so is it clear we need to draft a sf in the draft?

[HereWeStay]

i think its pretty safe that we need to draft a sf in the upcoming draft. salmons is getting old and is washed up, and we personally need a guy who can score, and pass the ball at that position, better yet, defend the 3. harrison barnes would have been perfect for this team but petrie screwed up on this draft..

who is available in the draft that we can pick up at the 3 spot?
or worth trading for? i think salmons is the one who is personally killing this team.
salmon gets so many minutes because we dont have a 3..

 

[VF21]

We have a Personnel Moves forum for the discussion of trade ideas, etc. I'm moving your thread there. Just so you know? This has been discussed numerous times. You might get an idea of how people are feeling if you checked some of the threads in that forum.

 

[Bricklayer]

Its clear we need a new SF. How we acquire him is not so important. And frankly if we as I hope make a pivot toward winning now this offseason, I'd just assume use that pick as trade bait, or at the very least not depend on it to fill a starting spot for us so we have to take time developing another basketball kindergartner.

 

[GoodOldDouwe]

Too bad James Johnson hasn't worked out(yet?). He's a loveable guy, a good teammate and has the right physique to be a really good SF in this league. With that being said, too bad he has a (basketball) IQ of the average soccerplayer(as a European, trust me on this. It's very low) and doesn't shoot the basketball very well. If he could teach himself to score the corner three on a regular basis and just defend, he could be a valuable piece.

 

[Agent23]

We need a veteran point guard. Chauncey Billups would be perfect or even Andre Miller. Players still good enough to contribute and teach the kids how to be professionals and win. Grant Hill would have been nice as a SF for this team as well. This team needs good veterans in the worst way. That and intelligent coaching.

 

[Spike]

This team needs good veterans in the worst way. That and intelligent coaching.

Hey, we have Smart coaching!

 

[Chupacabra]

we need best player available in the draft.

 

[Darth Divac]

I wouldn't take a SF in the draft; I would take a PG. There are a lot of great FA SF's, including one who I think fits us the most, AL-Faroq Aminu. He's defensive minded and can finish arounnd the basket. Our biggest need after SF is PG, and this draft is fairly deep in PG's, with three great ones in the lottery alone.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

who is available in the draft that we can pick up at the 3 spot?

Not many players at all. You're pretty much looking at Otto Porter, who ought to be drafted before we pick. There's also Shabazz Muhammad who is probably too small for the position and will likely end up at SG, can't pass, and also might be gone before we pick. And that's about it unless we go for a foreign player like Saric or Karasev, but I don't know much about them and I imagine our international scouting department is nonexistent at this point. I'd just say that the SFs in this class are not really looking too strong.

 

[hrdboild]

We certainly need a new SF, no question. The draft is one way to do that, and locking in a promising talent for the next 4 years would be ideal provided they are producing enough to justify keeping the starting role. But this is a particularly bad year for the SF position in the draft and next year is a particularly good one. Regardless we need to draft the best talent we can, but all things being equal it might not be a bad idea to fill one of our other holes this year through the draft and look elsewhere for our SF needs. In fact, unless the improbable happens and we actually move up in the draft for a change I wouldn't count on finding a starter this year. There are some intriguing players available, but after the top 4 or 5 guys I don't think any of them are guaranteed starters in the NBA.

 

[DesertFox]

A real SF who can shoot 3's and play D is not hard to find. That is the typical NBA role player, so I'm hoping that is filled by FA. If they sign a stud or trade the pick for a good player I would be thrilled, but that is not necessary.
Salmons then has value as a backup the 2/3 and expiring contract.

 

[Darth Divac]

We could nab Glenn Robinson III. He can hit open shots and defend as well, but the truly great thing about him is his off-the-ball playing style, which is a PERFECT fit on this team. Sure, he'd take a bit of developing to reach his potential, but he screams , "PICK ME!!!" every time I watch him play.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

With all the young talent, it's a shame we still need to find a better guard to pair with Evans, a defensive big to pair with Cousins, and a starting caliber SF.


In this particular draft, our best case scenario is Otto Porter or Nerlens Noel. After that, I suppose you take a shot at one of the guards. I'm a fan of Carter-Williams at the moment.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

we need best player available in the draft.

agreed. if we stuck to that game plan, we'd have lillard instead of trob

 

[KingsFanGER]

I would use the Draft-Pick in a trade to aquire some players who already are accustomed to the NBA. Eric Bledsoe f.e. could be available if the Clips resign Paul and would be the perfect PG for the Kings. Derick Williams is a NBA-caliber-SF who might be available if the Wolves do one more major overhaul. If it would be possible to get NBA-ready-players via a trade i would take these over another young rookie talent the Kings need to develop.

 

[Darth Divac]

Derrick Williams!?! No way he's a SF, he can't shoot and he's too slow! I tell you, GRIII is looking the best option at SF.

 

[hrdboild]

Derrick Williams!?! No way he's a SF, he can't shoot and he's too slow! I tell you, GRIII is looking the best option at SF.

Too slow? Here's a partial list of NBA small forwards who Derrick Williams outperformed in the draft combine speed and agility drills:

Rudy Gay
Evan Turner
Thaddeus Young
Chase Budinger
Andre Igoudala
Gerald Green
Al-Farouq Aminu
Jared Dudley
Ronnie Brewer
Carmelo Anthony
Wesley Johnson
Josh Smith
Trevor Ariza
Corey Brewer
Gordon Hayward
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Jeff Green
Joe Johnson
Kevin Durant

 

[HndsmCelt]

I know the big time college fans love looking to the draft for potential team changing talent, but at this point the pieces we need are not likely to be there, and if they are they will be gone before our 6-12 pick. We have gone to the draft with mixed results the past 5 seasons. Now for better or worse we have two high quality players to show for it DMC and Evens. And the truth is that maybe all we need. NOW what we need are role players, veterans, a GM and Coach with a vision. I say trade the pick, dump most of what we have and get what we need through trades and FA.

 

[Darth Divac]

Gordon Hayward, Joe Johnson, Wesley Johnson and Josh Smith aren't Small Forwards, and I seriosly doubt that he outperformed Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Rudy Gay.

 

[Darth Divac]

I know the big time college fans love looking to the draft for potential team changing talent, but at this point the pieces we need are not likely to be there, and if they are they will be gone before our 6-12 pick. We have gone to the draft with mixed results the past 5 seasons. Now for better or worse we have two high quality players to show for it DMC and Evens. And the truth is that maybe all we need. NOW what we need are role players, veterans, a GM and Coach with a vision. I say trade the pick, dump most of what we have and get what we need through trades and FA.

No one available in picks 6-12? Glenn Robinson the III!

 

[HndsmCelt]

No one available in picks 6-12? Glenn Robinson the III!

Certinly a thought IF he declares and IF we cant make a deal for an experienced vet at the 3 slot. But Glenn in no sure thing and that is the problem with going to the draft once you have franchise players and blueprint for your team...

 

[KingsFanGER]

Loved to watch his father play for the Bucks, but is he really a player who can help us asap? I dont think the Kings have the time to develop another player, cause Evans and Cousins need to be resigned soon. Most likely our 2 cornerstones wont resign, if the franchise continues to stay under the 50% mark for some seasons cause we need to develop another young talent.
DMC and Evans + some proven NBA-Players or some players who are at the same level of development as DMC and Reke (f.e. Bledsoe, Williams) would be our best bet, in my opinion.

 

[hrdboild]

Gordon Hayward, Joe Johnson, Wesley Johnson and Josh Smith aren't Small Forwards, and I seriosly doubt that he outperformed Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Rudy Gay.

All of them were listed as SF's in the statistical draft database. And you may seriously doubt it, but that's why I included the link to the database in my post (invisible though those links may be in the current format). Just move your mouse over the words "Derrick Williams" and "draft combine speed and agility drills" in the first line of that post to find them. Whether you think Derrick Williams is slower than any of them is an opinion. That he is not slower than any of them is a verifiable fact.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Gordon Hayward, Joe Johnson, Wesley Johnson and Josh Smith aren't Small Forwards, and I seriosly doubt that he outperformed Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Rudy Gay.

All you have to do is click on the link hrdboild provided to check the facts. Derrick Williams: 11.03; Carmelo Anthony: 11.40; Kevin Durant: 12.33; Rudy Gay: 11.03 - so that's a tie actually (but Williams did beat Gay in the sprint 3.23 to 3.32). Seriously doubting doesn't really help, just check the facts.

Also, I'm not sure why Williams as a SF beating people you consider to be SGs (Hayward, Johnson, Johnson) in speed "doesn't count" because they're not SFs. They're SGs, so they ought to be even faster.

That said, I'm not really high on the idea Derrick Williams because I don't feel like he's shown himself very well in the opportunities he's been given.

 

[bajaden]

Derrick Williams!?! No way he's a SF, he can't shoot and he's too slow! I tell you, GRIII is looking the best option at SF.

I agree with you on Williams shooting, but Williams is a very good athlete, and certainly a good enough athlete to play the SF position. Glenn Robinson III is only 6'6" tall, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of undersized anything. He's also extremely raw at the moment. He's loaded with potential, but he would be best served to stay in school another year. I'm also tired of Projects.

There's only one SF that I would target that could come in and play right now, and thats Otto Porter, who in all likelyhood will be long gone by the time we pick. Anyone else is going to be a project, which is alright, but doesn't help in the short term. As for trading the pick, I think picks are going to be far more valuable in the coming future. You get a young player for peanuts and you tie him up for 4 years. Its a cheap roster spot that gives you more money to deal with any stars your going to have to pay.

For instance, we have Tyreke and Cousins both coming up for large contracts. You go out and bring in another 7 to 8 million a year player, It becomes more difficult to resign those guys and stay under the luxury tax threshold.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I agree with you on Williams shooting, but Williams is a very good athlete, and certainly a good enough athlete to play the SF position. Glenn Robinson III is only 6'6" tall, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of undersized anything. He's also extremely raw at the moment. He's loaded with potential, but he would be best served to stay in school another year. I'm also tired of Projects.

There's only one SF that I would target that could come in and play right now, and thats Otto Porter, who in all likelyhood will be long gone by the time we pick. Anyone else is going to be a project, which is alright, but doesn't help in the short term. As for trading the pick, I think picks are going to be far more valuable in the coming future. You get a young player for peanuts and you tie him up for 4 years. Its a cheap roster spot that gives you more money to deal with any stars your going to have to pay.

For instance, we have Tyreke and Cousins both coming up for large contracts. You go out and bring in another 7 to 8 million a year player, It becomes more difficult to resign those guys and stay under the luxury tax threshold.

if we are gonna take the OKC leap in the near future, that would certainly fit the plan

 

[hrdboild]

I agree with you on Williams shooting, but Williams is a very good athlete, and certainly a good enough athlete to play the SF position.

Certainly I would agree that the shooting criticism is a fair one regarding Williams. The potential is there, but the percentages aren't where they need to be yet. And it's also fair to question his overall production so far, though he's getting limited minutes. His per36 numbers are pretty solid. But I don't think there's any question he's physically capable of playing the position. My biggest problem with him is that he doesn't really put as much effort into the defensive side of the floor as I would like and there are a lot of big-time scorers at that position he's going to have to try and contain. He's intriguing as a buy-low candidate though, particularly if we're still looking at Salmons or Outlaw next year as the alternatives.

For instance, we have Tyreke and Cousins both coming up for large contracts. You go out and bring in another 7 to 8 million a year player, It becomes more difficult to resign those guys and stay under the luxury tax threshold.

This is a good point. Anticipating large contracts for Cousins and Evans leaves us room for one more player in the $8-10 million range probably. Depending on how we fill the PF position or the other guard position, we may have some money to spend on a veteran SF or not. It's dangerous to commit yourself to overpaying someone right now with so many other holes to be filled. Trying to bring in someone like Igoudala for instance, who's going to want a long-term deal for at least $10 million per, might end up hurting us in the long run if his production starts to decline. Case in point: Gerald Wallace this season, I'm sorry to say.

 

[bajaden]

Gordon Hayward, Joe Johnson, Wesley Johnson and Josh Smith aren't Small Forwards, and I seriosly doubt that he outperformed Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Rudy Gay.

Your not serious are you? Joe Johnson is a 6'7" SF, who can also play SG. Wesley Johnson is a 6'7" SF! Thats the position he played at Syracuse. Gordon Haywood is a SF, and thats the position he played in college. Josh Smith is considered a stretch 4, but is probably more thought of as a PF than a SF.

 

[bajaden]

Certainly I would agree that the shooting criticism is a fair one regarding Williams. The potential is there, but the percentages aren't where they need to be yet. And it's also fair to question his overall production so far, though he's getting limited minutes. His per36 numbers are pretty solid. But I don't think there's any question he's physically capable of playing the position. My biggest problem with him is that he doesn't really put as much effort into the defensive side of the floor as I would like and there are a lot of big-time scorers at that position he's going to have to try and contain. He's intriguing as a buy-low candidate though, particularly if we're still looking at Salmons or Outlaw next year as the alternatives.



This is a good point. Anticipating large contracts for Cousins and Evans leaves us room for one more player in the $8-10 million range probably. Depending on how we fill the PF position or the other guard position, we may have some money to spend on a veteran SF or not. It's dangerous to commit yourself to overpaying someone right now with so many other holes to be filled. Trying to bring in someone like Igoudala for instance, who's going to want a long-term deal for at least $10 million per, might end up hurting us in the long run if his production starts to decline. Case in point: Gerald Wallace this season, I'm sorry to say.

I love Iggy, and would love to have him. But your right, you have to be careful right now to make the right moves. I guess if you believe signing an Iggy would put you over the top, you go for it. What you don't want to become is the next version of the Atlanta Hawks. Good enough to always make the playoffs, but never good enough to win the whole banana, and no capspace left to really make a dramatic change for the better.

 

[kingwin]

dorrell wright?