kingsfan916
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2 words! Hell no!
Start Hart, Trade Bibby?
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thesanityannex
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You owe me a new keyboard and some zig-zags. I just spit my Sierra Nevada everywhere.HndsmCelt said:
ForlornKing
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I think what Camino is trying to say...
Hart's a good enough PG to start, and that we could package Bibby with other players to get a real superstar.
Not my opinion, but I think thats the idea.
Hart's a good enough PG to start, and that we could package Bibby with other players to get a real superstar.
Not my opinion, but I think thats the idea.
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Elektrik
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CaminoChaos said:
I like this kind of thing. It's a shame that when you throw something out there for a rational discussion you get slammed for it. This board has some very astute members but it's disapointing that people can't have a reasonable discussion without getting all bent out of shape. Oh well, I guess thats life on the message board.
Having said that, I really like Mike Bibby. He is very good in every category and one of the annual rag magazines chose Bibby as the #1 point guard for fantasy stats. Plus, he has that knack for hitting the big shot. He is a go-to guy and you can never have too many of those types of players on your team. Heck, he pretty much schools Steve Nash every time they match up. I agree that his defense leaves alot to be desired but at least he's not J-Will. Bibby at least makes an effort. Unless you can get a star player for him I believe you have to keep Mike.
Jason Hart is a good player and a fine pickup for a backup. I like the energy he brings off the bench but he is not yet...and may never be...an upper eschelon point guard. Let's give him a season and see how he performs to make a true assesment. He's already been hurt and the season hasn't started yet. His style of play dictates that he could be getting injured alot.
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Fillmoe
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real talk... i would trade bibby and peja for hinrich and deng!
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
Chamino... If that crap about Bibby not being able to paly had any truth at all you would be seeing a guy who's stats would drop in the play offs beceause that is when the presure really goes up. Unfortunatly for this theory Bibby's numbers almost all go up in the post season. Truth about Mike is he loves presure, lives to take the last second shot and it shows in his post season and 4th quarter play. To sugges sitting the one guy that has ice watter in his veins and runs the team like a true floor general is just nuts, absolutly nuts. But like I siad it's just the kind of nuts I expect from a bored burner with no b-ball to watch.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Fillmoe said:
You know, this is something I've thought about if the Kings went to completely rebuilding mode. Throw Tim Thomas (expiring) and the contracts match. But still, you'd like to think you could get at least a superstar for a Bibby/Peja combo.
BigSong
Bench
CaminoChaos said:
i'd like to see you justify that comment about him being a terrible defender, and by justify I dont mean some anecdotal **** about how he just seems to stand still on defense, during some times in the game. Because Bibby was for example ranked 21st in steals per game( 10th over all i believe) last year. i don't think thats terrible.
kingsfan916
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i never thought about that, but i think we should get Ben GordonFillmoe said:
AleksandarN
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Fillmoe said:
why give up Pedja when we could use Kenny thomas as trade filler instead. BTW this trade still would not help improve us defensively. The trade I would love to see is a Bibby and Pedja for Billups, Prince and Darko trade. That would improve our defense a great deal but Dumars would never let that trade happen.
Just think of this lineup then
PG: Billups, Hart
SG: Bonzi, Martin
SF: Prince, Corliss
PF: SAR, Darko/Skinner
C: Brad, Skinner/Darko
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AleksandarN
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BigSong said:
Steals per game is a not a real indicator of defensive play.
chelle
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AleksandarN said:
It is part of it.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT BIBBY IS A GREAT DEFENDER. We all know that he is not. However, he is not the worst. Defending encompases all thinks that make scoring more difficult for the other team. He does that, not enough, but he does do it. We all agree that he needs to improve. There is not a player in the league that does not have area that needs improvement.
When it comes to trades, my opinion is that it must make the team better.
a) we trade up for a better player at that position.
b) we trade for a player that is better at another position because we have a player that can step in and EQUALLY fill the void left by the departing player.
c) Salary cap relief to go after a stronger player in the OFF SEASON
d) Total rebuilding
Given these factors and the players with teams willing to trade them, trading Bibby would be a mistake.
MY OPINION: Hart is good but FAR from being able to fill Bibby's shoes.
This thing is still going on?????
CaminoChaos - Your thread title proposes one of the most ridiculous ideas I've seen on this board, and having been here for over 4 years, I've seen a lot of pretty out-there comments.
That's why I made my initial reply.
This type of thing might work on one of the NBA video games, but to even suggest trading Mike Bibby to make room to start someone like Jason Hart is just silly.
We pride ourselves on having very well-informed, devoted Kings fans around here who are really up on all things basketball. I cannot even begin to imagine a true Kings fan even considering this idea.
In my mind, we're back to the old discussion of who would win on JEOPARDY - Superman or Batman?
CaminoChaos - Your thread title proposes one of the most ridiculous ideas I've seen on this board, and having been here for over 4 years, I've seen a lot of pretty out-there comments.
That's why I made my initial reply.
This type of thing might work on one of the NBA video games, but to even suggest trading Mike Bibby to make room to start someone like Jason Hart is just silly.
We pride ourselves on having very well-informed, devoted Kings fans around here who are really up on all things basketball. I cannot even begin to imagine a true Kings fan even considering this idea.
In my mind, we're back to the old discussion of who would win on JEOPARDY - Superman or Batman?
kingfan4life
G-League
CaminoChaos said:
hey now that's not true.
It's more like every other time.
kingfan4life
G-League
but really
Bibby was the one who pretty much made us contenders in the first place. why would you even consider trading him? plus, I've never seen Hart play, but I'll bet he can't pass half as well as Bibby can.
Bibby was the one who pretty much made us contenders in the first place. why would you even consider trading him? plus, I've never seen Hart play, but I'll bet he can't pass half as well as Bibby can.
Fear the Putin
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i over reacted for sure and I know it
but one thing you gotta know is that when starts talking about how Bibby isnt good, or he isnt worth it, and that he should be traded, it just irritates me
but one thing you gotta know is that when starts talking about how Bibby isnt good, or he isnt worth it, and that he should be traded, it just irritates me
1 TeAm DiMe 0 said:
I deleted your previous post AND the response.
If you get that irritated about something you read here, then you need to take a deep breath - and relax.
It's a message board. People post things all the time that you might not agree with.
One of the principal differences between Kingsfans.com and some of the other message boards is that we do NOT allow things to dissolve into swearing, personal attacks against each other, etc.
If you notice, CaminoChaos has changed the message in the first post. He's saying the whole thing was just for the sake of argument.
GoGoGadget
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Bricklayer said:
I'm both ammused and offended by that.
Don't quite know how that's possible.
Oh lord. I just re-read this whole thing and have a few comments.
The point I think some of you are missing is that when someone TITLES a thread "Start Hart, Trade Bibby?" they're gonna have to be willing to take some flak.
Camino posted a ridiculous concept, apparently just because he likes to argue hypotheticals.
Should I start a thread that says "Fire Adelman, hire Bricklayer?"
I'll be sure and post the same disclaimer:
Most of here like to discuss serious possibilities and things that might actually come to pass. This kinds of "what if" threads are okay - I suppose - for TDOS, but it's almost time for the regular season to begin.
I guess some of us are just a little more grounded in reality than others.
The point I think some of you are missing is that when someone TITLES a thread "Start Hart, Trade Bibby?" they're gonna have to be willing to take some flak.
Camino posted a ridiculous concept, apparently just because he likes to argue hypotheticals.
Should I start a thread that says "Fire Adelman, hire Bricklayer?"
I'll be sure and post the same disclaimer:
Most of here like to discuss serious possibilities and things that might actually come to pass. This kinds of "what if" threads are okay - I suppose - for TDOS, but it's almost time for the regular season to begin.
I guess some of us are just a little more grounded in reality than others.
GoGoGadget
All-Star
CaminoChaos said:I didn't want to trade Bibby!!!!!!!!! Brick you were wrong. Maybe I did need to make the disclaimer bigger.
I'm curious, then, what was the point of this thread? To start an argument for no reason whatsoever? Because, disclaimer or no, you clearly have a very defined position on this topic.
And, since you do have a a solid position, what was the point of the disclaimer? To stop people from saying mean things? To fall back on the "Well, I didn't really mean it," excuse?
Sheesh. If you're going to start a discussion, at least have the cajones to stick to your guns.
GoGoGadget wins the thread.GoGoGadget said:
CaminoChaos
Bench
Exactly, If we were able to trade Bibby and a couple contracts for KG you guys wouldn't be saying I'm crazy would you? Besides thats the only way I would trade him is if we got a bigger star in return.
PG - Hart
SG - Bonzi
SF - Peja
PF - KG
C - Miller
Nobody thinks that line up is "idiotic".
With that said, like I said before I hope Adelman gets Hart some good minutes.
No Doubt. I think Brick is the only one to give a legitimate reason why he thinks Hart wouldn't be a sufficient starter.
Jerryaki
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VF21 said:In my mind, we're back to the old discussion of who would win on JEOPARDY - Superman or Batman?
Well, i'd have to give the edge to Superman. Seeing as how Alex Trebek reads the answers off of either 1) a cue card or 2) a screen on his podium, i's think superman's x-ray vision gives him a clear edge on this one (even adjusting for the fact that he'd be reading the answers upside down and backwards). Now, if they were competing on Wheel Of Fortune, that would easily be Batman as he is pretty much a walking encyclopedia/dictionary/thesaurus (with weapons, martial arts knowledge, and a butler). Back in the day before they changed the letters to television screens, Superman might've had the edge again, owing to that x-ray vision again.
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