should the kings make a run at kwame brown

[Big Cuz 15]

he's in the wizards doghouse and has some skills, desperately needs a scenery change, what do you guys think?

 

[tbear03]

I would say no. I think Kwame Brown is horrendous and a huge disappointment to the league at large, not to mention the Wizards.

 

[VF21]

In a word, "No."

 

[Bricklayer]

Depends on what it would take to get him. Which is probably still too much as a former #1 overall.

 

[Gary]

Hmm, probally wouldnt be too hard to get a guy like that. If we signed a backup PG, than traded Christie and Songalia for Brown and Dixon?

 

[piksi]

In a word, "No."

in two words, " Hell No"

 

[Kingsgurl]

Financial constraints kept me from renewing my league pass this year, so I haven't watched him much this year, has he vastly improved or something? Because before he had hands of stone and the basketball IQ of a gnat.

 

[Gary]

You know Brown had a 30 point 19 rebound night against us? LOL.

 

[Gary]

Isn't it like Petrie to give King killers a chance?

 

[thedofd]

Hmm, probally wouldnt be too hard to get a guy like that. If we signed a backup PG, than traded Christie and Songalia for Brown and Dixon?

Don't know if you'd need another backup PG if you got Dixon in that deal. He can play both spots fairly effectively, I believe.

The thing about Kwame is that he's athletic and can play both PF and C. He went for 30 points and 19 rebounds against Kings last March, so he's not exactly a lost cause.

I know he has issues, but that may have something to do with his surroundings and injuries, too. If the price was right and you were a potential contender looking for something to put you over the top, Kwame might not be a bad way to go.

 

[KP]

You know Brown had a 30 point 19 rebound night against us? LOL.

Not sure if that was last season, but this year when I was at the game Dec 21 he had 1 whole point... impressive! At least he's improving each year right?

 

[thedofd]

Not sure if that was last season, but this year when I was at the game Dec 21 he had 1 whole point... impressive! At least he's improving each year right?

Kwame's been, to say the least, mediocre this year. Then again, if he was playing great, we wouldn't be having a discussion about his availability.

It's a risk vs. reward question, and I'd submit that the reward is potentially high. The question is, what's the risk? In other words, what would it take to get him? I'm not real keen on giving up a starter, Christie or anyone else. But if there was a package of backups that might work ...
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Washington trades: PF Kwame Brown(6.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.7 minutes) PG Juan Dixon(6.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 13.6 minutes) Washington receives: C Greg Ostertag(1.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.2 minutes) PF Darius Songaila(5.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 17.1 minutes) SF Matt Barnes(3.0 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.2 minutes) Change in team outlook: -2.2 ppg, +3.9 rpg, and -0.2 apg.
Sacramento trades: C Greg Ostertag(1.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.2 minutes) PF Darius Songaila(5.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 17.1 minutes) SF Matt Barnes(3.0 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.2 minutes) Sacramento receives: PF Kwame Brown(6.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.7 minutes) PG Juan Dixon(6.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 13.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +2.2 ppg, -3.9 rpg, and +0.2 apg.TRADE ACCEPTED

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Washington has been known to make mistakes: you could argue that drafting Kwame was one; so, too, was trading Webber to the Kings for Mitch Richmond. Maybe the Wizards would be making a mistake trading Kwame.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

Kwame Brown is a dissapointment. The wizards chose him num. 1 overall from high school and he hasnt been what people think he will be. The Kings shouldnt even be thinking of getting this guy!

 

[VF21]

Any trade that involves losing Tag is not going to make our team better, IMHO.

 

[Brewer16]

No..we dont even need another forward

 

[Bibby_Is_Clutch]

Can I offer my opinion here?

After much deliberation, I have come to a decision, NO.

 

[thedofd]

Any trade that involves losing Tag is not going to make our team better, IMHO.

I think acquiring Tag was a good move and that he can and will help the Kings. I'm just concerned that Rick is uncomfortable using him as often as not. I'm not indicting either Rick or Tag; it's just a fact. Brown can play both 4 and 5 and is more athletic, and thus might be of more value in the rotation.

 

[RaY Z]

id easily prefer brown over darius as a backup0 but once again i think brown would be to expensive... unless we made a trade which i dun think is a good idea... unless it was darius for brown which will never happen...

 

[VF21]

I think acquiring Tag was a good move and that he can and will help the Kings. I'm just concerned that Rick is uncomfortable using him as often as not. I'm not indicting either Rick or Tag; it's just a fact. Brown can play both 4 and 5 and is more athletic, and thus might be of more value in the rotation.

I don't think it's a matter of RA being uncomfortable. I think it's a matter of not putting him in when the "match-up" isn't right in RA's opinion. Brown is not a proven commodity by any means - in fact, he's a disappointment to a lot of people. Tag is a proven shot-blocker and rebounder, and - as pointed out in another thread -we didn't get him to play in every single game. We got him to play against teams like the Spurs, Dallas, etc.

Kwame Brown would not fulfill the same role as Tag and we'd be in even worse shape than we were before Ostertag came to the team.

But that's just my three cents...

 

[HndsmCelt]

Very bad idea, all the skills of no name and all the contract of real player. Fugget abouit.

 

[Kev.in]

I think the Kings are one of the last teams out there that needs to be adding an underachiever and possibly lazy player. He could turn out to be pretty good, but he isn't worth the bother in acquiring him and then "reconditioning" him too.

 

[Bricklayer]

I would ratehr have him than Darius just based on much higher potential. he can easily get Darius's numbers, but still has a chance to be considerably more as well.

But I'm just not willing to give much up for him. There's a decent chance he ends up out of the league in a few years, and if not that, that he ends up just being a mid-bencher for somebody. Certainyl I don't think we could possibly give guys like Tag or Christie to get him -- not if we are still holding out any hope of contending this year.

 

[Evenstar]

if the kings could get him for nothing( ie no one good) , yes i would try to get brown. otherwise no

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I would ratehr have him than Darius just based on much higher potential. he can easily get Darius's numbers, but still has a chance to be considerably more as well.

But I'm just not willing to give much up for him. There's a decent chance he ends up out of the league in a few years, and if not that, that he ends up just being a mid-bencher for somebody. Certainyl I don't think we could possibly give guys like Tag or Christie to get him -- not if we are still holding out any hope of contending this year.

Unfortunately, we can't get Brown for Songaila...

I don't know about not being willing to trade Ostertag for him, though; I think that he has the potential to be a good shot blocker, if he were playing in the right system. I think a trade to a team like Sacramento might do him some good. I think that Ostertag is a good player, for what we have him here to do, but I don't think that we can't do better... Hell, I'd rather have a healthy Pollard than Ostertag...

Incidentally, we could get Brown for Ostertag, and either Barnes or Evans.

 

[HndsmCelt]

This is a guy that averages 16 min a game during which he delivers .15 blocks 2 fouls and 1.4 TO and you want to trade Tag for him? Ok what ever.

 

[Bricklayer]

Unfortunately, we can't get Brown for Songaila...

I don't know about not being willing to trade Ostertag for him, though; I think that he has the potential to be a good shot blocker, if he were playing in the right system. I think a trade to a team like Sacramento might do him some good. I think that Ostertag is a good player, for what we have him here to do, but I don't think that we can't do better... Hell, I'd rather have a healthy Pollard than Ostertag...

Incidentally, we could get Brown for Ostertag, and either Barnes or Evans.

Tag is an absolute GUARANTEED shotblocker/rebounder -- he basically can't avoid doing it at his size.

Kwame might be. Maybe. Depending on his mood. He'll never be as good as Tag though, and only a fraction of his intimidating presence. Tag's career = 20.7min 1.82bpg, Kwame's = 22.5min 0.71blk.

It all depends on what you are trying to do -- if you're seriously trying to win a championship THIS year, well this team just flat out NEEDS to have a shotblocker or we will fail. We simply can't do it without one. And so Tag is a necessity. Or another guaranteed shotblocking stud of that caliber. If you trade him away, there is simply no other player ont he team with a prayer of matching his productivity or intimidation. And that includes Kwame even if he dramatically steps it up.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

This is a guy that averages 16 min a game during which he delivers .15 blocks 2 fouls and 1.4 TO and you want to trade Tag for him? Ok what ever.

Right... because we've *never* had a player come here and do significantly better than he did elsewhere; that's *never* happened...

[/sarcasm]

Kwame Brown clearly has potential. Unfortunately for him, there's not much between his ears, but it wouldn't be the first time we made a serviceable player out of someone else's throwaway...

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

It all depends on what you are trying to do -- if you're seriously trying to win a championship THIS year, well this team just flat out NEEDS to have a shotblocker or we will fail. We simply can't do it without one. And so Tag is a necessity. Or another guaranteed shotblocking stud of that caliber. If you trade him away, there is simply no other player ont he team with a prayer of matching his productivity or intimidation. And that includes Kwame even if he dramatically steps it up.

Any chance we can con Milwaukee out of Gadzuric?

 

[HndsmCelt]

Right... because we've *never* had a player come here and do significantly better than he did elsewhere; that's *never* happened...

[/sarcasm]

Kwame Brown clearly has potential. Unfortunately for him, there's not much between his ears, but it wouldn't be the first time we made a serviceable player out of someone else's throwaway...

Point taken, but then again guys that never do anythign have tons of potnetial. Tag is delivering the goods I'd hate to trade him for Brown.

 

[Bricklayer]

Any chance we can con Milwaukee out of Gadzuric?

Perhaps. But for who again?

Not sure where the idea came from though that we needed to replace Tag. Tag is NOT the problem. He can get it done in our weak areas if he's just on the floor. He's been to the big dance before. Twice actually. Not a kid. not an unproven guy. Big ole shotblocking and rebounding lug. Unless some other player can match his productivity while simultaneouosly stealing minutes from either Webb or Miller, its not going to help us.

Mentioned this before -- the biggest key might actually be Tag vs. Darius. I think Darius is a handy player to have around. I also think that if he keeps Tag off the floor that Darius may actually end up hurting our chances in the end. No a player in the NBA remotely intimidated by a Miller/Webber/Songaila frontcourt. Heck I wouldn't be intimidated by a Miller/Webber/Songaila frontcourt.