HereWeBoogie
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im really not worried about T Rob. i think once he has a full training camp with the Kings, and more importantly once hes out on the floor with the real Kings NBA roster, i think he will do very well
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Summer league games just are not a good indication of how a player will do in the NBA. You're looking at a very small sample size of games in a very disorganized setting. A player's college career is a much more reliable predictor of NBA success.
For whatever reason, Robinson is playing outside of post, and that is the underlying problem with his performance. He is taking too many jump-shots and is often too far away from the rim to get rebounds. A large part of that is due to the entire offense revolving around four guys standing and watching Jimmer dribble the air out of the ball. Robinson is having to create all of his own looks, and no one on the team is setting him up
For whatever reason, Robinson is playing outside of post, and that is the underlying problem with his performance. He is taking too many jump-shots and is often too far away from the rim to get rebounds. A large part of that is due to the entire offense revolving around four guys standing and watching Jimmer dribble the air out of the ball. Robinson is having to create all of his own looks, and no one on the team is setting him up
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steelevt
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i think i heard on nbatv how it works for those who were nondrafted invites. they get like a game or 2 to audition for the team as well as other teams. the main draft picks and 2nd year players on the team will play all the games they want to, but players like akognon, j. jones, gabriel, nunally etc play a couple games and sit the others so that other non drafted fa get a chance to play. check out the box scores, it isnt a conspiracy set up by mormons or jimmer's parents to make sure jimmer doesnt get upstaged by akognon
His shot was falling, but that was all he was concerned with. Frankly, I expected him to at least try to be something of a point guard during summer league. No one is really questioning his ability to shoot the ball, what I want to see is him show at least some sort of balance between looking for his own shot and getting other players involved. He won't ever be close to a true PG, but he isn't a good enough player to chuck up wild shots every possession the way he did in college.
Whatever fault you find in this team, blame it to the Maloofs, coach, or the player himself. Never-never on the genius Petrie, because he has nothing to do with anything going on this team. He just happens to be a puppet GM and nothing more.
At least, that is what some fans think in this forum.
Some of the stuff you guys come up with is pure hilarity. Since when did being 21 all of a sudden make you old?
Here's what we can take from the 1st 3 games of summer league
1. It's summer league. It's a semi-pro version of your local 5v5 rec game at the gym where u had a week to practice with five guys you've never met before.
2. Trob is a rookie. He will go through growing pains as every single rookie in the history of the NBA has
That's it. I could not care less if Trob went 0-20 with 20 turnovers the rest of the way. Just as I would not care if Trob was pulling down 40-20 a game while decimating his opponents. For rookies, this is nothing more than getting a first exposure to the NBA lifestyle and possibly get a rhythm with a few of your teammates before training camp.
Here's what we can take from the 1st 3 games of summer league
1. It's summer league. It's a semi-pro version of your local 5v5 rec game at the gym where u had a week to practice with five guys you've never met before.
2. Trob is a rookie. He will go through growing pains as every single rookie in the history of the NBA has
That's it. I could not care less if Trob went 0-20 with 20 turnovers the rest of the way. Just as I would not care if Trob was pulling down 40-20 a game while decimating his opponents. For rookies, this is nothing more than getting a first exposure to the NBA lifestyle and possibly get a rhythm with a few of your teammates before training camp.
UK_King
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Trob is just rushing his game too much, last night Jimmer dominated the ball completely, so when Trob finally his hands on the ball he jacked it up from anywhere just to get his shots off.
There's absolutely no offense to speak of either, over three games i think we've gone to trob about three times in the post, He was being guarded by Royce White last night who's "undersized" so i don't see the reluctance to put the ball in his hands down low.
defense as a whole was just horrible, half the time Houston just walked the ball right up the middle.
There's absolutely no offense to speak of either, over three games i think we've gone to trob about three times in the post, He was being guarded by Royce White last night who's "undersized" so i don't see the reluctance to put the ball in his hands down low.
defense as a whole was just horrible, half the time Houston just walked the ball right up the middle.
I disagree. While you shouldn't bother with stats, you can find out certain skills that a player has by watching him play. So far, TRob has not impressed me. That tells me that he is not as good as some people made him out to be right now. You watch Motiejunas and you can see good post moves. So far all I've gotten out of watching Trob is that he runs pretty fast, but doesn't ever bother trying to challenge shots. He's always trying to get a steal down low instead of jumping up.
That certainly doesn't mean that Robinson is a bust or that he won't be a good player, but it does give me a clearer idea of what kind of production to expect from him when the season starts.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Who says that? I'd really like to know. Because my read on him, as well as others, is that he's a project. The T-Robb you see a couple years from now isn't going to be what we're seeing now. He's not close to fully defining his game. My read on T-Robb is that he's going to back up Thompson this year, get maybe 20 minutes a game, average about 7-10 pts, +/- 7 rebs a game, and look like a rookie for the most part. It will definitely help him to play with a legit point guard. He'll have his moments were he helps the team and others where he just doesn't. I wouldn't get too worked up about his performance in the summer league or his rookie season.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Regarding Jimmer, he got his game going with drives to the basket. But in NBA games he's just not going to be able to drive consistently and get those type of shots because of his lack of foot speed. He's going to be relegated much more to outside shooting. So I just don't see how the things he did well in this game transfer to the NBA game. Like some of the announcers were talking about in the last few games, it wouldn't be surprising to see Jimmer end up on a team with a much more structured offense where he could use his talents. San Antonio, for example.
King Baller
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I don't see the Kings trading Jimmer anytime soon, unless a team wants Jimmer and is willing to give up a very good Veteran for him.
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Hadlowe
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Unfortunately, a trade is probably what's best for him and the team at this point. Being stuck at the end of the bench on a lottery team that is a bad fit because of roster logjam is bad enough. Couple that with a lack of veteran presence to help him develop and you have the worst possible situation for him and the Kings. If Kings could unload him in a package to get a starting 3, it would be a good move for him and the team.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Sure, but does anybody think Jimmer has any real trade value only a year after he was drafted? He's approaching full on bust at this point, and the impression is that his own team has given up on him. He could maybe be part of a large package as a throw in or something, but he's not bringing us back a starter at any position.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
With Jimmer, he may not end up being traded. He may end up just being waived in a year and some team with a more structured offense takes him. I don't see any team in the league giving a very good veteran for Jimmer.
Fear the Putin
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I think some of you are underestimating Jimmer's market value. Quite possibly the only reason we drafted him is to bring in sales following his BYU career. Granted, that has fizzled out, but many around the league see the Kings as a trainwreck. They may also see a possible explanation into Jimmer's low production & being stuck on a team with too many guards and me first guys.
Now, I'm not saying he would been ROY had he not been on our team, but Jimmer isn't some slacking individual who believes everything will be handed to him on a silver platter. To suggest that he may be waived and has no trade value is ludicrous. There are many big market teams, teams with legitimate coaches that would absolutely love to trade for a natural scorer. Jimmer will get over his confidence issues and then the rest will come naturally.
Now, I'm not saying he would been ROY had he not been on our team, but Jimmer isn't some slacking individual who believes everything will be handed to him on a silver platter. To suggest that he may be waived and has no trade value is ludicrous. There are many big market teams, teams with legitimate coaches that would absolutely love to trade for a natural scorer. Jimmer will get over his confidence issues and then the rest will come naturally.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Guys like Jimmer bomb out of the league all the time. ALL THE TIME. Undersized SGs stuck in PG bodies are a dime a dozen. And with Jimmer's dribbling woes more or less foreclosing the possibility of him making it as a PG, there's hardly a market for those guys. People complained bitterly when I put up Jimmer's numbers next to Douby's, Price's etc., but that is what this is looking like. Except this version isn't a great athlete and can't defend. It ain't over until the BBW sings and all that, but nobody's going to be knocking down our door looking for a guy that people had doubts about on draft night, and for whom the doubts now seem confirmed.
Fear the Putin
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Noted, but at the same time Jimmer still has the name recognition and a devoted cult following. It's still a business at the end of the day, so teams such as Utah and NY would no doubt trade for Jimmer and set him up in a position to succeed...to an extent. They wouldn't have him handling the ball, but rather play off the ball in an effort to give him opportunities to exploit. Then any minor success would get the Jimmer cult rolling again, which would in turn generate $$.
I mean look how electric the crowd got when Jimmer was going off yesterday against the Houston SL. The Jimmer name is synonymous with being an unconscious scorer.
I think it's the opposite. People are overvaluing his trade value. You really think Jimmer could bring in a starting SF? If that was the case, Petrie would have done that in a second without even thinking. Jimmer is going to need to shoot 38%+ from 3 and play acceptable defense to stay in this league. At this point, even the guys in summer league run circles around him. I don't see him even becoming a poor mans JJ Redick. Like Brick said, he's a SG stuck in a PG's body. No one questions his work ethic or character, it's his on court skills that are in question. I'm willing to give him a couple more years since he did improve quite a bit each year at BYU but I'm not hopeful of anything special happening.
gatoradeSD
G-League
Jimmer scored around 30 ppg in college. I think people forget that. thats why people would be willing to take a chance on him. Players who scored 30 ppg in college arent a dime a dozen
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Big scoring combo guards are a dime a dozen in college, that's their realm. Douby was at 25. Price at 24. Think Lillard this year was 25. Jimmer was 28 or 29. Its the M.O. I posted all those guy's college stats together earlier this summer, and they all look like very much the same player.
The bigger issue with all those guys and the many more are the "other things". Can they make anybody better. Can they defend anybody. Just running down court and chucking up long jumpers is not a valuable team trait in the NBA.
Edit: Here were those stats:
Quincy Douby 6'3" 175lb Small College Stats:
25.4pts (.462 .401 .847) 4.3reb 3.1ast 1.8stl 0.8blk 2.8TO
Ronnie Price 6'2" 185lb Small College Stats:
24.3pts (.476 .359 .789) 4.2reb 3.0ast 1.8stl 0.2blk 3.0TO
Jimmer Fredette 6'2" 196lb Small College Stats:
28.9pts (.491 .396 .894) 3.4reb 4.3ast 1.3stl 0.0blk 3.5TO
Damian Lillard 6'3" 189lb Small College Stats:
24.5pts (.467 .409 .887) 5.0reb 4.0ast 1.5stl 0.2blk 2.3TO
Nobody's taking away Jimmer's college acheivements. Its just that its increasingly likely that 50 years form now when he looks back those college glory years will be the ones he looks back to.
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gatoradeSD
G-League
like 29.9 so basically 30. 5 points per game is a big difference
BYU played against much, much better competition that any of the other 3. The MWC was and is a very good basketball conference. BYU also play good teams OOC. Jimmer may or may not make it in the NBA but he didn't put up 30 a game because he played against weak competition.
steelevt
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