[Game] Suns @ Kings - 10/17/13

Lol. That's such a horrible shot Jimmer takes. But you always want him to take that for some reason and beyond stoked when he makes it
 
Not the biggest Cuz fan usually, and wasn't really enthused about the extension when it happened, but the skillset he's showing is starting to alleviate some fear
 
And the dancers came to play bongos with the little princesses...

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i think both IT and MT have looked unimpresive so far in preseason....i would play jimmer over both of them at this point...and im not even looking at jimmers stats for this game, its how hes playing, jimmer is more about playing within the team than those two have shown this preseaon...especially IT-he seems to be pressing it, maybe because of greivis?
 
kingwin said:
i think both IT and MT have looked unimpresive so far in preseason....i would play jimmer over both of them at this point. package both or either of them with salmons expiring ....
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IT hasn't played terribly, it's just that the team tends to do worse when IT individually does well. That's not the sign of a floor general. He doesn't have to average 9 assists a game, but don't take away from players that are hot so you can get yours. Get a win instead. He has yet to understand that.
 
Sac.Kings said:
IT hasn't played terribly, it's just that the team tends to do worse when IT individually does well. That's not the sign of a floor general. He doesn't have to average 9 assists a game, but don't take away from players that are hot so you can get yours. Get a win instead. He has yet to understand that.
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Exactly.. his performance came off as very me-first
 
Wish I could have watched the game but reading the game thread, sounds like GV played well in his minutes. Cuz was an obvious beast again....and with 6 steals even. Jimmer had a good game.....knocking down 3s. If he can do this at a high rate....maybe he can help after all......but he has to hit the 3s at a good rate.
I've been piling on MT and its tough to do much in 8 minutes but a few posts said he looked disinterested. Maybe he doesn't fit with this system.

Is Ndyaiye(sp) a potential guy to help?
 
Im still not sure I'll ever understand why IT is apparently "the problem" in some people's eyes here. To me, the SF position and Thornton are far bigger concerns.
 
"We've seen him in action before and I know that he is a fan favorite. What was more exciting for me to be honest, was not the fan reaction, but I think it's a great sign when a guy is getting off in a game and his teammates on the bench are up supporting him. And everyone was up when Jimmer was making those plays and I think that's a great sign for our team. No one cares who gets the credit. We support each other. We believe in each other. We push each other in the right way and when we do that, good things are going to happen. So, I love how our team is coming together - on the court, off the court, we're creating that chemistry, that bond we need." -Coach Malone on Jimmer
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- from link on Twitter

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The_Jamal said:
Im still not sure I'll ever understand why IT is apparently "the problem" in some people's eyes here. To me, the SF position and Thornton are far bigger concerns.
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I don't think Thornton is a concern, considering he's barely even been touching the ball. The SF position has been a problem since 2007, so there's no point in going on about it. When me and some others complained about the SF position not being resolved in the offseason we were told to give the FO a chance and blablablaba. The SF position isn't getting resolved. It's a sunk cost.

Which brings us to IT. He's "the problem" because he's not playing team ball, and because he is going to be one of our main guys. We've talked so much about changing the culture, playing as a team. Here we have one of our key players not sharing the ball. Combine that with the fact that he's a PG and you wonder why people are treating him as "the problem"? I know you think I'm an IT hater and what not, but I think it says something when pretty much everybody in the game thread felt that IT was playing a "me-first" game.
 
mac said:
I don't think Thornton is a concern, considering he's barely even been touching the ball. The SF position has been a problem since 2007, so there's no point in going on about it. When me and some others complained about the SF position not being resolved in the offseason we were told to give the FO a chance and blablablaba. The SF position isn't getting resolved. It's a sunk cost.

Which brings us to IT. He's "the problem" because he's not playing team ball, and because he is going to be one of our main guys. We've talked so much about changing the culture, playing as a team. Here we have one of our key players not sharing the ball. Combine that with the fact that he's a PG and you wonder why people are treating him as "the problem"? I know you think I'm an IT hater and what not, but I think it says something when pretty much everybody in the game thread felt that IT was playing a "me-first" game.
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IT played a bad game. So what? He also played several games where he did a fine job getting others involved. And even on bad games, you still see he's at least hustling out there as he usually does.

Thornton just looks uninterested. He's getting worked on D by nobodys. He's not getting involved offensively.
 
The_Jamal said:
IT played a bad game. So what? He also played several games where he did a fine job getting others involved. And even on bad games, you still see he's at least hustling out there as he usually does.

Thornton just looks uninterested. He's getting worked on D by nobodys. He's not getting involved offensively.
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No, he played the same way he plays every single game. He rarely creates for others, and the bulk of his assists come from him simply handing it to the bigs for an outside jumpshot, or by passing in a break (which he is good at). Everybody knows he's a score first guy, even opposing announcers say it. That's that. What we want to do with it is a different issue. He can either be a valuable scoring threat for us or he can be a guy who just gets everyone else (e.g. Thornton) uninterested because he isn't passing the ball. I leave that to coach Malone to figure out.

Thornton is being Thornton. He doesn't play D and his only value comes on offense. If you don't give him the ball on offense, he gets uninterested. It's been the same for a good few seasons, and you shouldn't be surprised to see him like that. The only difference is he's not the one who's supposed to be getting others involved. There have been many posters calling for us to get rid of Thornton or those willing to give him up in a trade, don't act as if everyone is just picking on your beloved IT.
 
exactly...IT doesnt play team ball, thats the point...u can see it, i remember one sequence where dragic drove right past him and scored...and i already knew that IT was gonna go after him on the next play and what did he do = dribble, dribble, dribble and throw up a circus shot, as opposed to running an offensive set...i think this game jimmer showed how he could play within a team concept offensively...he could be on the ball ( ala drive, spin and kick to Ppat in the corner) or off the ball- knocking down 3s...and im not crowning "jimmer the god" but for the preseason jimmer has shown more than IT and MT... hopefully peteD can move someone out so theres no pity party for Playing time( thorton) and more focus on Winning and losing...
 
dude12 said:
Wish I could have watched the game but reading the game thread, sounds like GV played well in his minutes. Cuz was an obvious beast again....and with 6 steals even. Jimmer had a good game.....knocking down 3s. If he can do this at a high rate....maybe he can help after all......but he has to hit the 3s at a good rate.
I've been piling on MT and its tough to do much in 8 minutes but a few posts said he looked disinterested. Maybe he doesn't fit with this system.

Is Ndyaiye(sp) a potential guy to help?
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Not sure if your aware, but last season Jimmer was the best 3 pt shooter on the team, shooting just under 42% from there. So its not really his shooting that's kept him off the floor. Its been his ballhandling, which has improved, and his defense, which so far this year, also seems to have improved. I still think his best position is PG, but if you can pair him with someone like Vazquez, then it doesn't matter. You'd have two PG's on the floor, and Vasquez could guard the SG's and Jimmer could guard the PG's. Which is how they started the game tonight.
 
The_Jamal said:
Im still not sure I'll ever understand why IT is apparently "the problem" in some people's eyes here. To me, the SF position and Thornton are far bigger concerns.
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Its sort of apples and oranges. One has nothing to do with the other. I don't think anyone said that IT is "the problem". Obviously some don't like him, and others that do, may be disappointed to some extent. I have no personal feelings about IT. I think he gets as much as possible out of his talent. I also think that because he fought an uphill battle his whole life, that at times he tries too hard to prove his worth, and ends up doing the opposite. I've come to the conclusion that perhaps he and Thornton aren't the best pairing. However, I think Thornton is more of the problem than IT is. Thornton is no mystery to Malone. I think he knows exactly what kind of player Thornton is. And for that reason, I think Thornton's time with the Kings is limited.
 
Sac.Kings said:
IT hasn't played terribly, it's just that the team tends to do worse when IT individually does well. That's not the sign of a floor general. He doesn't have to average 9 assists a game, but don't take away from players that are hot so you can get yours. Get a win instead. He has yet to understand that.
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I kind of get where IT is coming from. IT is in a contract year. Kings aren't yet a good team. Might as well showcase to get some bread after the season.
 
bajaden said:
Not sure if your aware, but last season Jimmer was the best 3 pt shooter on the team, shooting just under 42% from there. So its not really his shooting that's kept him off the floor. Its been his ballhandling, which has improved, and his defense, which so far this year, also seems to have improved. I still think his best position is PG, but if you can pair him with someone like Vazquez, then it doesn't matter. You'd have two PG's on the floor, and Vasquez could guard the SG's and Jimmer could guard the PG's. Which is how they started the game tonight.
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Yeah there was a lengthy discussion in the previous game grades thread concerning Jimmer. I think if he's put at PG his deficiencies are taken advantage of....speaking of the ball handling. If you just spot him at 3 point line at SG, then he is more efficient and can just shoot the ball or move it or even drive off kick outs. He can help there. Still will struggle to be a avg defensive guy at best but he an stretch the defense.
 
Hadlowe said:
I kind of get where IT is coming from. IT is in a contract year. Kings aren't yet a good team. Might as well showcase to get some bread after the season.
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Except this is how he has always played, it has nothing to do with it being a contract year.
 
With GV on the floor the team was involved and was a priority of his to get the ball to an open man. With IT on the floor the team came second and he looked for his shot first quite a few times.

The way this team is designed I believe a "pure PG" will work better so I cannot wait to see more of the GV/Cuz show. I think those two will make each other a LOT better. It's much more fun to watch than the 5 individuals we had on the floor last year.
 
Gary said:
With GV on the floor the team was involved and was a priority of his to get the ball to an open man. With IT on the floor the team came second and he looked for his shot first quite a few times.

The way this team is designed I believe a "pure PG" will work better so I cannot wait to see more of the GV/Cuz show. I think those two will make each other a LOT better. It's much more fun to watch than the 5 individuals we had on the floor last year.
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I think Mclemore will excel more with a pg that can get him the ball also. His ability to create isn't NBA ready yet and Vasquez could help in that reguard. Although can't do that with Thornton logging most of the min. Will be interesting to see what Malone does with this lineup.
 
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