Shared by many of the same people who thought Chuck Hayes would make the team better and who now think Carl Landry will make the team better. Methinks those same people need to start listening to different people.
Shared by many of the same people who thought Chuck Hayes would make the team better and who now think Carl Landry will make the team better. Methinks those same people need to start listening to different people.
Tyreke has had an extremely rough first 5 games as well.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Better than Tyreke? I really wanted Tyreke to have the benefit of an NBA quality coach and see what happens. Ah, well. It's not worth a debate but I sincerely think we took a step backward in the off season. That includes the addition of Landry which I think was a waste of money better spent elsewhere.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I was merely saying what I thought at the time. I have no ability to see the future.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Sounds useful and if we thought the team would suck bad enough to get us a decent shot at a top 5 pick, we have Tyreke's replacement right there. There is no question that Tyreke is an awkward fit on a standard NBA team. He is just an extraordinary athlete and like Gerald Wallace, sometimes athletes are useful.
Bosnian Diehard
Starter
The thing about this is draft is its' crazy depth. You have Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart, Harrison twins, etc. and a variety of positions too.
And I still think he will, provided we can find someone/something to play at the 3. The idea of GV, Ben, (player to be named), (rebounder/shot blocker to be named), Cousins is very appealing to me.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
i found it hilarious that there are a few people today on a different forum i'm on (Not a Kings related forum) that are gushing over the Kings having the possibility of a Wiggins/Cousins/McLemore lineup next year. a few said they would buy league pass to watch the team play lol
Dime Dropper
All-Star
To be honest, and I know the season has barely started, but I wouldn't be surprised if Randle and Parker both go ahead of Wiggins... Maybe even one or two others as well.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I have not paid any attention to individuals but accept the idea this draft class is one of the best ever. This note makes it all the more interesting in that all I hear about is Wiggins, Wiggins, Wiggins. A top 5 pick looks good, eh? Hard to go wrong.
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Cold
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It's deep but it's not that deep. Need at least a top 6 pick the way this class is looking. Preferably a top 3 pick for a shot at Wiggins, Parker, Randle. Those 3 will be stars in this league. As the year goes on, perhaps some others will join the elite group and the order shuffles a bit, but right now a top 3 pick makes me feel a lot better about this franchise turning around.
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I guarantee by February and March, fans will look back at these early season wins (not that there are many) and see how foolish and devastating each win was.
Could be the difference between Wiggins/Parker/Randle and tier 2.
Will bump for the LULs.
Could be the difference between Wiggins/Parker/Randle and tier 2.
Will bump for the LULs.
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Dime Dropper
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Preferably top 6, yes, but there's quite a few good prospects even outside of that. Lets just assume the top 6 are Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Exum, Smart and Andrew Harrison. That still leaves guys like Gordon, Embiid, Harrell, Selden, Hezonja, Willy Cauley-Stein, the other Harrison, James Young. Not all of them will be stars, but most will be quite good, and I'd put money on at least one of them turning into an all-star. I'm even leaving out a few big prospects there.
I can't wait to see how Smart does this year. He has a lot of competition for top PG in the draft, but if he has improved his shot then he could be the first PG off the board. I really like him - big, physically punishing PG who will be an excellent defender from day one.
Interesting to note that some scouts aren't very high on Wiggins, and some who have seen Kansas practices have said he hasn't been in their top 3 or 4 players anytime that they've practiced. I tend to think he'll change their minds as the season goes on, but it's very possible that he'll slide down the draft board a little, especially if reports about his propensity to coast and take plays off is true.
I can't wait to see how Smart does this year. He has a lot of competition for top PG in the draft, but if he has improved his shot then he could be the first PG off the board. I really like him - big, physically punishing PG who will be an excellent defender from day one.
Interesting to note that some scouts aren't very high on Wiggins, and some who have seen Kansas practices have said he hasn't been in their top 3 or 4 players anytime that they've practiced. I tend to think he'll change their minds as the season goes on, but it's very possible that he'll slide down the draft board a little, especially if reports about his propensity to coast and take plays off is true.
randymoss1881
Starter
There's no doubt in my mind that parker will be the better player. He plays team ball with a extremely high IQ and can score from anywhere. Also his athletisicm is underrated cause if his injury last year, parker can also slide over and play the 4 with no problem dude is 6'8 240 our small line up would be deadly
Sluggah
All-Star
my only two comments for all the tanking talk in all the threads...
1. We won't get the first pick no matter how awful our record is. We're the Sacramento Kings. The odds are never in our favor. Just be happy that we're STILL the Sacramento Kings. I'm okay with that being the only luck we ever have. (Though I must say it wasn't really much luck at all, it was the hard work of many many people.)
2. We don't have to tank. We're bad. No one needs to purposely try. It'll happen regardless. The real question is HOW we want to be bad. My vote is for playing the kids. Build goodwill with those potentially in our future. It'll be more satisfying to watch and more rewarding for all involved. And who knows...maybe they'll pull a 76’ers and shock all of us.
1. We won't get the first pick no matter how awful our record is. We're the Sacramento Kings. The odds are never in our favor. Just be happy that we're STILL the Sacramento Kings. I'm okay with that being the only luck we ever have. (Though I must say it wasn't really much luck at all, it was the hard work of many many people.)
2. We don't have to tank. We're bad. No one needs to purposely try. It'll happen regardless. The real question is HOW we want to be bad. My vote is for playing the kids. Build goodwill with those potentially in our future. It'll be more satisfying to watch and more rewarding for all involved. And who knows...maybe they'll pull a 76’ers and shock all of us.
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Jabari Parker would be so perfect for this roster. can score in a plethora of ways but does it within team flow. Nice passer too. Parker is already better than Harrison Barnes.
Bosnian Diehard
Starter
From this draft class, I think Jabari parker or marcus Smart would be best for us (Smart would be good assuming we offload some guards by next year). Parker because he can score in so many different ways, similar to Carmelo, is a competitor, very good size for a SF, superstar potential. Smart is a combo guard, has a lot of effort, good defender, good court vision/creativity, good/textbook shot.
Padrino
All-Star
i continue to refer to the sign-and-trade of tyreke evans for greivis vasquez as a talent bleed. the jury's still out on whether or not vasquez will "make the team better," and i'm willing to give him time to find his role in a starting unit that's apparently about to undergo a bit of upheaval, but again, it's only a role he would fill. he's very clearly a roleplayer-level talent; his defensive weaknesses are well-documented, and he's not an impact talent with evans' physical gifts, two-way skillset, and upside (all of which are unfortunately being wasted in yet another overcrowded, albeit considerably more talented, backcourt in NO)...
yes, popular opinion was generally positive regarding the evans/vasquez swap, but then again, popular opinion is always much more hopeful than i've ever been about the kings' chances of turning the corner anytime soon. somehow, a great many kf.com members are actually surprised that the kings are playing so poorly this season, despite the fact that they're still desperate for defensively-oriented personnel, and are completely absent a single talent that would qualify as a legitimate second option. outside of demarcus cousins, this team can't get to the rim. outside of demarcus cousins, they can't even consistently rebound the ball...
there is simply no immediate hope for a team that's tremendously weak on the defensive side of the ball, unable to win the rebound battle, and unable to score at the rim with any amount of regularity. tyreke evans provided lift in each of those problem areas for this team, and while it remains to be seen how far evans will manage to grow his talent in this league, a great many kings fans are discovering, in real time, what happens when you lose such a versatile impact player and legitimate second option...
Chubbs
Starter
I am not at all surprised. Can't recall my official win prediction. It was 28-32 if all goes about normal, but there was certainly a chance with a couple injuries they dip to low 20 wins. The roster has that potential. Maybe Landry was the injury that set us on a collision course with 22 wins or so.
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storisaurus
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Wiggins and Parker, the two highly touted freshman, will face off against one another tonight on ESPN. Both are supposedly going to be NBA stars. We'll see...
A long time ago, we used to comment about Petrie's ability to trade away players right before they had significant talent drops or injuries. Looking at Tyreke thus far this year, I cannot help but be reminded of that. (And no, I'm not saying PDA or anyone else knew Evans would be having ankle problems again.) But the truth is there. Nobody is benefiting from Evans' versatility and status as a legitimate second option right now.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Hate to say it (not really) but back a couple years I suggested foot problems could be a chronic problem. That's not exactly the same thing but one year it seemed like anything that could go wrong with his feet or ankles happened. I doubt if PDA factored that in but there was a risk whether PDA knew it or not.
Padrino
All-Star
"the truth" is also a liquid notion. are tyreke evans' ankles presenting a problem to his level of play? it's entirely possible. might it also have something to do with the fact that, as was the case for evans with the kings, new orleans features a crowded backcourt where evans' skills are less likely to shine? that's entirely possible, as well. if we're meant to give vasquez a shot to prove he belongs in sacramento, then certainly evans deserves more than seven games to adjust to a new city, a new team, and a new role...
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Couple that with his large contract to simply be the second guy off the bench (Ryan Anderson being their eventual 6th man), and NO fans are justifiably angry with their management team (when they aren't gushing about Anthony Davis), especially when Monty Williams is sticking such luminaries as Anthony Morrow and Brian Roberts into the game ahead of him.
I absolutely love Tyreke's talent and potential but things couldn't have possibly gone worse for his move to the Pelicans.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Never give a guy coming off the bench a contract that big. Save the big contracts for a select few and try to get the rest at a salary as low as possible. I don't have a clue what they were thinking. He didn't have to sign and his agent failed him.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Heads up for those that don't already know - Kentucky are about to play Michigan State. At least five or six first round draft prospects in this game, including possibly three or four who could be very, very high picks (Randle, James Young, Gary Harris, Andrew Harrison (and his brother Aaron), Poythress, Cauley-Stein).
That's followed by Duke vs. Kansas, a game that is stacked with even more talent (including Wiggins and Parker).
Most people know, but just an additional heads up.
That's followed by Duke vs. Kansas, a game that is stacked with even more talent (including Wiggins and Parker).
Most people know, but just an additional heads up.
I'm not saying there aren't reasons, I'm just pointing out the fact that at this moment in time it actually looks as though we got the best of the deal for the simple reason Vasquez is playing and Evans isn't.
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