Steve Francis trade stuff (merged)

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Chris Sheridan/ESPN - Steve Francis is being strongly sought by the desperate New York Knicks , who want to pair him in the backcourt with Stephon Marbury in a bid to save their season.
Two sources involved in the Francis trade discussions told ESPN.com on Tuesday that New York is actively pursuing Francis, who is being shopped full throttle by the Orlando Magic .
The Denver Nuggets remain in the hunt for Francis, but they are not the leading option as they were a few days ago. The Minnesota Timberwolves also were trying to stay in the mix, looking for a third team to take on players Orlando is not interested in.
New York was believed to be offering Penny Hardaway, Jamal Crawford and at least one other player, likely Trevor Ariza, David Lee or Nate Robinson, in a deal in which the Knicks would also take back center Kelvin Cato, whose $8.64 million salary comes off the cap at the end of the season.
Cato would have to be included along with Francis ($13.7 million) to provide a match for the salaries of Hardaway ($15.75 million), Crawford ($6.5 million) and the third player, be it Robinson ($1.2 million), Lee (860,000) and/or Ariza $640,000).

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/39138/20060214/knicks_going_after_francis_hard/

Wow.

That would be a fun, interesting back-court to watch, lol

Crazy contracts though
 
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I have to say this right now -- the new regime is just off to a tremendous start if it can close a few of these deals. Offloading junk, uploading young talent, and keeping their caproom to make a run at a FA or two.

As for the Knicks, I like it. Larry will pull his hair out and hopefully go jump off the Brooklyn Bridge. But it gives the Knicks a "flavor" -- a core, something to define them. Kind of a two-man Iverson thing that is going to cause a lot of nightmare's for opposing coaches. As well as for the Knicks own coaches of course.
 
Great move by Orlando if it gets done. Free up some cap space and what free agent in their right mind wouldn't like playing along side Dwight Howard who IMO will be the best big man in the NBA within the next few years.
 
Hey wait a minute.. They can't trade Cato for Darko AND Cato with Francis to NY? Maybe GP should try to trade Cato for KG...
 
Bricklayer said:
As for the Knicks, I like it. Larry will pull his hair out and hopefully go jump off the Brooklyn Bridge. But it gives the Knicks a "flavor" -- a core, something to define them. Kind of a two-man Iverson thing that is going to cause a lot of nightmare's for opposing coaches. As well as for the Knicks own coaches of course.

If the Knicks get Franchise, there may well be an elementary-school like wrestling match for the basketball in the back court b/w Starbury, Franchise and JRose at some point. I just can't imagine Starbury and Franchise co-existing.
 
4cwebb said:
If the Knicks get Franchise, there may well be an elementary-school like wrestling match for the basketball in the back court b/w Starbury, Franchise and JRose at some point. I just can't imagine Starbury and Franchise co-existing.

I forgot about Rose. :)

Any web cams on Brooklin bridge?
 
bozzwell said:
I forgot about Rose. :)

Any web cams on Brooklin bridge?

Rose is so irrelevant as to not even matter. Old and empty.

Now the next step would be for the Knicks to actually build a team around that backcourt rather than just the garbage collection of contracts they have now.

The other pieces would logically be Curry (post scoring) Frye (some offense, shotblcoking), a defensive hustle player at SF (who can hopefully guard some OGs to help out Francis), Rose as the scoring 6th man, and then a non-scoring defensive minded big.

Unfortunately the last man in Knickland who shbowed evena remote clue how to build a balanced squad is now coaching Miami. They never ever get it.
 
Bricklayer said:
Rose is so irrelevant as to not even matter. Old and empty.

Now the next step would be for the Knicks to actually build a team around that backcourt rather than just the garbage collection of contracts they have now.

The other pieces would logically be Curry (post scoring) Frye (some offense, shotblcoking), a defensive hustle player at SF (who can hopefully guard some OGs to help out Francis), Rose as the scoring 6th man, and then a non-scoring defensive minded big.

Unfortunately the last man in Knickland who shbowed evena remote clue how to build a balanced squad is now coaching Miami. They never ever get it.

Let's not get carried away here... ;)
 
I'd say Qyntel Woods could be that guy at SF with his play since coming there, working his way up to the starting line-up before Rose came in.
 
They should just trade Frye now. Heck, trade Curry too. Just trade every friggin player on the roster besides Starbury and Franchise for defensive specialists because it's not like they'll see the ball anyways...

Anyways, on a more serious note this is awesome for Orlando(I'm assuming it's Penny+Ariza for Francis) and horrible for New York. They're never going to be near the salary cap and Francis+Marbury=BAD. They are team wreckers, put them together and wow, I don't even want to imagine the carnage.
 
Bricklayer said:
As for the Knicks, I like it. Larry will pull his hair out and hopefully go jump off the Brooklyn Bridge

Not to be a prude, cuz I know it's obviously in complete jest, but jokes about suicide just make me slightly uncomfortable, for whatever reason.
 
BMiller52 said:
They should just trade Frye now. Heck, trade Curry too. Just trade every friggin player on the roster besides Starbury and Franchise for defensive specialists because it's not like they'll see the ball anyways...

Anyways, on a more serious note this is awesome for Orlando(I'm assuming it's Penny+Ariza for Francis) and horrible for New York. They're never going to be near the salary cap and Francis+Marbury=BAD. They are team wreckers, put them together and wow, I don't even want to imagine the carnage.

In a way, it reminds me of the jailblazers, only less talented, less chemestry, and perhaps less court time.
 
Now a matter of when for Francis to be traded

Chris Sheridan/ESPN Insider - Chris Sheridan of ESPN is reporting that it is no longer a matter of whether Steve Francis is dealt, but when. New York and Denver are the leading candidates as of now, but Minnesota is trying to engineer a three-team deal that would put Francis alongside Kevin Garnett and Ricky Davis.

A long-shot possibility is Francis returning to Houston. Wednesday night's Orlando-Detroit trade removed the possibility of Kelvin Cato going to New York in a Francis trade, but the Knicks can still do a Hardaway-Francis deal by removing Jamal Crawford from the equation and substituting Trevor Ariza and rookies David Lee and/or Nate Robinson.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=2332142

(RealGM has ESPNinsider, but I don't, which is where it came from)

Francis/KG/Ricky D would be an intriguing trio
 
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