Start DeMarcus NOW!!!

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with demarcus starting, the kings are 3-2 (first 3 were on the road) and with dalembert starting the kings are 0-3 (bad losses to Minn and Memphis at home)... the major difference, seems to be in the team energy and confidence... when demarcus is out there, the kings seem to have an "attitude" and the other team have to take notice.... with dalembert, the kings seem flat and disinterested, too passive....

even though demarcus gets into foul trouble, his presence in the post, opens things up for the wing players... he causes the other teams to double him down low.... his passing is also very good for a big man.... nobody fears daly in the post and he can't score at all....

the kings were doing well with demarcus in the starting line up and the team and fans were excited.... since daly started, the team has gone into the tank and everyone has become disinterested, including the team, the city and the fans....

START DEMARCUS NOW PW!!!!
 
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ockingsfan said:
with demarcus starting, the kings are 3-2 (first 3 were on the road) and with dalembert starting the kings are 0-3 (bad losses to Minn and Memphis at home)... the major difference, seems to be in the team energy and confidence... when demarcus is out there, the kings seem to have an "attitude" and the other team have to take notice.... with dalembert, the kings seem flat and disinterested, too passive....

even though demarcus gets into foul trouble, his presence in the post, opens things up for the wing players... he causes the other teams to double him down low.... his passing is also very good for a big man.... nobody fears daly in the post and he can't score at all....

the kings were doing well with demarcus in the starting line up and the team and fans were excited.... since daly started, the team has gone into the tank and everyone has become disinterested, including the team, the city and the fans....

START DEMARCUS NOW PW!!!!
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Granted, I'm less worked up than most of you, but is this really even a top 5 issue with the Kings right now?
 
Yeah, and not over Dalembert, who basically IS our defense.

Now if you want to argue start DeMarcus now at PF, the though has a certain appeal, although some opponents would kil us.
 
They've definitely played better when Cousins gets more minutes. I get that he's foul prone but I think trial by fire is the best way to correct that. Play him as many minutes as possible, or until he fouls out, whichever comes first and his learning curve will surely progress faster.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
They've definitely played better when Cousins gets more minutes. I get that he's foul prone but I think trial by fire is the best way to correct that. Play him as many minutes as possible, or until he fouls out, whichever comes first and his learning curve will surely progress faster.
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He's leading the entire league in fouls at 4.5fls a game, so that part, at least, has largely been taken care of.
 
ockingsfan said:
with demarcus starting, the kings are 3-2 (first 3 were on the road) and with dalembert starting the kings are 0-3 (bad losses to Minn and Memphis at home)... the major difference, seems to be in the team energy and confidence... when demarcus is out there, the kings seem to have an "attitude" and the other team have to take notice.... with dalembert, the kings seem flat and disinterested, too passive....

even though demarcus gets into foul trouble, his presence in the post, opens things up for the wing players... he causes the other teams to double him down low.... his passing is also very good for a big man.... nobody fears daly in the post and he can't score at all....

the kings were doing well with demarcus in the starting line up and the team and fans were excited.... since daly started, the team has gone into the tank and everyone has become disinterested, including the team, the city and the fans....

START DEMARCUS NOW PW!!!!
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You seem to blame Dalembert. Sorry, but I found your arument not too smart. Dalembert is not the problem why DMC is not starting.
 
Bricklayer said:
Yeah, and not over Dalembert, who basically IS our defense.

Now if you want to argue start DeMarcus now at PF, the though has a certain appeal, although some opponents would kil us.
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how about starting demarcus at center, and let him learn his future position and have dalembert start at power forward..... landry should be coming off the bench, which is a lot better matchup for the undersized pf......

dalembert is not going to give you any offense at pf or center and on defense he would still get rebounds and block shots...

i think demarcus needs to learn with court time and he gives the kings a low post presence when he is in there, that the other team needs to game plan and respect.... thus opening things up for the wings...
 
Bricklayer said:
Yeah, and not over Dalembert, who basically IS our defense.

Now if you want to argue start DeMarcus now at PF, the though has a certain appeal, although some opponents would kil us.
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This.

It will not help anything to start him OVER Dalembert, we will lose out on many early defensive oppurtunties with DMC in at the 5, as his first instinct is to take a damn charge it's so disgusting. But he's young our best bet is to start him next to Dally and try to hide him on defense. Against teams with great 4's(Dallas, Houston, NY, etc..) just have to do the whole trial by fire thing mentioned earlier. We have JT to back up both of these guys, instead he backs up Omri which is something for another thread entirely.
 
ockingsfan said:
how about starting demarcus at center, and let him learn his future position and have dalembert start at power forward..... landry should be coming off the bench, which is a lot better matchup for the undersized pf......

dalembert is not going to give you any offense at pf or center and on defense he would still get rebounds and block shots...

i think demarcus needs to learn with court time and he gives the kings a low post presence when he is in there, that the other team needs to game plan and respect.... thus opening things up for the wings...
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I like the idea. But if it happens we'll have to show some patience because neither one can, at this time, anticipate what the other will do with the ball. In time they will look for each other and should result in a much higher combined point total. I would also expect an improvement on rebounds and defense. No doubt we'll get killed for a few games until they start to gel. Worth a consideration. And speaking of considerations why not get Hassan on the bench 12 and let him get his feet wet?
 
I want DC to start as well. He might as well mesh with Tyreke as much as he can and learn when to attempt a charge/blocked shot and when to just move his feet and go straight up in the air with his hands. It's a learning process and what better way than now while we still are searching for an identity and what players will be here when we can start talking playoffs.
 
I believe that you don't bend to your opponent but you make your opponent bend to you. If someone wants to start a 3 point shooting small quick 4 on Cousins. Then you punish that team by posting that player up on every play until the opponents coach has no choice but to bench him. In my opinion starting Cousins with Dalembert gives the Kings the best chance to win.
 
Bricklayer said:
He's leading the entire league in fouls at 4.5fls a game, so that part, at least, has largely been taken care of.
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Interestingly enough, not one of his fouls last night came because of the man he was guarding. They were all help fouls because somebody else got beat. Not an excuse of course, but it does show the weakness of our perimiter defense. A few things I noticed in last nights game that were also pointed out in another fourm. Cousins missed a defensive switch which led to a basket and Beno threw a tizzy fit on the sidelines. Careful Beno, he's bigger than you are. Twice Cousins got position in the post and Tyreke had the ball looking right at him. Both times Tyreke ignored him. Landry had the ball at the right elbow and was being closely guarded. Cisco was open on the right wing screaming for the ball. Instead of passing the ball Landry forced up a shot. At one point when Tyreke had the ball, Beno who was open on the right side of the basket waved and called for the ball. Tyreke instead went the other way with the ball.

Right now there's not much team work going on with this team. Its almost every man for himself at times. Its gotta stop.
 
Sorry, I've been one of the biggest proponents of starting Cousins since draft day, but after seeing his lack of anything resembling NBA caliber defense, and getting into foul trouble with 8 mins left in the first quarter, it makes zero sense to start him over Dally. To say we have a better record with Cousins starting instead of Dally, and therefor replace Dally as a starter, is incredibly shortsided. The only difference in the last few losses would have been we would hve lost by more than we did because of wide open lanes to the basket.

Now at pf, I would be willing to try. Not sure how it would look on defense though, although a zone would be an option, although not a great option.

The OP is only talking about offense, and Cousins being intimidating in the post. That's true, if he's starting, for about the firsst 4 mins, and then it's right to the bench with 2 fouls. Can't be "feared" from the bench. Also, on defense, which is more important, don't try to tell me Cousins in anywhere near as intimidating as Dally in the paint. Please. Dally blocks shots, alters others, and causes teams to rethink attacking the paint. That's the definition of being "feared" in the paint at the NBA level. Switching Dally and Cousins right now is doing nothing but trading one problem for another. And Dally isn't the problem, but put him on the bench and have Cousins start at the 5, and we have another problem. ZERO defense in the paint from our starters.
 
Tell me about it incredible win today.

Stu Holden is probably the most skilful, composed footballer we've had at Bolton since Youri Djorkaeff. Incredible player. Really pleased he got a goal.

The Elmander goal though, that was something else straight out of the top drawer!
 
UK_King said:
Tell me about it incredible win today.

Stu Holden is probably the most skilful, composed footballer we've had at Bolton since Youri Djorkaeff. Incredible player. Really pleased he got a goal.

The Elmander goal though, that was something else straight out of the top drawer!
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Really was an exciting game. But I'll leave it at that. After all, this is a Kings forum and Cousin thread.
 
Even DMC finally agreed, correctly, Mr. Dalembert should start at C and not him, as was announced from beginning. Sam is simply better overall right now at the this level than young DeMarcus. Cuz should get his 20-25 mins each night and hopefully not continually foul out like some very bad habit. If he does more often than not, then chalk it up as learning experience. Maybe some minutes with both of them together on the court as well, as we've seen already.

Plus, get very raw Whiteside into the mix which will have to be gradual as a designated project. Hopefully, the big 7 footer (really only legit one on the team) will work real hard in practice and continue to hit the weights, because that's probably only way PW is going to be impressed enough to have the kid actually in a uni on game night.

I must say, the idea of going big is relative with no Donte or JT part of the immediate equation - apparently. But, it's not like Landry and DJax at 6'9" are tiny elfs out there. I'm not too worried about DMC, he does not seem too worried about himself, so lets just give him a little time to develop into the consistent, quality big man for the Kings which seems destined - well, according to John Calapari and so many others.
 
Starting him over Dally is not a good idea. That record you threw out is inflated as we were playing awful teams.

Thing is, Cousins at this moment, can't defend a fly. He can't protect the paint, which lead to those teams jumping up in front of us in the first half. Led...key word, of course he wasn't the sole problem.

Now if you want to start him over Landry, I'd be fine with that, but he also tends to pick up fouls like a machine, which either way you look at it, will leave his minutes at the 20 minute range every night.
 
bajaden said:
Interestingly enough, not one of his fouls last night came because of the man he was guarding. They were all help fouls because somebody else got beat. Not an excuse of course, but it does show the weakness of our perimiter defense. A few things I noticed in last nights game that were also pointed out in another fourm. Cousins missed a defensive switch which led to a basket and Beno threw a tizzy fit on the sidelines. Careful Beno, he's bigger than you are. Twice Cousins got position in the post and Tyreke had the ball looking right at him. Both times Tyreke ignored him. Landry had the ball at the right elbow and was being closely guarded. Cisco was open on the right wing screaming for the ball. Instead of passing the ball Landry forced up a shot. At one point when Tyreke had the ball, Beno who was open on the right side of the basket waved and called for the ball. Tyreke instead went the other way with the ball.

Right now there's not much team work going on with this team. Its almost every man for himself at times. Its gotta stop.
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Selfish basketball. That's got to stop pronto. That's not what you want from your two stars, at all. I'll tell you right now, if you want have a list of worries, I'll put that one at the top. The Greene, Landry, and Thompson stuff is insignificant compared to the compatibility of Tyreke and Cousins going forward.
 
rainmaker said:
Sorry, I've been one of the biggest proponents of starting Cousins since draft day, but after seeing his lack of anything resembling NBA caliber defense, and getting into foul trouble with 8 mins left in the first quarter, it makes zero sense to start him over Dally. To say we have a better record with Cousins starting instead of Dally, and therefor replace Dally as a starter, is incredibly shortsided. The only difference in the last few losses would have been we would hve lost by more than we did because of wide open lanes to the basket.

Now at pf, I would be willing to try. Not sure how it would look on defense though, although a zone would be an option, although not a great option.

The OP is only talking about offense, and Cousins being intimidating in the post. That's true, if he's starting, for about the firsst 4 mins, and then it's right to the bench with 2 fouls. Can't be "feared" from the bench. Also, on defense, which is more important, don't try to tell me Cousins in anywhere near as intimidating as Dally in the paint. Please. Dally blocks shots, alters others, and causes teams to rethink attacking the paint. That's the definition of being "feared" in the paint at the NBA level. Switching Dally and Cousins right now is doing nothing but trading one problem for another. And Dally isn't the problem, but put him on the bench and have Cousins start at the 5, and we have another problem. ZERO defense in the paint from our starters.
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Well said. My only quibble is that if you put Cousins at pf he's going to throw up even more outside shots and fall madly in love with that jumper. Once he falls in love, he might never fall out love...
 
Kingster said:
Well said. My only quibble is that if you put Cousins at pf he's going to throw up even more outside shots and fall madly in love with that jumper. Once he falls in love, he might never fall out love...
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Yeah, I'm not sure I want to try Cousins at pf right now. But I think we can agree we should try that before sending Dally to the bench. If Cousins ever get's in shape he might be able to pull it off. Really the difference between Cousins and most pf's is his speed/quickness, although he does have some pretty quick feet, and his weight. If he dropped another 20 lbs, and played at around 260, he might be quick enough to guard most pf's. Of course that's complete speculation on my part, but for a guy who's 280-285, and not in good shape, he already has some very quick feet.

Even now, and I'm being somewhat sarcastic, but how much worse would we be with Cousins at the 4 instead of Landry? Landry for the most part is taking, and missing, long jumpers. he doesn't play defense, and rebounds when he feels like it. If Cousins could stay out of foul trouble, and that's the big if, I'm not so sure it wouldn't be a little better than what we have right now, with Landry being a spark off the bench. No I don't think pf is Cousins natural position, but that's more of a reflection about how I feel about Carl right now.
 
Pretty kewl our only pure PF recieved a DNP last game. Can we just play our players at their natural positions? Looking at our roster you wouldn't think we'd have that problem.

Cousins is our future center, and playing him minutes out of that position would prevent development of that. Can you guys think of another lottery pick that was started at a different position than what he was drafted at?
 
DeMoN said:
Pretty kewl our only pure PF recieved a DNP last game. Can we just play our players at their natural positions? Looking at our roster you wouldn't think we'd have that problem.

Cousins is our future center, and playing him minutes out of that position would prevent development of that. Can you guys think of another lottery pick that was started at a different position than what he was drafted at?
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Er...happens all the time as guys game's just don't translate directly from high school/college/Europe to the pros. Heck LeBron strted as a PG, moved to SG, then finally to SF. Its not that big a deal.

DeMarcus is, or should be, a center. But he has a LOT of skills in common with a rather highly skilled PF. If its out of position for him, its barely out of position jsut because of defenisve concerns. But the again it would be hard to have worse defensive concerns about him than we already do. People are talking about this like he'd be moving to SF. PF is still a power position. Many PFs are betetr post players and rebounders than their centers. And Daly is a roleplayer, not a guy who is going to get in the way by trying to post up every possession himself. Meanwhile since Cousins has no instincts for shutting down the lane, that burden is lifted off of him by having Sam out there with him. Its not Cousins' ideal position, nor his likely final one, but it cetainly within range of his skillset. As long as he doesn't have to chase Rashard Lewis its not an impossibility.

With his foul issues he would only be a platoon guy anyway though. 12 min a half, no matter what position you play him at.
 
Bricklayer said:
Er...happens all the time as guys game's just don't translate directly from high school/college/Europe to the pros. Heck LeBron strted as a PG, moved to SG, then finally to SF. Its not that big a deal.

DeMarcus is, or should be, a center. But he has a LOT of skills in common with a rather highly skilled PF. If its out of position for him, its barely out of position jsut because of defenisve concerns. But the again it would be hard to have worse defensive concerns about him than we already do. People are talking about this like he'd be moving to SF. PF is still a power position. Many PFs are betetr post players and rebounders than their centers. And Daly is a roleplayer, not a guy who is going to get in the way by trying to post up every possession himself. Meanwhile since Cousins has no instincts for shutting down the lane, that burden is lifted off of him by having Sam out there with him. Its not Cousins' ideal position, nor his likely final one, but it cetainly within range of his skillset. As long as he doesn't have to chase Rashard Lewis its not an impossibility.

With his foul issues he would only be a platoon guy anyway though. 12 min a half, no matter what position you play him at.
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If we start both of them, who the hell do we have backup Center though? JT?
 
DeMoN said:
If we start both of them, who the hell do we have backup Center though? JT?
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Sure.

Unlike certain coaches I would be making full and complete use of all of our size. For 48 minutes of every night not spent playing Houston I'd have the bigger team.
 
Eh.. I'd love to keep a big body in the game at all times. Althrough we could run a lot better with Landry and JT in there. Although by the looks of it now we'd be seeing a lineup of Jackson and Landry.. damn.. im imagining all those rebounds now...
 
DeMoN said:
Eh.. I'd love to keep a big body in the game at all times. Althrough we could run a lot better with Landry and JT in there. Although by the looks of it now we'd be seeing a lineup of Jackson and Landry.. damn.. im imagining all those rebounds now...
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Jason stands 6'11". He's a pretty big body, especially against backups.
 
If we did that though, we'd have 2 players playing out of position. Rather just have them play what they were meant to.
 
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