Actually my question wasn't, "What if we luck into Wiggins, or Parker, or Smart, and they bust?" My question was, "What if we don't luck into Wiggins, or Parker, or Smart, and this draft isn't actually as "deep" as people think it is?"
Glenn
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We didn't resign Tyreke and replaced him with a tall PG of limited abilities. GV is certainly limited compared to Tyreke. I would have loved to see what Malone would have done with Reke. Reke wasn't worth the money to find out, I guess.
Perhaps that's part of a tank. I am still shaking my head about the off season moves as they didn't improve our team.
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well that doesn't appear to be a very relevant question to the future success of the sacramento kings, nor does it really seem like anything other than the devil's advocate position. and, given the kings' recent draft history, i'd wager that they're more likely to miss out on a potential impact player that lives up to the hype than they are to dodge a bullet, so to speak, by missing out on or passing on a potential impact player that busts. they passed on andre drummond, who, as it turns out, is almost exactly the kind of defensive anchor this team has needed for about a decade now. they passed on kawhi leonard, who would go a long way towards helping to solve the team's defensive weaknesses out on the wing, as well as answer their neverending question mark at the SF position. they passed on michael carter-williams, who is making an immediate impact in philly. i'd rather take my chances on wiggins or parker or smart than a revolving door of sub-par veterans for the next five years, as the previous regime had done for the previous five years...
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I strongly rather have a Wiggins/Randle/Jabari/Smart/Exum along with their bust potential and along with their franchise-changing potential than the same old crap year in and year out.
It's like saying: "I could give you a pay raise, but a pay raise comes with the potential of you buying useless crap with that money and you will end up with nothing useful at the end. Still want it?"
YES, PLEASE!
WTF... the thinking of some of you. Acting like a top pick in this ridiculously talented draft is a disease you don't want.
It's like saying: "I could give you a pay raise, but a pay raise comes with the potential of you buying useless crap with that money and you will end up with nothing useful at the end. Still want it?"
YES, PLEASE!
WTF... the thinking of some of you. Acting like a top pick in this ridiculously talented draft is a disease you don't want.
We'd all love to have those guys on the team. The point is that even if you could guarantee getting in a position to draft one, which you can't, there isn't really a clear way for the team we have right now to position ourselves to be that bad. We're not bad enough (probably) to get there with the team we have and there aren't a lot of options that focus on development to get there.
For the last time, tanking is done purposefully and requires roster moves to get there. We didn't do it. Maybe we can find a way to unload our veterans to pick up prospects but even then having a player like Cousins probably means we won't be bad enough to finish in the bottom 4-5 teams.
That's even worse: I'd rather be the team who drafts Oden, and it doesn't work out, than the team who passes on Chris Paul to take Marvin Williams. But, yeah, missing out on a stud in a "can't miss" draft, to get the next Jimmer Fredette or Thomas Robinson would be a total Kings thing to do.
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We are not the Brooklyn Nets or Miami Heat, with stars up and down the roster. We are BAD. We don't need to spend a year mapping a proper tank roster.
We already have the perfect tank roster! We suck!
What? When did I suggest we were good. My only point is that we aren't bad enough and don't have a clear path to get bad enough THIS SEASON. Honestly, I'm not sure what about the tanking process you're not getting.
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Phoenix is 3-0. Philly is 3-1. The tank kings (them, not us) are trying to hand Wiggins to us.
And Kings fans are saying Wiggins could bust so no thanks.
And Kings fans are saying Wiggins could bust so no thanks.
This was his actual point, but don't let the facts get in the way of your rant:
Actually my question wasn't, "What if we luck into Wiggins, or Parker, or Smart, and they bust?" My question was, "What if we don't luck into Wiggins, or Parker, or Smart, and this draft isn't actually as "deep" as people think it is?"
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There are things you have control over, such as positioning yourself to draft the best available player.
And then there are things you have no control over, such as this ridiculously talented draft churning out Candy Men (in case you're scratching your head, I'm talking about Michael Olowokandi, the number 1 pick whose nickname was Candy Man).
And then there are things you have no control over, such as this ridiculously talented draft churning out Candy Men (in case you're scratching your head, I'm talking about Michael Olowokandi, the number 1 pick whose nickname was Candy Man).
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Oh good. Condescending commentary...
You're dealing with fans with some pretty high BB IQs. You might want to watch out. Falling from that high horse could be dangerous.
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I will watch out.
I know what you're trying to ask. I thought it was a stupid question. At least the top part of your question. I was answering the 2nd part of your question.
You're anti-tanking. Fine. No need for personal attacks.
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Why do you keep asking this question repeatedly? "What if we don't luck into Wiggins, or Parker, or Smart?"
WTH? At least 2 gentlemen already gave replies to that question above. Scroll up! Jesus Christ.
WTH? At least 2 gentlemen already gave replies to that question above. Scroll up! Jesus Christ.
My comment was in reference to your explanation of "Candy Man," something pretty much everyone who has followed basketball is well aware of.
And I'm not the one having the exchange with you over the potential number of successful players in the upcoming draft. That's sdballer.
Actually I'm not having that conversation with him either. He's so wrapped up in creating arguments he's lost who he's arguing with.
He made a blanket statement that "fans" didn't want a high pick and I merely posted the response from slim clarifying his point.
Glenn
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I think I've got a headache.
That got me, too. Acck!!!
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Not sure what knowing who Candy Man is has to do with BB IQ.
Not everyone is as old as we are or has followed the NBA as long as we have.
I wasn't trying to insult anyone's "BBIQ" with that Candy Men reference. Sorry if it came off that way.
Not everyone is as old as we are or has followed the NBA as long as we have.
I wasn't trying to insult anyone's "BBIQ" with that Candy Men reference. Sorry if it came off that way.
No worries on my end. Sadly I'm old enough to remember the candy man in all his glory.
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I think I've got a headache.
I picked the wrong week to stop drinking.
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LOL my bad for causing you guys headaches. I got different posters mixed up up there. I'm very bad with names in real life and in forums.
blackice
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We have been bad in some pretty good drafts with franchise changing players at the top. Unfortunately for the Kings, they never cracked the top 3 where usually you get bigger impact players than being in the top 5. That doesn't go to say you can't find any...if history has any say, the Kings just don't have much luck when it comes to the NBA lottery system. That being said, I'm all in for getting a lottery pick in this draft and that is more than likely going to happen. However, the possibility of that pick being out of the top 5 is what seems to be realistic at this point.
randymoss1881
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Watching this duke game and I would lose every game for jabri parker not wiggins. This kid is a monster wiggins might have athletisicm but jabri skills are off the chart. He looks like a bigger paul peirce
Chubbs
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Got to be honest, this team is borderline unwatchable right now.
You're seeing it right now. Pretty much any five guys on this team will not win games.
Chubbs
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But if 90% of the players will be gone in two seasons? That'll clean it up. I think that's the only thing.
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Chubbs
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It's already been done by making no moves of any importance this offseason. Except losing reke.
Disagree. I'll say it again, just because you're a bad team, doesn't mean that you're tanking. Tanking requires intent and forethought. Not only do I not believe that either of those things applies to the Kings, I believe that D'Alessandro actively tried to put together a team that he thought could compete this season, and failed. He tried to get a big man, nobody wanted to come. He tried to sign Iguodala; whether Iguodala was serious about signing or was just using us as leverage is irrelevant to the point. He tried to move our crap for real players, nobody was biting. That's the opposite of tanking.
You know what I think would really be funny about all of this tanking nonsense? If these kids decided to buck the trend and stay an extra year in college, just to see all of the heads explode.
You know what I think would really be funny about all of this tanking nonsense? If these kids decided to buck the trend and stay an extra year in college, just to see all of the heads explode.
As I recall when the trade happened, there were few people who thought that Vasquez was "minimal compensation" for Evans. The popular opinion, IIRC, was that Vasquez would make the team better.
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