'Sheed rule with last night's game
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I like the new rule. Leave the complaining to the coaches. As biased as refs can seem sometimes when they make a bad call, they are incompetent all around so bad calls go both ways.
Also players as role models throw around one too many F bombs for everyone to hear. Not like the crowd is any better (as seen by Celtics' loyals last night chanting BS loud an clear after a questionable call).
Also players as role models throw around one too many F bombs for everyone to hear. Not like the crowd is any better (as seen by Celtics' loyals last night chanting BS loud an clear after a questionable call).
Actually a good thing -- shows that even the big stars are playing on the same field as the little guys.
Guys will learn, and on our team in particular I think this might actually help Brad and Reef in particular keep some semblance of focus rather than stop to pout and whine about every single made call, missed call, nocall etc. Just play the damn game.
While I like the new rule (they should just play), from what I have seen so far, the officials are taking this a step further than the league intended. There is supposed to be a bit of tolerance, but I am not seeing much tolerance thus far (at least as far as the guys who have been given a second T and tossed. In other words, some officials seem to be letting this new found power go to their already swollen heads. 
But that's where the problem is. Some of these techs that have been handed out haven't been for complaining...if a player makes a big play and is excited and shows any emotion..he gets a T. Even if he makes a face..not even at a ref, without saying anything...another T. I thought they were supposed to give a warning at least...not just willy-nilly handing out techs right and left.
Why didn't Sam Cassell receive one after complaining a lot about a "no call"?
If there's excessive whining...T 'em up, no doubt...but don't take all the passion and emotion from the game.
It needs to be fair across the board of course.. Will it be, no way Kobe will not be called for the same as Mo..Just like all the other calls.
But overall I like this rule. I hate seeing players / any players argue a call that is just dumb. Like its going to be overturned, I say keep the trap shut and move on.
But overall I like this rule. I hate seeing players / any players argue a call that is just dumb. Like its going to be overturned, I say keep the trap shut and move on.
While I like the new rule (they should just play), from what I have seen so far, the officials are taking this a step further than the league intended. There is supposed to be a bit of tolerance, but I am not seeing much tolerance thus far (at least as far as the guys who have been given a second T and tossed. In other words, some officials seem to be letting this new found power go to their already swollen heads.
A player in baseball is immediately tossed for arguing balls and strikes. You can question and get a reply to help your next at bat, but no arguing.
Personally, I think basketball should be the same. You can say to the ref "hey, watch 32, he's tugging on my jersey and holding me" or "why was that a foul? What could i have done to not make it a foul?"
I like football the most - only the captains of the teams are allowed to discuss things with the refs. But, basketball doesn't have the same number of breaks as football, so it doesn't work.
Count me in favor of the rule and the way it's being used.
Yelling, screaming, crying and throwing tantrums doesn't show that you care ... it shows that you're out of control and gives a bad impression on most fans.
The fans are paying for a good game. I don't think anyone says: "Hey, I'm going to see Brad Miller whine about calls during a basketball game! Sheesh, that Brad Miller shows so much emotion!"
The fans are paying for a good game. I don't think anyone says: "Hey, I'm going to see Brad Miller whine about calls during a basketball game! Sheesh, that Brad Miller shows so much emotion!"
Cook got one for bouncing the ball off of the padded part of the stanchion after a foul was called on him. That was the lamest one I've seen yet, he wasn't even looking at or saying anything to a ref, so how do they determine it wasn't merely frustration with himself?
Otoh, Mo Evans had a "sure T" outburst at the end of the 1st half of the Suns game that the refs ignored -- maybe because the half had just ended, but then again, who knows.
I'm sure we're gonna have a lot of discussions about the inconsistency of the rule's application this year. It'd be interesting to see a running thread w/ examples from around the league on what should and shouldn't have been Ts.
Otoh, Mo Evans had a "sure T" outburst at the end of the 1st half of the Suns game that the refs ignored -- maybe because the half had just ended, but then again, who knows.
I'm sure we're gonna have a lot of discussions about the inconsistency of the rule's application this year. It'd be interesting to see a running thread w/ examples from around the league on what should and shouldn't have been Ts.
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I saw one thing at the end of the cav's and wizards game, After the buzzer sounded and the cav's won, lebron threw the ball high into the air and then it ended up in the crowd...i think i remember a little rule from last year stating that if the ball goes into the stands its an automatic suspension, or was is just an ejection? It shouldn't matter whether the game is over or not, the ball is still going into the stands.
My only beef with the new low tolerance rule is that you are going to have the refs determining the outcome of games. The tolerance of one ref may be very different from another, we are all human with different reactions.
My only beef with the new low tolerance rule is that you are going to have the refs determining the outcome of games. The tolerance of one ref may be very different from another, we are all human with different reactions.
Like THAT's never happened before.
I have mixed feelings about the change. While I wish players would SHUT UP when a reasonable call goes against them, I can't say that I'm wild about the way rules are intended to stifle all criticism. People ought to be able to say that Dick Bavetta should never get within a block of an important game. We may have more appearance of good officiating now, but I don't see anything to make me think that the officiating will be any better. On the contrary, the last disincentive for hideous reffing just went away.
I have mixed feelings about the change. While I wish players would SHUT UP when a reasonable call goes against them, I can't say that I'm wild about the way rules are intended to stifle all criticism. People ought to be able to say that Dick Bavetta should never get within a block of an important game. We may have more appearance of good officiating now, but I don't see anything to make me think that the officiating will be any better. On the contrary, the last disincentive for hideous reffing just went away.
I thought it was funny on the TNT postgame show last night where, ironically enough, Kenny, Charles and Miller were all whining about how unfair this rule is, while the new Dr. Evil Ernie played the role of the fan and tried to defend it.
The league will have to eliminate the gray areas (ok, yelling after a dunk shouldn't be a T), but should definitely focus on dishing out T's to players who protest calls incessantly. I for one will take satsifaction as the other team gets free throws when Iverson looks at the refs with that ready-to-break-out-in-tears face, when Duncan turns to the officials with that pathetic puppy dog eyes look, and when Cassell badgers the refs on every call. Was I the only one shaking my head when in the playoffs last year Cassell got called for 8 seconds and protested the call? How can a guy complain about the clock moving from 24 to 16?
I think this rule is to benefit the fans. It shouldn't matter to the players. Really, when was the last time a player argued and a foul was reversed? Never. So why complain? It slows down the game and promotes poor sportsmanship.
The league will have to eliminate the gray areas (ok, yelling after a dunk shouldn't be a T), but should definitely focus on dishing out T's to players who protest calls incessantly. I for one will take satsifaction as the other team gets free throws when Iverson looks at the refs with that ready-to-break-out-in-tears face, when Duncan turns to the officials with that pathetic puppy dog eyes look, and when Cassell badgers the refs on every call. Was I the only one shaking my head when in the playoffs last year Cassell got called for 8 seconds and protested the call? How can a guy complain about the clock moving from 24 to 16?
I think this rule is to benefit the fans. It shouldn't matter to the players. Really, when was the last time a player argued and a foul was reversed? Never. So why complain? It slows down the game and promotes poor sportsmanship.
The rule they NEEDED to put in place was:
The flop rule.
If a ref sees a player and believes he is flopping it is a technical foul akin to the 3-second defense dealie. Further, it's a TO if you're on offense.
I can't stand watching 7 footers fly 22 feet when a 6'1" PG bumps them. I'm not physics guru, but the math doesn't seem to add up.
The flop rule.
If a ref sees a player and believes he is flopping it is a technical foul akin to the 3-second defense dealie. Further, it's a TO if you're on offense.
I can't stand watching 7 footers fly 22 feet when a 6'1" PG bumps them. I'm not physics guru, but the math doesn't seem to add up.