I get where you’re going with this, but shouldn’t you wait to see who Boston drafts with our pick this year? Come back in a year and this thread has the makings of the ultimate Kangz victory dance before the game is done."worst in NBA history" is a trade that neither gained nor lost anything of consequence for either team. ok
Vlade said he would have drafted fox if he had #1 so he would have at #3By that same logic, if we didn’t have that pick swap to drop to #5, we could of drafted Fultz (consensus #1), Jackson or Ball at #3 instead of Fox, because they were the ones higher on most mock drafts.
This post is the type of truth that many people don't wanna stare directly in the eye.Since it seems that anything positive under Vlades watch is attributed to “luck,” can we say that the moves that didn’t work out were simply “unlucky?”![]()
I think this is probably a generous musing on your part. Had the team made this type of trade now, with the current front office competency, perhaps they might have enough foresight on draft classes; however, really hard to imagine at the time of the trade. I understand Vlade’s objective at the time, and I don’t disagree. They needed to do whatever possible to move a cousins led team forward to (1) convince DMC that he should resign in sac and (2) figure out if a competitive team could be built around him so they could decide if he was worth the max contract. It was a swing at changing the culture fast to be on the same timeline as the critical DMC decisions. However, with all that said, I think if the current front office was in place at the time, there is no way they agree to the trade as it was acually constituted. Either the swap or the pick would have to come out of the deal to be on par with market value at the time for dumping bad contracts.This is probably not the strongest draft either, and the Kings could've been aware of this years ahead of time, I had this feeling a while back.... '17 and '18 will prove to be better, and then '20, '21 look extremely strong at this point..
That’s an alternative universe that you never can know. Do we pick fox at 3? Do we trade up with Boston? Do the draft odds change in a way that we never jump up to begin with and pick Mitchelll or blow the mid lottery pick on monk?The biggest bit of luck was Philly injuries during the pick swap year. We would have lost our shot at Fox had Embiid and Ben Simmons been healthy.
Vlade said he would have drafted fox if he had #1 so he would have at #3![]()
IDK mang, I kind of feel its insulting that people don't wanna admit Vlade had his ducks in a row... the dust has settled, it's pretty clear his vision is coming to fruition..I think this is probably a generous musing on your part. Had the team made this type of trade now, with the current front office competency, perhaps they might have enough foresight on draft classes; however, really hard to imagine at the time of the trade. I understand Vlade’s objective at the time, and I don’t disagree. They needed to do whatever possible to move a cousins led team forward to (1) convince DMC that he should resign in sac and (2) figure out if a competitive team could be built around him so they could decide if he was worth the max contract. It was a swing at changing the culture fast to be on the same timeline as the critical DMC decisions. However, with all that said, I think if the current front office was in place at the time, there is no way they agree to the trade as it was acually constituted. Either the swap or the pick would have to come out of the deal to be on par with market value at the time for dumping bad contracts.
this is a great post and deserves a thousand likes.Can it be somewhere in between wash and the worst trade ever?
At the time of the trade Kings were going nowhere with quite bad internal situation and bad contracts.
He did not trade 7th pick, he traded Nick Stauskas.
Trade allowed Vlade to hit for the quick fix.
He missed.
Price: This year first round pick in the middle. This makes that trade not being wash, first pick has value.
Note: if fix worked, ir would be top 10 protected pick alreasy used.
Luck involved, yes, but at the level of coin flips not buying lottery ticket.
If you think that the above is the worst trade ever (or even close), your problem.
He used very similar approach with Cuz trade (I hated it at a time but not for basketbal reasons), anybody wants to fight that one?
In short, several times Vlade has shown that he is not afraid of risk (moderate gamble), lost some battles, won some battles but what matters is that it looks that he is winning a war.
...The only reason results-oriented thinkers are bringing this up now to defend Vlade is because we randomly took a massive leap as a team that nobody could have (or really should have) predicted as a team.
"You know, I think I'm going to put my life-savings into buying lotto tickets tomorrow and hope it works out."
So if I happen to win, does that make it a good decision?
The trade is still the worst in NBA history. We traded the 7th overall pick after 1 season, 2 consecutive 1st round pick swaps (one of which cost us draft capital) and an unprotected 1st round pick.... for nothing. It was a trash decision, remains a trash decision and will always be a trash decision no matter where this pick turns up. The only reason results-oriented thinkers are bringing this up now to defend Vlade is because we randomly took a massive leap as a team that nobody could have (or really should have) predicted as a team.
Vlade has a history of going against the consensus pick so you never really know ie doncic. The main point was who we got out of the draft shouldn't always determine if it was a good or bad trade. So many things could happen that changes the outcome. There's the butterfly effect. Maybe we get Tatum and Mitchell, maybe we get fultz and another bust. Still doesn't change the fact at face value it was a bad trade.That's what all the GMs would say about their pick.
But, had their not been a pick swap, there is a really good chance that we may have would up with Fultz or Ball.
If Boston would had stayed at #1, they take Tatum. Lakers seemed enamored with Lonzo Ball at #2. If Fultz was sitting there at #3, there is a really good chance the Kings may have been tempted to take him.
I'm not saying we would have, but could you imagine back then, if we got Fultz at #3, everyone would be saying we got the steal of the draft.
Well, thank goodness for that pick swap, because we picked comfortably at #5 and got the best player in the draft!![]()
I'm not so sure about that. I believe Vlade when he said he'd take De'Aaron #1. I know I certainly would have and said so.
Disagree, GMs say that about every player they take Jackson was rated higher at the time and I don’t think it was debatable. Also Jackson worked out for us and we were linked to him
same people will say "Vlade got lucky to move up to 3", then say "see the swap cost us just like I knew/feared it would", then say "well it SHOULD have cost us anyway, just got lucky"
By any objective non-hysterical standard - the trade was a benign wash ... a swing and a miss as far as the Wes Matthews plan but so so very far from a disaster...
Trade was bad. Luck helped turn the bad trade into a situation where we didn't get screwed. What you don't mention is that pick swap could have cost us fox. If he had a stellar workout and someone in the top 4 drafted him we could have ended up with fultz jackson or ball.
Vlade has a history of going against the consensus pick so you never really know ie doncic. The main point was who we got out of the draft shouldn't always determine if it was a good or bad trade. So many things could happen that changes the outcome. There's the butterfly effect. Maybe we get Tatum and Mitchell, maybe we get fultz and another bust. Still doesn't change the fact at face value it was a bad trade.
BTW just wondering. Do u think it was a good trade or just playing Devils advocate?
I don’t disagree that he had a plan and went all in with it. I actually respected that at the time because at least he was trying to make something happen. However, I do think he gave up too much to make it happen.IDK mang, I kind of feel its insulting that people don't wanna admit Vlade had his ducks in a row... the dust has settled, it's pretty clear his vision is coming to fruition..
When you look at the team and the salaries/restricted contracts on paper, that is the showstopper in this conversation really.... what is the draft all about? it's about getting the lesser fortunate teams a fair shot to get a bunch of stuff THE KINGS ALREADY HAVE..... There's a glut of young bigs, the franchise PG, 2 excellent young wings... If the Kings landed the top pick in this draft it's a Joe Johnson on the Suns type of situation there's absolutely no way they could afford to keep all these players here...
Vlade put his eggs in one basket. he counted his chickens before they hatched, and he's gonna be right........ thats how it went down... the loss of the 2019 pick is a small thing to a giant. I like his style too, Vlade doesn't make half-hearted moves.
Why... why... it is what it is. It's done. We have the team we have with the picks that we have.Can we stop beating the dead horse?
Yeah.. you are right, obviously. I am so negative most of the time, it's so hard to hear other people doing it for me.No, not around here. Beating dead horses is what fan boards are all about. Your best bet, if you're not interested in a particular topic, is just to scroll on.
Yeah.. you are right, obviously. I am so negative most of the time, it's so hard to hear other people doing it for me.I am sure everyone has said their peice over and over again on this subject. It most likely is the most talked about subject in all of Kings history besides game 6. I can't wait for the pick to be in on draft day, and that player be a bust outside the lottery ofcourse.
so we can all finally move on with our fanship.