($15.7 million). If things don't work out then you are getting some $16 million under tha cap or you have 2 expiring contracts of massive value when it comes to trading.
If Petie could pull this deal off he would have done very well.
EDIT: If we trade Bobby we lose back up PG. However, I wouldn't mind if we used Cisco as a back up PG to Bibby. This way we give him some playing time and Cisco is a pretty good play maker who can nail a shot and plays some D or as Bricklayer said we could just sign Jaric for MLE to be a back up PG and SG. Food for thought
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acisking
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Čarolija said:
personally i still think jason kidd is better than either of them....he can run any team with his passing and decision-making....but more importantly he destroys Nash and Bibby defensively...it seems more and more people are forgetting Kidd in all the Nash mvp madness...although Nash has received the most attention this year, people shouldn't forget that Kidd was also an MVP candidate when he turned around the Nets a few years ago (he got robbed by Duncan)....plus is there a better rebounding point gaurd or a more consistent triple-double threat in the league today
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