Talks of new arena start again

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Talks on Arena for Sacramento Kings Start Anew
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A fresh effort is underway to fund and build a new sports arena for the Sacramento Kings, News10 has learned.

Steve Capps, a spokesperson for prominent Sacramento developer Angelo Tsakopoulos, confirms Tsakopoulos is behind new talks to replace the oldest arena in the National Basketball Association. "Angelo is doing everything he can to keep the Kings here. The plan includes private involvement," Capps told News10 reporter George Warren.

Tsakopoulos was among the major backers of a plan hatched last year to fund a new arena with development fees in Sacramento's North Natomas area. That plan fell apart when some of the landowners chose not to participate.

Capps would not reveal specifics of the new discussions.

In an exclusive interview with News10 sports anchor Bryan May, Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof admitted the road to a new arena has been difficult, as multiple proposals have fallen through. The two said they’re disappointed there hasn't been a commitment for a new facility, despite at least five years of effort on their part. "I'm surprised," said Gavin Maloof. "I mean, I felt we've done everything we've ever said we’re going to do with the city and we give back millions of dollars to the community."

The Maloofs believe for them to fund an arena would put them at a competitive disadvantage when it comes to signing players. Gavin Maloof said paying $40 million a year in interest and debt service fees on a $400 million arena isn't good business in a medium-sized market like Sacramento. "What's going to keep us competitive," said Joe Maloof, "Is making sure we sign the best players and you can't do that if you're paying interest on your facility. Interest costs eat you alive."

The public conversation about a new arena has virtually ceased in recent weeks. A survey conducted by CSU Sacramento in March found that the majority of Sacramento residents don't feel there is a need for a new arena. Of 1,002 adults polled in a four-county area including Sacramento, 56 percent thought a new arena was unnecessary. Thirty-six percent agreed it was time for a new facility and 11 percent didn’t know.

The survey also revealed that just one percent believed an arena should be publicly funded. Fifty-one percent said it should be built with private money and 37 percent believed a combination of private and public funding was reasonable.

The cost of new arena in North Natomas to replace the current facility there is estimated at $318 million. However, Kings ownership want a $400 million structure that would accomodate 18,000 fans, have preferred seating and 55 luxury boxes.

Among other recent arena proposals to fizzle is a partnership between the City of Sacramento and the Maloofs proposed last summer. City leaders capped Sacramento's contribution at $175 million, leading the Maloofs to storm out of the city council session. Joe Maloof has said the Kings will contribute no more 20 percent of the cost.

However, the Maloofs profess they are not giving up and they are not planning to relocate the Kings. "We’re willing to do whatever it takes," said Joe Maloof. "A public-private partnership and put our fair share in, we’ve always said that. We’re going to pay off the $80 million loan. Whatever they want us to do, we’re going to do."

ARCO Arena, which seats 17,317, was built in 1988. It was built without taxpayer funds for $40 million.
 
i really hope i can be watching the Sacramento Kings 2-3 years from now
 
Fillmoe said:
i really hope i can be watching the Sacramento Kings 2-3 years from now

Exactly! They should be playing in sacramento and sacramento only.
 
"It was built without taxpayer funds for $40 million."

Amazing. From $40 million to $400 million less than 20 years later.
 
hrdboild said:
"It was built without taxpayer funds for $40 million."

Amazing. From $40 million to $400 million less than 20 years later.

Yes, but that is like saying you bought a Yugo 20 years ago for $4,000 and you are now looking to replace it with a BMW for $40,000. You really cannot compare the two because of the type of arena planned. Also, have you seen what construction costs and the current costs of "environmental" studies have done to project budgets in the last decade?
 
G_M said:
Complete omission of the Sacramento City Council is the best step toward a new arena.

Although realistically the best option is a combo public/private approach. Still not sure why simply rounding up all of the remaining private investors from that failed farmland plan, having the Maloofs chip in 20% or whatever, and having the council find the political will to fill in any remainder wouldn't work.
 
Bricklayer said:
Although realistically the best option is a combo public/private approach. Still not sure why simply rounding up all of the remaining private investors from that failed farmland plan, having the Maloofs chip in 20% or whatever, and having the council find the political will to fill in any remainder wouldn't work.

Don't be ridiculous, Brick. That's WAY too logical, not to mention down right simple and easy.
 
Bricklayer said:
Although realistically the best option is a combo public/private approach. Still not sure why simply rounding up all of the remaining private investors from that failed farmland plan, having the Maloofs chip in 20% or whatever, and having the council find the political will to fill in any remainder wouldn't work.


Ultimately, I believe that is the basic formula that will work. The key players are still willing to make something work. I just think it's a matter of coming up aith some firm numbers.

I always thought that a more regional approach to funding would also work. The reality is that many Arena dwellers come from El Dorado, Placer, Yolo, and even San Juaquin counties. Too bad the city councils or county suprvisors from those areas could not at least have more of a voice in the debate.
 
There are just way too many people in the Sacramento region that could care less about basketball. People around here are not opposed to spending money as long as it is someone else's.

Very "continental", I suppose.
 
quick dog about summed it up.
Its gonna be an uphill battle.
 
ONEZERO said:
Exactly! They should be playing in sacramento and sacramento only.

odd....


I felt the same way when they played in KANSAS CITY...what this article tells me is that 56% of the people in sacramento are morons who feel the need to do nothing but maintain the status quo...these same 56% will cry and scream when the kings leave town about how the maloofs stole their team...people need to look at what happened in cleveland when the browns left and more recently in washington DC where the expos now play. The same scenario is also being played out in my hometown of KC where they could realistically lose one or both of their major league teams due to the stadiums not having enough amenities to keep up with the other teams...if the kings don't get a new arena then they will not be playing in sacramento in 3-5 years, maybe las vegas instead!
 
Didn't KC build a new arena for a bball team without even having one?? Just something I heard...don't know if it's true.
 
hoopsfan said:
Didn't KC build a new arena for a bball team without even having one?? Just something I heard...don't know if it's true.

Yes, the Kansas City residents voted to build a new arena last summer.
It only took them 20 years to get a new arena without a team. So when the Kings move out of town because of the do-nothings that run this city, we'll have to wait about 20 years to get a new arena and then it will cost about 3-4 billion dollars to build.
 
Rockmeister said:
Steve Capps, a spokesperson for prominent Sacramento developer Angelo Tsakopoulos, confirms Tsakopoulos is behind new talks to replace the oldest arena in the National Basketball Association. .

Huh, there was hall at my old high school named after him
 
hoopsfan said:
Didn't KC build a new arena for a bball team without even having one?? Just something I heard...don't know if it's true.

It has not been built yet, i think they just broke ground recently and hope to be finished by 2007...but it was built in the hopes of bringing big tournements (NCAA) and other things back to KC..and a side sell was that it may help KC get another shot at the NBA or NHL
 
If people in Sacramento let their inability to realize how important an arena is to the whole area - not just the Sacramento Kings - then they deserve their fate. They WILL be exactly what Phil Jackson has accused them of being.

Kingsgurl and I have been "arguing" this for quite a while. I've held the position that the people won't let this happen; she was the more pragmatic, saying they don't have to DO anything to prevent the arena other than simply not actively support it. I'm beginning to see her side and it's not a reassuring view...

I have come to the conclusion, based on a number of things including correspondence with some people in a better position than I to judge the whole situation, that the capital city of California hasn't really grown up. It's just grown out - it's still the sleepy little town from the 50s I first grew to love. The only problem is it's now the sleepy little town with 1.5 million people in the immediate area.

It isn't just about a place for the Kings to play. It's about looking forward; planning for a future that might or might not include a class A venue for a myriad of activities. If Sacramento wants to continue to grow - and I would assume, based on the orchards of new homes popping up all over the horizon, this is something the city and its representatives do want - then the people deciding the path the city will take have to GROW UP and quit sniping at each other, quit acting like the big bad Maloofs are out to rob Sacramento's pockets, and show some true vision.

And those of us who think the arena will be good for Sacramento need to get involved. We need to do something.

Dylan Thomas wrote a poem that I think fits right now:

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on that sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Come on, Kings fans! It's not time to simply give up and say there's nothing we can do. Before it IS too late, let us RAGE against the dying of the light.
 
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I just returned to Sacramento after living for a couple of years in another capital city. In Illinois, the capital, Springfield, has a whopping 111,000 or so people. Sacramento, on the other hand, has well over 10 times that amount. But, when it comes to people caring about a future for the families of the area, I am beginning to believe that Sacramento residents are as "podunk" as Springfield residents. Great...I get the additional traffic, without the additional cultural benefits. **sigh**
 
"All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing..."

I seem to be in a philosophical mood today.

I don't live in Sacramento but I still consider it my "home away from home." I don't know how much any of us can do to help get the arena built, not only for sports but for everything else. I do know that I'm willing to do whatever I can.

Arco is not going to be another Alhambra if there is ANYTHING I can do to prevent it.

I'm talking to some people I know and getting some ideas. I'm not going to be passive about this...

;)
 
Remember the Alhambra - thats the sign Tower Theatre has....

It's not just City of Sacramento that has to get involved..the other counties should provide money. Placer county has tons of money!!! It's not just the city of sacramento team, it;s the whole surrounding area team. I live in downtown sac and I do not mind paying extra taxes to get it funded. Maybe the City should adopt what London is doing. You have to pay to drive into the city, a toll fee for crossing into the city limits. That should provide a huge amount of money from the state and county workers who live outside of the city limits
 
NK64 said:
odd....


I felt the same way when they played in KANSAS CITY...what this article tells me is that 56% of the people in sacramento are morons who feel the need to do nothing but maintain the status quo...these same 56% will cry and scream when the kings leave town about how the maloofs stole their team

So people who don't really give a crap about basketball are automatically morons because they don't care if an arena is built or not? Whatever. The majority of people here just don't care if the kings stay or go. How are you gonna change that? You can't convince people to throw money at something they really don't care about.
 
VF21 said:
"All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing..."

I seem to be in a philosophical mood today.

I don't live in Sacramento but I still consider it my "home away from home." I don't know how much any of us can do to help get the arena built, not only for sports but for everything else. I do know that I'm willing to do whatever I can.

Arco is not going to be another Alhambra if there is ANYTHING I can do to prevent it.

I'm talking to some people I know and getting some ideas. I'm not going to be passive about this...

;)


What can those of us who live "WAY AWAY" from Sacramento do? We do not live there, be we feel a part of the "KING'S COMMUNITY" and want to help.:)
 
Sancho, the entertainment complex (ie, Arena) isn't just about Basketball. It's much bigger than that. It's about cultural events and a cities image. It's actually an opportunity for Sacramento as a city to catch up with all the growth that has gone on in the region. Right now, we ARE a big city, yet we reap virtually NONE of the benefits of BEING a big city. We have to deal with the aggravations of city life on a daily basis (traffic, smog, etc.) without many of the perks. The Kings themselves are now tightly woven into this cities identity too. Some people really aren't looking at the big picture here.
 
sanchosforhire said:
So people who don't really give a crap about basketball are automatically morons because they don't care if an arena is built or not? Whatever. The majority of people here just don't care if the kings stay or go. How are you gonna change that? You can't convince people to throw money at something they really don't care about.

The majority of people don't care because I think they don't understand that it's not just about the Kings. You change that through enlightening them, and that has to start with the one real game in town - the Sacramento Bee. If people write to the paper and voice their opinions, it's a start. People also need to express their opinions to their local city council member or county supervisor. It's not a matter of people throwing money at something they really don't care about...it's a matter of not making people choose UNTIL they have enough information to make educated decisions.

chelle - I don't live in the area either, but I do attend several games a year. I spend money in Sacramento while I'm there. I think there are a lot of things people can do - it's just a matter of identifying them. I'm going to put this as one of my main projects right now - and at least find out who we can write to and what else we can do.

Kingsgurl made some excellent points that people need to think about. Take a look at what San Antonio has done to make their arena part of a whole "new look" for their riverfront. Sacramento has a river, too, and could well do something similar that would carry the city forward...

Not everyone will agree or think it's worth investing time or effort in, and that's fine. But, for those of us who really do not want to see this end up another Alhambra, we have to take action now - it's too late once the wrecking ball has knocked the walls down.
 
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Rockmeister said:

A survey conducted by CSU Sacramento in March found that the majority of Sacramento residents don't feel there is a need for a new arena. Of 1,002 adults polled in a four-county area including Sacramento, 56 percent thought a new arena was unnecessary. Thirty-six percent agreed it was time for a new facility and 11 percent didn’t know.

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Wow, they really polled everyone in Sacramento didn't they. All 1,002 of them. So about 558 people feel its not necessary to build a new arena. Good for them, now what about the rest of us.
 
The results of the survey are being widely touted, although the demographics of those polled have not been disclosed. To say the majority of Sacramento residents don't feel the need for a new arena is naive at best and intentionally misleading (whether it's accurate or not) at the worst.

They polled 1,002 adults in a four-county area including Sacramento, but then summarize by saying a majority of Sacramento residents?

The problem with surveys is that some people will answer what they think the majority is going to say, others will intentionally answer the most unpopular view, and others answer even if they don't have a clue what's actually being asked.
 
VF21 said:
chelle - I don't live in the area either, but I do attend several games a year. I spend money in Sacramento while I'm there. I think there are a lot of things people can do - it's just a matter of identifying them. I'm going to put this as one of my main projects right now - and at least find out who we can write to and what else we can do.

Not everyone will agree or think it's worth investing time or effort in, and that's fine. But, for those of us who really do not want to see this end up another Alhambra, we have to take action now - it's too late once the wrecking ball has knocked the walls down.


I'm sure you will let us know when you discover the people we need to contact. Many voices are louder than one, so let's make some noise!
 
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I will, of course, share whatever information I can. I'm honestly not sure how much fans outside of California could actually do to affect whether or not a new arena is built in Sacramento.
 

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