The Kings are gone "long live the Kings"!
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now i certianly can't say i've been a fan since the beginning since the kings came to sacramento the year i was born. and i haven't been a kings fan all that long to be honest, but the kings are my first basketball love. i've lived in the bay area my whole life, there was plenty of opportunities to be a warriors fan, but i'm not. i can't stand that team.
the kings are my team, and always will be.
sure i hate the losing. but thats just part of being a fan. i'll still wear my gear, cheer, get frustrated ( and we ALL know i get very frustrated very easily
) game in and game out because i love these kings.
it's a rough beginning, but at the end of the year we'll be like, HUH, how the heck did the kings start out so bad?!?!?!
GO KINGS!
the kings are my team, and always will be.
sure i hate the losing. but thats just part of being a fan. i'll still wear my gear, cheer, get frustrated ( and we ALL know i get very frustrated very easily
) game in and game out because i love these kings. it's a rough beginning, but at the end of the year we'll be like, HUH, how the heck did the kings start out so bad?!?!?!
GO KINGS!
There are some standards things going on here. I certainly agree that we can win 50 off a bad start. Not that we will. But that we have the raw talent to do it. But is that enough? And that of course is not what some people are talking about -- they are expecting a championship push, which is just...very unlikely.
We've been winning 50 games around here for so long that I think people forget how hard that can be and just expect it as a baseline -- that's top 25% every year.
We've been winning 50 games around here for so long that I think people forget how hard that can be and just expect it as a baseline -- that's top 25% every year.
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This team will win 50 games. How far it goes in the playoffs will depend on 1) the degree to which roles are defined, and 2) the degree to which the interior defense is improved.
As an aside, you've got to like what Abdur-Rahim is bringing to the table. It is so refreshing to see scoring from the low post.
As an aside, you've got to like what Abdur-Rahim is bringing to the table. It is so refreshing to see scoring from the low post.
I don't know why anyone would panic, as new as this team is, I had no expectations going into this season. Most of you should have realized the Kings were on the downfall before last year, but you didn't I guess.
The only real issue I have is that Peja is gone. I'm like a bad game or two from proclaiming him over with. The truth is, he hasn't been an all-star since Vlade left and if Vlade was that big a crutch for him then I don't know what to say about our big free agent. Bibby is in a slump, Peja is just plain as hell not the same player or the player he was expected to be.
The only real issue I have is that Peja is gone. I'm like a bad game or two from proclaiming him over with. The truth is, he hasn't been an all-star since Vlade left and if Vlade was that big a crutch for him then I don't know what to say about our big free agent. Bibby is in a slump, Peja is just plain as hell not the same player or the player he was expected to be.
The man speaks the truth.
Kings of Vlade, Webber and Christie era was one of the truly unique teams. The sort of team that comes along once in a life time. The team had a touch of greatness about it and a unique style that just had to be noticed. For a number of reasons that team never got what they all strived for. One of the heartbreaks of being a sports fan.
For people to compare any team to those Kings is unfair, not only to these current Kings but to those Kings of the "golden era". Those boys were like brothers. They only had to look at each other and each one of the knew what the other was thinking. It was a team in every sense of the word. They had unbeleiveable heart. A heart of pharlap. They had bucketloads of leadership and ton of talent and potential.
Kings might go on and win the ever elusive title but it will be a LONG LONG time (maybe even never) until they have the sort of team that the Kings were. There were so many intangibles that were worth their weight in gold. Things that just build the culture of the franchise.
The team that we have now has a lot of talent on it. Its a very good roster but not a very good team at the moment. There are a lot of good pieces but this team is not built like a championship team. However, what this team is now is a roster with a fair bit of talent that is only one major trade away from being a legitimate contender. What Petrie did was assemble some talent. Some bargaining chips that he can use of the opportunity presents itself to turn this team into a true contender.
Even this current roster is not playing to its full potential.
Kings of Vlade, Webber and Christie era was one of the truly unique teams. The sort of team that comes along once in a life time. The team had a touch of greatness about it and a unique style that just had to be noticed. For a number of reasons that team never got what they all strived for. One of the heartbreaks of being a sports fan.
For people to compare any team to those Kings is unfair, not only to these current Kings but to those Kings of the "golden era". Those boys were like brothers. They only had to look at each other and each one of the knew what the other was thinking. It was a team in every sense of the word. They had unbeleiveable heart. A heart of pharlap. They had bucketloads of leadership and ton of talent and potential.
Kings might go on and win the ever elusive title but it will be a LONG LONG time (maybe even never) until they have the sort of team that the Kings were. There were so many intangibles that were worth their weight in gold. Things that just build the culture of the franchise.
The team that we have now has a lot of talent on it. Its a very good roster but not a very good team at the moment. There are a lot of good pieces but this team is not built like a championship team. However, what this team is now is a roster with a fair bit of talent that is only one major trade away from being a legitimate contender. What Petrie did was assemble some talent. Some bargaining chips that he can use of the opportunity presents itself to turn this team into a true contender.
Even this current roster is not playing to its full potential.
This guys can play much better and I believe they will.We must face with the fact that this team isn't so good like it was a few years ago,but this team is still good enough to beat NO Hornets I am sure!I think they need to built chemistry and play much harder.After all,they have to deserve support of the best fans in the NBA!
There is a bit of a thread emerging on this board. Lose and the sky is falling in. Win and no one is fit enough to tie our shoe laces
Thats OK. As fans we are passionate one way or another but we all have one thing in common. We love the Sacramento Kings. This team has not reached its potential yet and when they do they are VERY capable of winning 50 games in regular season. When this team clicks they will be a team thats really fun to watch. A deep team that is possibly only one move away from being a legitimate force to be reckoned with.
Thats OK. As fans we are passionate one way or another but we all have one thing in common. We love the Sacramento Kings. This team has not reached its potential yet and when they do they are VERY capable of winning 50 games in regular season. When this team clicks they will be a team thats really fun to watch. A deep team that is possibly only one move away from being a legitimate force to be reckoned with.
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People don't realize that last year's 0-3 start was against the Texas teams obviously it was okay cause we still had guys like Bibby Peja and the others contributeing but the thing this year is we're losing and we aren't contributeing and we look more lost then we did last year's 0-3 start. I don't know how/when we will gel but if we wanna win the Pacific division we have to get going after 15-20 games so there is obviously enough time.
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Carolija, don't you think you are romanticizing just a tad? The team with Webber, Vlade, and Christie comes along "once in a lifetime"? That is hilarious. Remind me again, how many championships did that team win?
And Peja a prima donna? Peja's problem is that he is the exact opposite of a prima donna -- he has NO attitude or swagger.
And Peja a prima donna? Peja's problem is that he is the exact opposite of a prima donna -- he has NO attitude or swagger.
No I don't because the those Kings had something special. They had chemistry that was the envy of every other franchise in the NBA. They played the game the way it should be played. They played the game hard but with a lot of flair. They never won a championship but IMHO that is one of the greatest injustices in the world of sport. They were a fun team to watch. They played defence, they scored big and they were VERY unselfish. There was just that spark about that team that you don't see in many others. I would rather watch the Kings of those "good enough but never quite got there" years than a championship Detroit team of a couple of seasons back.
Yes Pedja is prima donna. If he is not looked after like a 3 year old kid, he gets his knickers in a knot. Don't you think he was was prima donna like last year. Well, if things are not going the way I want them, I will just stink it up. The reason thats not evident before last season is because the team had great chemistry back them and if Pedja stepped out of line, there was Vlade to give him a brotherly talk that Pedja took for gospel. Pedja is much more of a prima donna than you realise.
Yes Pedja is prima donna. If he is not looked after like a 3 year old kid, he gets his knickers in a knot. Don't you think he was was prima donna like last year. Well, if things are not going the way I want them, I will just stink it up. The reason thats not evident before last season is because the team had great chemistry back them and if Pedja stepped out of line, there was Vlade to give him a brotherly talk that Pedja took for gospel. Pedja is much more of a prima donna than you realise.
GoGoGadget said:
Its too soon.
For panic. For blind optimism. For blame. For "solutions." All of it. Too damn soon.
And, that's okay.
It's game 2 of the season. The team (for those of you who still want to claim surprise at the fact that we're "rebuilding" has been completely blown apart and put back together since Vlade's departure. Its understandable for people, including the coaching staff, to be somewhat perplexed as to where we will go to find success. Its understandable for the team themselves to need some time to figure out what they each need to do to win as a team.
To assume after two games, TWO games, that the team sucks and always will is every bit as foolish as to so quickly proclaim that the team will get back on track and win it all this year.
Let's everyone take our chill pills and give it... oh, I dunno... a week before switching to the cyanide capsules.
The team sucked royally last night. They improved this evening. Mike shot like hell both games. Doesn't mean he suddenly forgot how to do it. Neither did Peja. They'll get back on track. Things will even out, calm down, settle in. Then, if we need to, we can start mourning the franchise that was. Or, perhaps we'll be celebrating a nice little basketball team that can still make us proud once in a while.
For panic. For blind optimism. For blame. For "solutions." All of it. Too damn soon.
And, that's okay.
It's game 2 of the season. The team (for those of you who still want to claim surprise at the fact that we're "rebuilding"
has been completely blown apart and put back together since Vlade's departure. Its understandable for people, including the coaching staff, to be somewhat perplexed as to where we will go to find success. Its understandable for the team themselves to need some time to figure out what they each need to do to win as a team. To assume after two games, TWO games, that the team sucks and always will is every bit as foolish as to so quickly proclaim that the team will get back on track and win it all this year.
Let's everyone take our chill pills and give it... oh, I dunno... a week before switching to the cyanide capsules.
The team sucked royally last night. They improved this evening. Mike shot like hell both games. Doesn't mean he suddenly forgot how to do it. Neither did Peja. They'll get back on track. Things will even out, calm down, settle in. Then, if we need to, we can start mourning the franchise that was. Or, perhaps we'll be celebrating a nice little basketball team that can still make us proud once in a while.
Well...Glad to see alot of responses. No , I am not a hater, quite the opposite.
My thanks to VF for changing the name of the title. No really, I was a little worried about how that would sonnd after I wrote it.
I have read the entire thread as of now, and I see alot of constructive ideas out there. I think differing opinions are what make the world go 'round.
I'm sure that nobody here is ready to jump off of the "Band Wagon" but how many would still be here with me after three or four years of sub 30 win seasons...And believe me , I will still be watching and hoping.
Hoping that it doesn't end up that way. But just in case it does......Please Maloofs give us another hero ala Mitch who got us through those lean years!!
Sorry if I offended anyone.
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My thanks to VF for changing the name of the title. No really, I was a little worried about how that would sonnd after I wrote it.
I have read the entire thread as of now, and I see alot of constructive ideas out there. I think differing opinions are what make the world go 'round.
I'm sure that nobody here is ready to jump off of the "Band Wagon" but how many would still be here with me after three or four years of sub 30 win seasons...And believe me , I will still be watching and hoping.
Hoping that it doesn't end up that way. But just in case it does......Please Maloofs give us another hero ala Mitch who got us through those lean years!!
Sorry if I offended anyone.
KD///
Yup, a slow... ok pathetic start is not indicitive of much. Lot's of factors at play here and every single move or quick fix suggestion is just lazy thinking. Having two new members in the starting line up is only one factor, and the fact that the other 3 players (and coaches) are not used to havig the low post presence they bring in the offense is yet another. Add in Bibby in an unchariteristic shooting slump, general lack of leadership on the floor and a bench with a whole host of it's own kinks to work out and it makes for bumpy road. BUT this team has lots of tallent and experience so pardon me if I don't join in the dooms day parade and boycot threads demading the team fire Adelman, trade starters or "play" make radical changes in line up. It's a complex game and a long season so I'd advise the impatient younen's to sit tight and chill.
I didn't read the whole original post. This is a jump off the ship, commit harry carey thread. It's been 2 games folks. The ball movement was excellent last night. I was impressed. Bonzi and Shareef are playing very well. Miller is playing well. The bench needs to get into a groove. If Peja and Bibby play like they normally do we win that game. The first game was a fluke. It was day and night between game 1 and game 2.
And on the topic of Vlade vs. Miller. Vlade was not athletic. Miller is not athletic. Miller is tougher than Vlade ever was. He can pass well. He was a good passer, but the rest of that team made him look great. Remember the Valde flope?? Yeah...weak. The one thing vlade had that Miller doesn't was more of a back to the board game. That's because Vlade was a true center, Miller is a true power forward. If only Skinner was 2 to 3 inches taller. He would be our starting center.
And on the topic of Vlade vs. Miller. Vlade was not athletic. Miller is not athletic. Miller is tougher than Vlade ever was. He can pass well. He was a good passer, but the rest of that team made him look great. Remember the Valde flope?? Yeah...weak. The one thing vlade had that Miller doesn't was more of a back to the board game. That's because Vlade was a true center, Miller is a true power forward. If only Skinner was 2 to 3 inches taller. He would be our starting center.
Coach... you're in for a lot of Disapointment. Just like last year after the trade deadline, just like last year in the playoffs, just like the first game of the year where we got blown out by arguably the worst team in the NBA. A lot of the new people around here just do not seem get what kind of players Doug, Bobby, Chris and Vlade were. They made their teamates better in ways that was almost imeasurable, and Coach Adelman, Carril, and Wetzel, cultivated that talent into a team that was greater than the sum of it's parts. Brad miller gives it his all and is a very talented player but he hasn't shown me 1/10th of the leadership and steady guidance that Vlade displayed. I'm starting to think I was wrong about Bibby too. Yes it's just pre-season and 2 games this year, but he has been off since the last part of last season and the playoffs. It was a testament to C-Webb and Doug that they were able to hold this team at the top of the league offensively even after Vlade was gone and Peja decided to pout. Just like it was a teastament to Vlade what he was able to do when Webb was out. But Brad, Peja and Bibby... even with these guys still here +the new guys I just don't t see anybody that can carry this team when they are down(ala Webber,Bobby) or pull the team together and make them better night in and night out than they actually were(ala Vlade,Doug). I haven't jumped out of my seat, and screamed my head off for a play this team has made in far to long. Something is definately missing right now. Maybe it's that little something that makes Vlade a hell of a lot more important player than Brad Miller has ever been able to be yet. Maybe one of are big 3 can still step up and move this team in the right direction, but I don't see anything so far this season, or since Petrie gutted this team that points to it happening, especially when you look at that abomination against Seattle last year. They have to come out with some fire against the Suns, Mike has to have a great game, Peja hast to have a great game, our bench has to play like they actually belong in the NBA. If they don't break 90 again we are in trouble.
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KP, I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Exactly how will I be disappointed?
And by the way, I may be a "new" person around here, but up until this year, I had been a season ticket holder since 1985-86. So I hardly need a history lesson, thanks.
You and others are romanticizing the past far too much. Yes, the teams of a couple years back were very good. In fact, the year we lost to the Lakers in Game 7, I thought we had the best team in basketball. But, bottom line, those Kings teams didn't win squat. We weren't even good enough to be a Buffalo Bills type franchise, as we never even made the Finals.
I'm baffled why so many people are crying about how this current team is not like past teams. The main difference between the two teams is that the "Vlade/Webber" era was especially exciting because we were suddenly a legitimate team. Expectations are higher now, so this team gets a short leash by far too many.
Those Kings teams won 50+ games, and this one will too. KP, I hope you won't be disappointed when that happens.
And by the way, I may be a "new" person around here, but up until this year, I had been a season ticket holder since 1985-86. So I hardly need a history lesson, thanks.
You and others are romanticizing the past far too much. Yes, the teams of a couple years back were very good. In fact, the year we lost to the Lakers in Game 7, I thought we had the best team in basketball. But, bottom line, those Kings teams didn't win squat. We weren't even good enough to be a Buffalo Bills type franchise, as we never even made the Finals.
I'm baffled why so many people are crying about how this current team is not like past teams. The main difference between the two teams is that the "Vlade/Webber" era was especially exciting because we were suddenly a legitimate team. Expectations are higher now, so this team gets a short leash by far too many.
Those Kings teams won 50+ games, and this one will too. KP, I hope you won't be disappointed when that happens.