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EricDraven

EricDraven

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I got this from ProSportsDaily.com

The Sacramento Kings (fifth) are interested in trading out of their draft position.
Could that interest lead them to the Pistons and Tayshaun Prince?
The Kings need a veteran small forward, and Yahoo Sports speculates that a player such as Prince could entice them into trading the pick.
The Pistons pick seventh. By moving up two spots, the Pistons could have a better chance of securing one of the draft's big men, possibly Kentucky center DeMarcus Cousins."


Purely Speculation, I know. Although I have respect for Prince's game, is he the right fit?
 
This is just that same rumor circulated around and around. First saw it as something approaching mere speculation at the tail end of an Adrian Wojnarowski article about Favors + cousins a couple of days ago. Now the same story has spread everywhere and keeps circling back and getting amplified. My question is do all these people have sources leaking like a sieve here, or are they all just repeating and amplifying that initial speculative tidbit by Wojnarowski?
 
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If there's one thing we know from past experience, its that Petrie and the Kings FO keep everything close to the vest. I can recall very few circumstances where anyone knew in advance what the Kings were going to do via trade, or draft pick.
 
Yup...I mean, what talking head or fish wrap writer predicted Kevin Martin for Carl Landry?? Anyone predict ANY draft picks he has ever made, let alone trades?
 
I posted a link to this rumor in another thread...and I still think it's BS. The difference between the 7th pick and the 5th pick is pretty big. At 5, you've got a shot at a player who might be a real star in Cousins/Johnson...at 7 you're best hope is Monroe, who reminds me a lot of Spencer.
 
Is this trade even possible now? Considering the Kings don't have the cap room yet to take on any salary on it seems like we could get blindsided after cap room clears up. Will that happen or will we know about this right after the draft. I would hate to find out we did this trade 5 days or so after the draft.
 
Ok, I thought about it for a little while. It seems we are interested in Monroe, so we can only hope that he gets taken by Golden state then we won't have to worry about this.:D
 
Chupacabra said:
Sorry, Geoff Petrie isnt dumb enough to do something like that.
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That all depends.

Consider a scenario where he likes Cousins, but does not think he'll be there at #5. He sees the #5 guy is probably Johnson, and says that's not really what he needs. On top of that Golden State picks after us and could well draft Aminu to play center or something. So Geoff carries this deal around in his back pocket as a contingency. If Cousins is gone, and Johnson is #5 or #6, then at most we lose 1 spot in the race for one of the second tier bigs, and meanwhile we bring in a defensive captain ala the Christie move, with championship experience, and on an ending contract while shedding a longer term deal. Put that way, its not that idiotic a thing to have sitting around as a contingency.

Now on the other hand seen as a move to bail on Cousins because of red flags and/or because he plays too physical and might end up being a better post player than three point shooter, and as a way to trade down far enough that Geoff can credibly take Gordon Hayward so we can get a "skilled basketball player" in here while squishing Casspi and moving Donte up to play smallball PF, then yes, it would be idiotic.

Context could be everything. Consider what happens if we make the deal, draft Whiteside, and the rumors about us moving Cisco turn out to be accurate as well. Then 6'9" Casspi or 6'11" Donte becomes the SG, 6'10" Prince the SF, the remaining guy the 6th man, and aside from Landry as a tough little runt, we trot out the biggest/longest team in the NBA, while adding two defensive specialists (Prince, Whiteside), and quite possibly having 5 postup options in the starting lineup.
 
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sc3252 said:
Is this trade even possible now? Considering the Kings don't have the cap room yet to take on any salary on it seems like we could get blindsided after cap room clears up. Will that happen or will we know about this right after the draft. I would hate to find out we did this trade 5 days or so after the draft.
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How do you figure we don't have the caproom yet?
 
Bricklayer said:
Context could be everything. Consider what happens if we make the deal, draft Whiteside, and the rumors about us moving Cisco turn out to be accurate as well. Then 6'9" Casspi or 6'11" Donte becomes the SG, 6'10" Prince the SF, the remaining guy the 6th man, and aside from Landry as a tough little runt, we trot out the biggest/longest team in the NBA, while adding two defensive specialists (Prince, Whiteside), and quite possibly having 5 postup options in the starting lineup.
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Consider some novelty lineup of tall guys?
 
Vlade4GM said:
Consider some novelty lineup of tall guys?
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Consider the Lakers smashed the league with a "novelty lineup of tall guys" for a solid decade in the 80s. Byron Scott was 6'4", everybody else in the starting linuep was 6'9" or above, and it was devastating. Teams couldn't matchup, and they got out on the break and just played volleyball over the top of everybody's heads. They would frequently sub in Cooper first for Scott and go 6'7" 6'9" 6'9" 6'9" 7'2" for spells.

Suggesting we draft a 6'9" or 6'11" guy and try him out as a SG would be novelty, but both Donte and Casspi played some there last year, and they both had some good moments. And they are both kids with a lot of room to grow. Its neither the most likely scenario, nor an impossible one.

It should be noted that during our peak years we were very tall as well. We did have the normal sized PGs of course -- we lacked that edge we have now. But after that we went 6'7" Christie 6'9" Peja 6'9" Webb 7'1" Vlade 6'10" Hedo 6'11" Pollard, and all that length and size absolutely was a factor in our success. I distinctly remember Adelman's comment in training cap of 03-04 after it was suggested that he had largely the same team coming back, and he suggested that the question asker had no clue, and that the loss of all the length and versatility (Webb, Hedo, Pollard, Keon, JJ) was going to make a real difference as we replaced it with short stubby guys /Miller, Songaila, Massenberg, Peeler).
 
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It's novelty when it's done just for the sake of having tall players in the lineup. It's not novelty with teams like the 80's Lakers who had players that can play their respective positions, play them at a high level, and play together. Height and length in and of themselves are always secondary characteristics after ability. If you build a team and a lineup based on ability, and it happens that you did it with especially tall and long players at nearly every position, great, but to just look at a lineup and say, "it's a very tall lineup, voila!" then that's a novelty show.

Besides, relying on Whiteside for any kind of serious minutes next season is a fool's errand. Also, calling him a "defensive specialist" is premature at best.
 
Vlade4GM said:
It's novelty when it's done just for the sake of having tall players in the lineup. It's not novelty with teams like the 80's Lakers who had players that can play their respective positions, play them at a high level, and play together. Height and length in and of themselves are always secondary characteristics after ability. If you build a team and a lineup based on ability, and it happens that you did it with especially tall and long players at nearly every position, great, but to just look at a lineup and say, "it's a very tall lineup, voila!" then that's a novelty show.

Besides, relying on Whiteside for any kind of serious minutes next season is a fool's errand. Also, calling him a "defensive specialist" is premature at best.
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I really hope next year we can let teams look at this
6'6"
6'11"
6'9"
6'11"
6'11"
My mouth is watering just thinking about it.
 
Vlade4GM said:
It's novelty when it's done just for the sake of having tall players in the lineup. It's not novelty with teams like the 80's Lakers who had players that can play their respective positions, play them at a high level, and play together. Height and length in and of themselves are always secondary characteristics after ability. If you build a team and a lineup based on ability, and it happens that you did it with especially tall and long players at nearly every position, great, but to just look at a lineup and say, "it's a very tall lineup, voila!" then that's a novelty show.

Besides, relying on Whiteside for any kind of serious minutes next season is a fool's errand. Also, calling him a "defensive specialist" is premature at best.
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Well, we quickly on our way to having a lineup of very tall guys who can 'play'. Tyreke is point guard, and Donte has shown he's even capable of playing SG (albeit more on the defensive end than the offensive). I mean, if we were starting from scratch I'd be inclined to agree with you, height is important but not the very first thing you consider, but we've already got a start that direction.
 
Widowmaker2k said:
Well, we quickly on our way to having a lineup of very tall guys who can 'play'. Tyreke is point guard, and Donte has shown he's even capable of playing SG (albeit more on the defensive end than the offensive). I mean, if we were starting from scratch I'd be inclined to agree with you, height is important but not the very first thing you consider, but we've already got a start that direction.
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It should be treated as a luxury, not a strategy. Fact is, we need cornerstone players, and IMO, we only have one true cornerstone player. We have a few players that can be nice complementary pieces, but they're not really all-star players that we can't do without. We're not in a position to be picky and pass on the likes of Cousins or Johnson, in favor of a raw 6'11 twig in Whiteside. Screw that noise.

Johnson and Cousins could both be core players, better than anything else we currently have. Passing on either of them would be incredibly short sighted.
 
Bricklayer said:
That all depends.

Consider a scenario where he likes Cousins, but does not think he'll be there at #5. He sees the #5 guy is probably Johnson, and says that's not really what he needs. On top of that Golden State picks after us and could well draft Aminu to play center or something. So Geoff carries this deal around in his back pocket as a contingency. If Cousins is gone, and Johnson is #5 or #6, then at most we lose 1 spot in the race for one of the second tier bigs, and meanwhile we bring in a defensive captain ala the Christie move, with championship experience, and on an ending contract while shedding a longer term deal. Put that way, its not that idiotic a thing to have sitting around as a contingency.

Now on the other hand seen as a move to bail on Cousins because of red flags and/or because he plays too physical and might end up being a better post player than three point shooter, and as a way to trade down far enough that Geoff can credibly take Gordon Hayward so we can get a "skilled basketball player" in here while squishing Casspi and moving Donte up to play smallball PF, then yes, it would be idiotic.

Context could be everything. Consider what happens if we make the deal, draft Whiteside, and the rumors about us moving Cisco turn out to be accurate as well. Then 6'9" Casspi or 6'11" Donte becomes the SG, 6'10" Prince the SF, the remaining guy the 6th man, and aside from Landry as a tough little runt, we trot out the biggest/longest team in the NBA, while adding two defensive specialists (Prince, Whiteside), and quite possibly having 5 postup options in the starting lineup.
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I could see this happening.....IF Cousins or Favors weren't available at #5. Let's say they're both gone by #4, and for whatever reason you're not enamored with Johnson - why WOULDN'T you make this deal (although, the Pistons ain't gonna move up two spots to draft JOhnson). The rest of the bigs are all relatively interchangeable.
 
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