So 10th pick or worse, who do you pick? (merged)

[walker60]

I really feel it will come down to Hibbert or Hawes. If those are my options I am going with Hawes and here's why:

If you look at their numbers they are very similar, the only difference is that Hawes is doing it as a freshman and Hibbert is doing it as a junior. I think by the time Hawes was a junior he would have improved greatly and his numbers would be much better than Hibbert's junior season.

That said, it is close and I'd be happy with either one of them or Mike Conley. Why anyone even mentions us taking Collison with a lottery pick is beyond belief to me.

 

[Kingster]

If Hibbert is there it is a NO-BRAINER. I would take Hibbert as the Kings as high as 6. The guy is a defensive big man- a legitimate center with size. His offensive game is not there yet, but he is a defensive stud. You could play him alongside Miller- he would erase his defensive mistakes- and the offense could still run through Brad.

Don't get me wrong- I would rather have Oden- but Hibbert is a very nice consolation.

By the wya- he played the final 13 minutes of the UNC elite 8 game with 4 fouls and never fouled out- while blocking 3 shots in that time period- IMPRESSIVE...

If we played Hibbert and Miller together, we'd go from slow to slowest, if that's possible. If they put Salmons at the 3 you'd could put the tevo in reverse and you'd see a faster team.

 

[walker60]

Thing is, assuming Oden comes out, that means:

Oden
Durant
Wright
Horford

likely 1-4

leaving

Noah
Jianlin
Hibbert
Hawes

and that's 8 guys right there. If we are #10 we are screwed as far as having our pick of the litter, but all we need is one or two teams to reach on a Brewer or Julian Wright or somesuch and we could/should have at least one of those bigs listed above fall to us. Not sure who, and maybe every team jsut takes its big and goes home leaving us to sift through the leftover SFs and such, but its not out of line to think that somebody will slip a few slots and be there for us. Just so many available this year.

I bet the Bobcats and Blazers are looking for a wing before they go big. Julian Wright and Brewer are probably likely to go before Hibbert and Hawes. The T'Wolves could be looking to go for Conley as well. My guess is that at least one of Hibbert or Howes will be there. If not, then we would have to look at BAP, in which case Brewer and Wright in most years might be top 5 picks. It wouldn't be a total loss, we would be getting some great talent and it's not like we are trying to make a run next year anyways.

 

[Gary]

OK, at the 10th pick you gotta figure one of these guys will be available....

Listed below are guys that WILL NOT be available at #10;
Greg Oden
Kevin Durant
Brandan Wright
Al Horford

Listed below are the guys that could fall to #10 and below;
Listed per the Kings needs by position;
Yi Jianlian 7'0 PF
Joakim Noah 6'11 PF

Roy Hibbert 7'2 C
Hasheem Thabeet 7'3 C
Spencer Hawes 6'11 C

Al Thornton 6'8 PF-SF

Jeff Green 6'8 SF
Corey Brewer 6'8 SF
Julian Wright 6'8 SF

Mike Conley 6'1 PG

Nicolas Batum 6'8 SG

We will have one of those players to select FOR SURE.. But I am thinking that Jianlian, Hibbert, and Noah will not be available and we will get stuck with a SF, or Hawes and play him at PF...

 

[tjobrien]

I really feel it will come down to Hibbert or Hawes. If those are my options I am going with Hawes and here's why:

If you look at their numbers they are very similar, the only difference is that Hawes is doing it as a freshman and Hibbert is doing it as a junior. I think by the time Hawes was a junior he would have improved greatly and his numbers would be much better than Hibbert's junior season.

That said, it is close and I'd be happy with either one of them or Mike Conley. Why anyone even mentions us taking Collison with a lottery pick is beyond belief to me.

Interesting thought. However, consider the fact that Hawes was a VERY polished players coming out of high school. Has he maxed out his potential? It's something to consider. I think Hibbert will be a much better player defensively, and he's made great strides offensively. I saw them both play a number of times this season. Hibbert's added size (about 3 inches) makes him much more enticing to me.

 

[walker60]

I just feel that once Hawes enters into his 20's he will put on more muscle and gain a little athleticism. Quite frankly I would be happy with either, I just see them as being pretty equal right now and Hawes being younger with a greater chance to improve. I like your point that he was a polished high schooler, but I still think by the time he is a junior he would be putting up numbers much better than what he is now. While Hibbert is a bit taller, Hawes has good size as well. He also has a frame that will allow him to bulk up.

 

[Smills91]

I just feel that once Hawes enters into his 20's he will put on more muscle and gain a little athleticism. Quite frankly I would be happy with either, I just see them as being pretty equal right now and Hawes being younger with a greater chance to improve. I like your point that he was a polished high schooler, but I still think by the time he is a junior he would be putting up numbers much better than what he is now. While Hibbert is a bit taller, Hawes has good size as well. He also has a frame that will allow him to bulk up.

While Hibbert is a Junior, he is a young junior, he's only 20 years old. I have no idea who will be better in the NBA...but either one could be good for the Kings because they have SIZE.

 

[Kingster]

Outside Tiago Splitter don't see many international picks around where we are. Maybe if Zebalin or Tomic enter.

It's going to be interesting. I can't remember a year where Petrie drafted somebody that most people were expecting. Usually, he drafts somebody nobody is expecting.

 

[Kingster]

I'm hoping Hibbert and Noah are picked before the Kings choose. Those are reaches, in my opinion. That just leaves more potential for quality players being available at the Kings slot.

 

[walker60]

While Hibbert is a Junior, he is a young junior, he's only 20 years old. I have no idea who will be better in the NBA...but either one could be good for the Kings because they have SIZE.

Exactly, and that's why I want either of those two!

 

[Kingster]

OK, at the 10th pick you gotta figure one of these guys will be available....

Listed below are guys that WILL NOT be available at #10;
Greg Oden
Kevin Durant
Brandan Wright
Al Horford

Listed below are the guys that could fall to #10 and below;
Listed per the Kings needs by position;
Yi Jianlian 7'0 PF
Joakim Noah 6'11 PF

Roy Hibbert 7'2 C
Hasheem Thabeet 7'3 C
Spencer Hawes 6'11 C

Al Thornton 6'8 PF-SF

Jeff Green 6'8 SF
Corey Brewer 6'8 SF
Julian Wright 6'8 SF

Mike Conley 6'1 PG

Nicolas Batum 6'8 SG

We will have one of those players to select FOR SURE.. But I am thinking that Jianlian, Hibbert, and Noah will not be available and we will get stuck with a SF, or Hawes and play him at PF...

What happens after we trade Artest? Then we have a need at the 3, unless you think Garcia is up to being a starter.

 

[walker60]

What happens after we trade Artest? Then we have a need at the 3, unless you think Garcia is up to being a starter.

This isn't a quick fix. It will take time and we can't fix fill all of our holes at once.

 

[Kingzrool]

I am holding my breath for Jianlian. If he were available still, GP would not pass him up. I just love this kids moves.

 

[Vlade4GM]

It's going to be interesting. I can't remember a year where Petrie drafted somebody that most people were expecting. Usually, he drafts somebody nobody is expecting.

I'm sure we're in store for a very interesting offseason one way or the other.

 

[Warhawk]

It's going to be interesting. I can't remember a year where Petrie drafted somebody that most people were expecting. Usually, he drafts somebody nobody is expecting.

Maybe if we all expect he'll get someone under 6'9", he'll actually go for a talented big? It's the best shot we have right now, I think.

 

[Gary]

What happens after we trade Artest? Then we have a need at the 3, unless you think Garcia is up to being a starter.

I think Garcia can start at the 3. He is a bit undersized, but makes up for it in athleticism, and he can rebound the ball. As much as he would be undersized, and not a good matchup for a bigger SF he would turn the tables on that big SF and play faster than the opposition.

 

[Kingster]

Maybe if we all expect he'll get someone under 6'9", he'll actually go for a talented big? It's the best shot we have right now, I think.

That's not a bad strategy. Even though it's an expectation , I'm thinking he's going to draft someone with a name ending in anovitch, yakovitz, or some similarly sounding name.

 

[Kingster]

I think Garcia can start at the 3. He is a bit undersized, but makes up for it in athleticism, and he can rebound the ball. As much as he would be undersized, and not a good matchup for a bigger SF he would turn the tables on that big SF and play faster than the opposition.

I agree with you. I think next year's going to be Garcia's coming out party. But I have a feeling the brain trust likes him coming off the bench as a 3, 2, or a 1. What's going to be interesting is the interplay between trades, free agency, and the draft. Is Petrie going to have a pretty good notion of the player(s) he's going to get in trades before he heads into the draft? If he gets a young up and coming power forward in a trade, that need gets taken off the table. And if he trades Artest, you need a 3, whether he's a starter or, if Garcia starts, coming off the bench. It's hard to play the trade game based on needs when you really don't know what the needs are going to be.

 

[tjobrien]

That's not a bad strategy. Even though it's an expectation , I'm thinking he's going to draft someone with a name ending in anovitch, yakovitz, or some similarly sounding name.

In Petrie's Sacramento, undersized 2-guard chooses you!


yuck-yuck.

 

[fnordius]

Everybody's list varies, but the closest thing I can figure to a consensus for the first 9 picks (not necessarily in this order) are:

Oden, Durant, B. Wright, Horford, Hibbert, Jianlian, J. Wright, Brewer, and Noah.

That leaves 10-14 looking like:

Green, Conley, Batum, Hawes, Thornton

I can see going for Green if we have a lock on trading Artest, but definitely not otherwise. Batum totally doesn't fit team needs. Thornton might, but may be too much of a tweener to play PF effectively, that's a tough call... Conley clearly would fill a need on our roster, as would Hawes.

All in all, I can't get very worked up about any of these guys. I could live with any of those 5 but Batum, so I guess I'd say that it all depends on what trades will be made in TEAOS.

I hope we do better than #10.

 

[BMiller52]

I think we'll end up at #9 which might be the exact spot IMO to grab Julian Wright. But honestly I have seen a lot of different stuff lately, some mocks have Conley going 8th or so. Others have Hawes at 8 or 9. I've seen a few where Brewer goes like 5th, 6th, or 7th. I dunno.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Question:

If he do end up picking 10th would anyone trade that pick for a 2008 unprotected 1st rounder, and a chance to get rid of Kenny Thomas?

Example:

Kenny Thomas + 10th Pick 2007 for Adonal Foyle + 2008 1st round pick (unprotected)

Or

Kenny Thomas + 10th Pick 2007 for Darius Miles + 2008 1st round pick (unprotected)

In Foyle case according to Hoopshype, his last year is a team option. In Miles case he may never play again and insurance would pick up the remainder of his contract. The reason for this madness is to increase our chance of Derrick Rose or OJ Mayo in 2008, and finish the rebuild 2008. I picked GS or Portland because both teams could end up blowing up next season and having a terrible record.

 

[nbrans]

Question:

If he do end up picking 10th would anyone trade that pick for a 2008 unprotected 1st rounder, and a chance to get rid of Kenny Thomas?

Example:

Kenny Thomas + 10th Pick 2007 for Adonal Foyle + 2008 1st round pick (unprotected)

Or

Kenny Thomas + 10th Pick 2007 for Darius Miles + 2008 1st round pick (unprotected)

In Foyle case according to Hoopshype, his last year is a team option. In Miles case he may never play again and insurance would pick up the remainder of his contract. The reason for this madness is to increase our chance of Derrick Rose or OJ Mayo in 2008, and finish the rebuild 2008. I picked GS or Portland because both teams could end up blowing up next season and having a terrible record.

There's way too much uncertainty to do something like this. Who knows, the Warriors or Blazers could end up being good, and then you're screwed.

However, there is a possibility of packaging the pick and Kenny Thomas for a good player in the $7 million range, it's just a matter of finding a team who's willing to make that Faustian bargain.

 

[fnordius]

My list was based on looking at 4 which are regularly updated and seeing how many put a guy in the top 10. They were draftexpress, espn, nbadraft.net and mynbadraft.com. Some are undoubtedly closer than others, but I figured that using 4 would eliminate most crackpot suggestions.

What percentage of the 4 sites placed these guys in the top 10?
Oden, Durant, B. Wright, Horford, Jianlian, Noah, Brewer, J. Wright: 100%
Hibbert, Conley: 75% (Gave the nod to Hibbert, whose average position was 8, as opposed to Conley's 9.75)
Green: 50%
Batum, Hawes, Thornton, all others: 0%

I'm sure that these lists will change a lot after these guys get measured and tested, and have to play in front of the scouts. Until they do go through that, I hate to even speculate very much about draft picks. I doubly hate getting all worked up about players we can't get, so don't expect me to be very active in these threads for a while. I'd at least like to know what our draft position is going to end up being, 7-11 is a pretty big range.

 

[Bricklayer]

It's going to be interesting. I can't remember a year where Petrie drafted somebody that most people were expecting. Usually, he drafts somebody nobody is expecting.

Cisco. I called that one a month before he drafted him.

This Geoff as mystery man thing is kind of old news. Not really. He's quiet, but you can only live so long on picking Peja Stojakovic -- its a different era and there are no more darkhorse countries where guys aren't scouted anymore.

 

[Gary]

NBADRAFT.NET has Noah going 12 or smoething. That is crazy. His skills aren't the best in the draft but this guy is a leader. Noah has basketball skills, the height to play PF, and the mental make up of a leader. This isn't a player to build around but he can be the type of player that can energize a team, and lead for years to come. Seriously, if he was at #10 or wherever we pick than I would take a chance on him (except at 1-2-3). Plus he plays a position we desperately need.

You got a guy like Yi Jinalin who does not speak english well enough to lead a team. Than you have a guy like Noah who is vocal, and has the skills comprable to Yi. I would rather have Noah imo.

 

[Venom]

NBADRAFT.NET has Noah going 12 or smoething. That is crazy. His skills aren't the best in the draft but this guy is a cheerleader. Noah has basketball skills, the height to play PF, and the mental make up of a cheerleader. This isn't a player to build around but he can be the type of player that can energize a team, and cheerlead for years to come. Seriously, if he was at #10 or wherever we pick than I would take a chance on him (except at 1-2-3). Plus he plays a position we desperately need.

You got a guy like Yi Jinalin who does not speak english well enough to lead a team. Than you have a guy like Noah who is vocal, and has the skills comprable to Yi. I would rather have Noah imo.

Fixed it.

Also, I suppose foreigners can't learn English, or lead by example. Vlade says hi.

 

[Kingzrool]

Fixed it.

Also, I suppose foreigners can't learn English, or lead by example. Vlade says hi.

hahahaha

Seriously Gary, Yi will learn English in no time. And from what I hear Noah is not what Kings want.

Yi Jianlian would help Kings way more than Noah.

 

[16to93]

NBADRAFT.NET has Noah going 12 or smoething. That is crazy. His skills aren't the best in the draft but this guy is a leader. Noah has basketball skills, the height to play PF, and the mental make up of a leader. This isn't a player to build around but he can be the type of player that can energize a team, and lead for years to come. Seriously, if he was at #10 or wherever we pick than I would take a chance on him (except at 1-2-3). Plus he plays a position we desperately need.

You got a guy like Yi Jinalin who does not speak english well enough to lead a team. Than you have a guy like Noah who is vocal, and has the skills comprable to Yi. I would rather have Noah imo.

They're skills aren't even close.

I'm praying the Yi will still be around wherever we draft.

But I seriously doubt it...

 

[Gary]

Meh, Will have to disagree. I have seen enough of Noah to know his rebounding will translate, and leadership ability.

Honestly how many people have seen Yi play more than a handfull of games? It's 90% hype with this guy against an inferior league.