Someone should...

[TehSwimGuy]

Compile a tape of old plays/games/Playoff games (I know the LakersKings Series is on youtube) And send it to Power Balance or however it gets to the Kings facilities, c/o Paul Westphal, and have on it:

Kings plays/games from 1998-2002.

Use it well.


Anyone?

 

[UK_King]

"plays" hmmm interesting concept but lets see how the opposite theory goes for a few more games yet!

 

[TehSwimGuy]

"plays" hmmm interesting concept but lets see how the opposite theory goes for a few more games yet!

Lol I think we misunderstand each other? (or maybe I just misunderstand the quotations ) But I mean just the execution and ball movement playstyle of the old Kings. That is more suitable for the build of this kings, not 1v1 ball

 

[Fear the Putin]

our offense is painful to watch

We look like a bunch of idiots on the floor with our mouths open.
Run a damn play for christ's sake

 

[Glenn]

Our offense ran more plays last night than the two games before. It showed improvement. I'd rather we won but this game wasn't as bad as most people think. The Bulls are good. We aren't. Accept that and move on.

 

[Bricklayer]

Just something to point out, other than that there are a LOT of very effective offenses other than the one we used to run:

we scored 98 last night against a team that led the league in defense last year (we'll have to see this year). We did this with Tyreke shooting 5-12 from the FT line, and our 6'11" center blowing numerous layups around the rim on his way to a 4-16 night. It wasn't pretty, but if we get nothing but an average FT shooting performance from Reke we score 102. We get nothing more than a couple of easy chippees made by Cousins so its 7-16 rather than 4-16 and we score 104. We get both its 108. There was nothing free flowing about what we did last night, but it wasn't nearly as ineffective as people are making it out to be. Our guard line shot 20-41 and combined for 53 points. Cousins was able to get right on the rim. I notice that many Sacramento fans became fans during the Adelman era and grew up thinking that's juat the only way its done. But the point is to put pts on the board, no matter how you do it. And this crew is so talented offensively its closer than you might think to doing just that.

Oh, and I say that BTW as someone who thinks many of our woes could be fixed precisely by trying to run more of the offense through Cousins and occasionally Hayes.

 

[Tyndel]

Our individual Talents will get us points but it is never easy and flowing to build on itself. We will still win more games this year then last but we didn't win as many last year as we should have.

I mentioned in another thread this same idea show the players some old tape not to model our offense off of it but to show them what a good offense can do what sharing the ball can accomplish namely open looks and more efficient easier scoring. We aren't fun to watch. Alot of young teams have the same problems but they run they gun they play no defense and are still fun to watch lose. We aren't we are a painful slow hand throwing grind most of the time.

My brother who hasn't watched the kings in several years watched the Portland game. He asked me the next day if the coach was doing anything and what Rick Adleman was up to.

 

[TehSwimGuy]

Our individual Talents will get us points but it is never easy and flowing to build on itself. We will still win more games this year then last but we didn't win as many last year as we should have.

I mentioned in another thread this same idea show the players some old tape not to model our offense off of it but to show them what a good offense can do what sharing the ball can accomplish namely open looks and more efficient easier scoring. We aren't fun to watch. Alot of young teams have the same problems but they run they gun they play no defense and are still fun to watch lose. We aren't we are a painful slow hand throwing grind most of the time.

My brother who hasn't watched the kings in several years watched the Portland game. He asked me the next day if the coach was doing anything and what Rick Adleman was up to.

Adelman is currently coaching the T-Wolves. It will be interesting to see their roster, which is a contender to make the playoffs, and their coach, vs Westphal and the Kings.

 

[Tyndel]

Nah my point was my brother walked away from the portland game asking me about the coaching not about the players. He asked about the rotations and the offense and he hasn't been following the team and didn't know the players for the most part.

The T-wolves should be interesting to watch this year.

 

[TehSwimGuy]

Nah my point was my brother walked away from the portland game asking me about the coaching not about the players. He asked about the rotations and the offense and he hasn't been following the team and didn't know the players for the most part.

The T-wolves should be interesting to watch this year.

Oh I know. I was just segueing into that point from your mention of Adelman

 

[SacTownKid]

Just something to point out, other than that there are a LOT of very effective offenses other than the one we used to run:

we scored 98 last night against a team that led the league in defense last year (we'll have to see this year). We did this with Tyreke shooting 5-12 from the FT line, and our 6'11" center blowing numerous layups around the rim on his way to a 4-16 night. It wasn't pretty, but if we get nothing but an average FT shooting performance from Reke we score 102. We get nothing more than a couple of easy chippees made by Cousins so its 7-16 rather than 4-16 and we score 104. We get both its 108. There was nothing free flowing about what we did last night, but it wasn't nearly as ineffective as people are making it out to be. Our guard line shot 20-41 and combined for 53 points. Cousins was able to get right on the rim. I notice that many Sacramento fans became fans during the Adelman era and grew up thinking that's juat the only way its done. But the point is to put pts on the board, no matter how you do it. And this crew is so talented offensively its closer than you might think to doing just that.

Oh, and I say that BTW as someone who thinks many of our woes could be fixed precisely by trying to run more of the offense through Cousins and occasionally Hayes.

But the way they were getting those shots were off of broken plays, offensive rebounding, gambling for steals, etc. You can't devise a system based on nothing but situational factors. When you have the kind of talent this team has that is just a disgusting thought! Westphal started his tenure with that in mind and it led to some of the worst basketball ever seen. Even worse than this. But I do agree with the positives you bring up about the last game, when Westphal finally stuck to his main guns and circulated the right guys at the right times they were within one Salmons 3 pointer of making it another miracle comeback potentially.

It will only be fixed by running offense through them. Last year he went to the system he's trying to instill now and the team got scary competitive, the apg figures increased by almost 3 a game (from a league low 20), and Cousins was using his full array of talents. Petrie is Petrie, but it's also true that he kind of lucked into the talent he was able to acquire. There is no way Cousins should have been there at 5. Oh well, good for us!

 

[Warhawk]

Our offense ran more plays last night than the two games before. It showed improvement. I'd rather we won but this game wasn't as bad as most people think. The Bulls are good. We aren't. Accept that and move on.

Agreed. We have had some special circumstances other teams have not (larger number of new players, youngest team in the NBA, most of our starters out for the two preseason games, etc.) that make it hard to compete immediately. We showed some improvement against the Bulls with some actual plays being run. These things take time, people.

 

[mac]

Just something to point out, other than that there are a LOT of very effective offenses other than the one we used to run:

we scored 98 last night against a team that led the league in defense last year (we'll have to see this year). We did this with Tyreke shooting 5-12 from the FT line, and our 6'11" center blowing numerous layups around the rim on his way to a 4-16 night. It wasn't pretty, but if we get nothing but an average FT shooting performance from Reke we score 102. We get nothing more than a couple of easy chippees made by Cousins so its 7-16 rather than 4-16 and we score 104. We get both its 108. There was nothing free flowing about what we did last night, but it wasn't nearly as ineffective as people are making it out to be. Our guard line shot 20-41 and combined for 53 points. Cousins was able to get right on the rim. I notice that many Sacramento fans became fans during the Adelman era and grew up thinking that's juat the only way its done. But the point is to put pts on the board, no matter how you do it. And this crew is so talented offensively its closer than you might think to doing just that.

Oh, and I say that BTW as someone who thinks many of our woes could be fixed precisely by trying to run more of the offense through Cousins and occasionally Hayes.

While it's true that we don't seem to have much of a problem scoring I think that the points we score alone doesn't paint the entire picture. When you're allowing the opponent to score easily in transition, burning what 5 seconds of the game clock each time, you're going to end up with more possessions and thus more shot attempts. When looking at our true "ability" to score we should also take into consideration FG% and FGA. Scoring a 100 points and winning the game shows a greater ability to score than scoring a 100 and losing the game. If we lose, it may just mean that the game was fast paced and thus we got more shots up.

You are spot on about how fans seem to think the only way to be successful is by running the princeton. I know no one here has explicitly said this but it's just the feel you get - how everyone seems to want us to play exactly like the old days, with that much ball movement and all. It's certainly more entertaining to watch, but it isn't the only way to win. In fact, I feel that the Lakers under Phil Jackson really didn't move the ball that much as part of their primary offense. But they still got guys open shots by drawing double teams etc.(and had a superstar). They were however, able to pass the ball beautifully on breaks and when they wanted to. IMO the key to winning is to have a reliable system that achieves the goal of getting the players good, high% shots, coupled with having guys who are willing to be unselfish and capable of moving the ball so as to capitalize on all transition opportunities and ensuring that players get the ball when they are open for a good shot.