Temple Traded for Ben McLemore and Deyonte Davis (merged)

The_Jamal said:
The smarter thing to do would be to leverage taking on Ryan Anderson for 2 years into Houston's 2020 and 2022 1st round picks and another 2nd next year. What choice would the Rockets have? Capela reportedly isn't happy with the offer he's gotten from them and they need CP3/Harden/Capela all on the same page if they want a repeat of last year. It's such a good leverage spot for us: either we offer all our cap to Capela, put Houston into mega cap hell OR they can maintain a reasonable cap while bringing their core back AND getting rid of their most worthless contract. Freeing up Anderson too would let them add to their core this year and next.
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I like the way you think!!!
Our new Cap space 20.524 Mil, Ryno Sal 20.421 Oh Yeah Ryno coming home Vlade better get 2 1st rd picks!
Or send the offer sheet to Clint
 
SLAB said:
Honestly I'm thrilled with this move. Don't get me wrong, I love Temple as a locker room community guy, but I can't stand him as a player.

And did I mention, MCBEN!!!
(I really hope they don't just waive him)
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I really hope you aren't serious... I hope they waive him in the next 3 seconds.
 
Sac.Kings said:
I really hope you aren't serious... I hope they waive him in the next 3 seconds.
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News Flash: Ben is an equivalent or better player than G-Leaguer Jackson. He runs faster and jumps higher and makes his three around the same rate. Both are lousy defenders with lousy floor games. Until we upgrade on the wing or I don't know Shumpert makes an unexpected comeback Ben can actually compete for minutes in the rotation. We struck out on Mario and LaVine so we are in this predicament. I don't think anyone is arguing Ben is a good player but there is opportunity there.
 
so if we offer 20.5 mil to capella and Rockets match and use 5.3 mil except on Melo plus thier 11 players at 119 mil they have 145mil in salary
22mil over the Luxury tax - thats some Tax Hell there!

or give us Ryno for 2 1st rd picks

Clint cant get another offer and settles with Rockets for 17 mil or signs the 7 mil Qual offer

Yep serious leverage!!!
 
The_Jamal said:
The smarter thing to do would be to leverage taking on Ryan Anderson for 2 years into Houston's 2020 and 2022 1st round picks and another 2nd next year. What choice would the Rockets have? Capela reportedly isn't happy with the offer he's gotten from them and they need CP3/Harden/Capela all on the same page if they want a repeat of last year. It's such a good leverage spot for us: either we offer all our cap to Capela, put Houston into mega cap hell OR they can maintain a reasonable cap while bringing their core back AND getting rid of their most worthless contract. Freeing up Anderson too would let them add to their core this year and next.
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You want to pay 40M in dead money for two late first round picks, one in TWO years and one in FOUR years? That is a terrible idea. Plus Vlade and Joerger are on the hot seat NOW. They cannot afford this time horizon. They need to use their asset (20M in cap space) sooner than later between now and the trade deadline for more immediate return.
 
Blob said:
News Flash: Ben is an equivalent or better player than G-Leaguer Jackson. He runs faster and jumps higher and makes his three around the same rate. Both are lousy defenders with lousy floor games. Until we upgrade on the wing or I don't know Shumpert makes an unexpected comeback Ben can actually compete for minutes in the rotation. We struck out on Mario and LaVine so we are in this predicament. I don't think anyone is arguing Ben is a good player but there is opportunity there.
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Ben has had ALL the opportunity in the world. People have gotten gray hair waiting for this kid to do something. I'm actually surprised he is still in the league. Well maybe not all that surprised because there are quite a few below average players in the league.
 
Jkbiker said:
so if we offer 20.5 mil to capella and Rockets match and use 5.3 mil except on Melo plus thier 11 players at 119 mil they have 145mil in salary
22mil over the Luxury tax - thats some Tax Hell there!

or give us Ryno for 2 1st rd picks

Clint cant get another offer and settles with Rockets for 17 mil or signs the 7 mil Qual offer

Yep serious leverage!!!
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Isn't there a way we can send Willies contract to the Rockets and open up more space to sign Capella? Willie is scheduled to make 4.7M next year. With his money and our 20.5M in cap space, that is 25.2M. As a 0-6 year player the MAXIMUM a player can make in 2018-19 is 25.5M.
 
Blob said:
News Flash: Ben is an equivalent or better player than G-Leaguer Jackson. He runs faster and jumps higher and makes his three around the same rate. Both are lousy defenders with lousy floor games. Until we upgrade on the wing or I don't know Shumpert makes an unexpected comeback Ben can actually compete for minutes in the rotation. We struck out on Mario and LaVine so we are in this predicament. I don't think anyone is arguing Ben is a good player but there is opportunity there.
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One guy has been in the league for years now and one guy has just recently finished his rookie year. If they are already mostly equal in your mind, doesn't that tell you all you need to know about Ben? Ben has never scored 20 plus points in more than half of his summer league games. I'll give Jackson the opportunity 10/10 times over Ben. We already know Ben sucks, but Jackson hasn't had the chance yet.

It has long been determined that Ben's athleticism is lost on him. He has no clue how to take advantage of it. Not a clue.
 
Semi said:
Ben has had ALL the opportunity in the world. People have gotten gray hair waiting for this kid to do something. I'm actually surprised he is still in the league. Well maybe not all that surprised because there are quite a few below average players in the league.
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I know he sucks my point is he can run fast and fill a wing with Fox leading the break. And I don't see much difference between him and Jackson.
 
Blob said:
I know he sucks my point is he can run fast and fill a wing with Fox leading the break. And I don't see much difference between him and Jackson.
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We will just agree to disagree here. If you think Ben and Jackson are the same, then I can't help you. If Jackson is still the same player in 3 years then we can talk, but Ben has not improved in any facet of the game since his rookie year.
 
Sac.Kings said:
One guy has been in the league for years now and one guy has just recently finished his rookie year. If they are already mostly equal in your mind, doesn't that tell you all you need to know about Ben? Ben has never scored 20 plus points in more than half of his summer league games. I'll give Jackson the opportunity 10/10 times over Ben. We already know Ben sucks, but Jackson hasn't had the chance yet.

It has long been determined that Ben's athleticism is lost on him. He has no clue how to take advantage of it. Not a clue.
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I am not going to argue vehemently for Ben. He's not worth the key strokes. All I am saying is given our current wing depth and quality, I don't see reason to waive him.
 
Sac.Kings said:
We will just agree to disagree here. If you think Ben and Jackson are the same, then I can't help you. If Jackson is still the same player in 3 years then we can talk, but Ben has not improved in any facet of the game since his rookie year.
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I might have a higher opinion of Ben than Jackson, and I do NOT have a high opinion of Ben. Remember Ben came into the league at 20. Jackson came into the league at 22.
 
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Blob said:
I am not going to argue vehemently for Ben. He's not worth the key strokes. All I am saying is given our current wing depth and quality, I don't see reason to waive him.
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Cap space is the only reason. I'm hopeful there's something else brewing.
 
Blob said:
News Flash: Ben is an equivalent or better player than G-Leaguer Jackson. He runs faster and jumps higher and makes his three around the same rate. Both are lousy defenders with lousy floor games. Until we upgrade on the wing or I don't know Shumpert makes an unexpected comeback Ben can actually compete for minutes in the rotation. We struck out on Mario and LaVine so we are in this predicament. I don't think anyone is arguing Ben is a good player but there is opportunity there.
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Ben McLemore broke our hearts for the entire time he was here. There's no indication that would change. The "there was opportunity there" should be his NBA epitaph.
 
Blob said:
I might have a higher opinion of Ben than Jackson, and I do NOT have a high opinion of Ben. Remember Ben came into the league at 19. Jackson came into the league at 22.
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Uh huh... I dont put much stock into that stuff and early 20's is young any way you slice it. Can you play or not is generally my consensus.
 
Section 101 said:
So he's being traded. That's always what they say before one goes down!
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BuddyBuckets said:
I'm not mad at this. I don't think playing Buddy/Bogdan 27 mpg was really helping either of them and Temple got in the way. Playing them both 32-34mpg should be the goal.

If this leads to some sort of Otto Porter trade ill be incredibly happy.

I've been saying WCS/Skal/Jackson for Porter.

Giles/Koufos/Davis
Bagley/Randolph
Porter/Shump
Bogdan/Buddy
Fox/Mason

I could support this.
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Why would Washington want WCS after getting dwight?
 
The best I can gather from the lavine offer and now this is Buddy is going to start @2 and Bogi @3 and they want a 3 and slash player behind buddy.
 
Sac.Kings said:
We will just agree to disagree here. If you think Ben and Jackson are the same, then I can't help you. If Jackson is still the same player in 3 years then we can talk, but Ben has not improved in any facet of the game since his rookie year.
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As point of fact Jackson and Ben first seasons were nearly identical statistically with Ben being two years younger (20 vs 22). Jackson shot a little better (49% vs 52% TS) but besides that they had equally inauspicious rookie seasons. Ben's struggles were a little more justified in my mind due to his age, maturity and probably more team dysfunction at the time. Jacskon's struggles are not as easily explained away. I had more confidence in Ben back then than Jackson now.
 
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