'Sheed rule with last night's game

[Greenspan 101]

I didn't catch the Kings game last night, but what was the degree of Bibby's complaining? Personally, I love the new rule b/c guys seem to be getting back on D faster and it makes for a more fluid game, but was Bibby's ejection justified? Just curious.

 

[Burrito06]

He was arguing the call while the ball was in play on the first technical and the second was when he flicked his wrist in a forget it manner. I dont think that the second was justified. Just an official trying to make an example.

 

[Jechtsphere]

they are going to be extremly strict now, you can look at them the wrong way and get a tech...Sheed will probably be tossed quite a few times lol.

 

[VF21]

In all fairness, it was Derrick Stafford who tossed Bibby. And I strongly suspect Mike just might have dropped the "F" bomb as he turned away ...

 

[BMiller52]

This is kinda OT but Carmelo Anthony just got ejected vs LAC.

 

[vj9999]

I like the new rule. Leave the complaining to the coaches. As biased as refs can seem sometimes when they make a bad call, they are incompetent all around so bad calls go both ways.

Also players as role models throw around one too many F bombs for everyone to hear. Not like the crowd is any better (as seen by Celtics' loyals last night chanting BS loud an clear after a questionable call).

 

[Bricklayer]

This is kinda OT but Carmelo Anthony just got ejected vs LAC.

Actually a good thing -- shows that even the big stars are playing on the same field as the little guys.

Guys will learn, and on our team in particular I think this might actually help Brad and Reef in particular keep some semblance of focus rather than stop to pout and whine about every single made call, missed call, nocall etc. Just play the damn game.

 

[10bibby10]

why u gotta use tha D bomb bricklayer???? hahahah j/k... i think the new tollerance of the officials is good!

 

[6th]

While I like the new rule (they should just play), from what I have seen so far, the officials are taking this a step further than the league intended. There is supposed to be a bit of tolerance, but I am not seeing much tolerance thus far (at least as far as the guys who have been given a second T and tossed. In other words, some officials seem to be letting this new found power go to their already swollen heads.

 

[Jechtsphere]

Early on guys will get ejected early until they learn I guess, if they make a call I guess the players will have to act like nothing happened, no emotion.

 

[6th]

Early on guys will get ejected early until they learn I guess, if they make a call I guess the players will have to act like nothing happened, no emotion.

How can they play totally devoid of emotion? You could end up with a bunch of overpaid millionaires that don't really care. I don't think that is what the fans are paying for.

 

[Jechtsphere]

Exactly but it seems if you react to a call the official is going to "T" you up.

 

[6th]

Exactly but it seems if you react to a call the official is going to "T" you up.

Yep! That's what it is looking like to me. I still think they are a bit "trigger happy."

 

[hoopsfan]

I like the new rule. Leave the complaining to the coaches. As biased as refs can seem sometimes when they make a bad call, they are incompetent all around so bad calls go both ways.

Also players as role models throw around one too many F bombs for everyone to hear. Not like the crowd is any better (as seen by Celtics' loyals last night chanting BS loud an clear after a questionable call).

But that's where the problem is. Some of these techs that have been handed out haven't been for complaining...if a player makes a big play and is excited and shows any emotion..he gets a T. Even if he makes a face..not even at a ref, without saying anything...another T. I thought they were supposed to give a warning at least...not just willy-nilly handing out techs right and left.

Why didn't Sam Cassell receive one after complaining a lot about a "no call"?

If there's excessive whining...T 'em up, no doubt...but don't take all the passion and emotion from the game.

 

[BigWaxer]

It needs to be fair across the board of course.. Will it be, no way Kobe will not be called for the same as Mo..Just like all the other calls.

But overall I like this rule. I hate seeing players / any players argue a call that is just dumb. Like its going to be overturned, I say keep the trap shut and move on.

 

[Roman]

While I like the new rule (they should just play), from what I have seen so far, the officials are taking this a step further than the league intended. There is supposed to be a bit of tolerance, but I am not seeing much tolerance thus far (at least as far as the guys who have been given a second T and tossed. In other words, some officials seem to be letting this new found power go to their already swollen heads.

I don't know if they are.

A player in baseball is immediately tossed for arguing balls and strikes. You can question and get a reply to help your next at bat, but no arguing.

Personally, I think basketball should be the same. You can say to the ref "hey, watch 32, he's tugging on my jersey and holding me" or "why was that a foul? What could i have done to not make it a foul?"

I like football the most - only the captains of the teams are allowed to discuss things with the refs. But, basketball doesn't have the same number of breaks as football, so it doesn't work.

Count me in favor of the rule and the way it's being used.

 

[Roman]

How can they play totally devoid of emotion? You could end up with a bunch of overpaid millionaires that don't really care. I don't think that is what the fans are paying for.

Yelling, screaming, crying and throwing tantrums doesn't show that you care ... it shows that you're out of control and gives a bad impression on most fans.

The fans are paying for a good game. I don't think anyone says: "Hey, I'm going to see Brad Miller whine about calls during a basketball game! Sheesh, that Brad Miller shows so much emotion!"

 

[Gargamel]

they are going to be extremly strict now, you can look at them the wrong way and get a tech...Sheed will probably be tossed quite a few times lol.

Sheed did get ejected in their opener.

 

[Gargamel]

Yep! That's what it is looking like to me. I still think they are a bit "trigger happy."

I knew the refs would love this. As long as they're consistent one way or the other, most fans can deal with it I bet (including me). If they pull back the reins later in the year when the games start to "count more", it'll be lame.

 

[Gargamel]

But that's where the problem is. Some of these techs that have been handed out haven't been for complaining...if a player makes a big play and is excited and shows any emotion..he gets a T.

Cook got one for bouncing the ball off of the padded part of the stanchion after a foul was called on him. That was the lamest one I've seen yet, he wasn't even looking at or saying anything to a ref, so how do they determine it wasn't merely frustration with himself?

Otoh, Mo Evans had a "sure T" outburst at the end of the 1st half of the Suns game that the refs ignored -- maybe because the half had just ended, but then again, who knows.

I'm sure we're gonna have a lot of discussions about the inconsistency of the rule's application this year. It'd be interesting to see a running thread w/ examples from around the league on what should and shouldn't have been Ts.

 

[Roman]

If they pull back the reins later in the year when the games start to "count more", it'll be lame.

Or if "star players" get special treatment.

It's stupid to treat the best players in the league differently. They are the ones that should require the least help.

They don't get the same foul treatment and I don't expect this to stick with them either.

 

[nbrans]

I think the differences you're seeing is due to body language. You can talk to the ref, but you can't wave your arms like an idiot. I really like the new rules. The Kings have always been one of the whiniest teams in the league, and it's embarassing. Just shut up and play!

 

[hoopsfan]

I don't know if they are.

A player in baseball is immediately tossed for arguing balls and strikes. You can question and get a reply to help your next at bat, but no arguing.

Personally, I think basketball should be the same. You can say to the ref "hey, watch 32, he's tugging on my jersey and holding me" or "why was that a foul? What could i have done to not make it a foul?"

I like football the most - only the captains of the teams are allowed to discuss things with the refs. But, basketball doesn't have the same number of breaks as football, so it doesn't work.

Count me in favor of the rule and the way it's being used.

But they're not being allowed to do even that without getting a T. It seems that they can't say anything at all...most of the time..maybe? See what I mean..it's already inconsistant.

 

[jrahn]

I saw one thing at the end of the cav's and wizards game, After the buzzer sounded and the cav's won, lebron threw the ball high into the air and then it ended up in the crowd...i think i remember a little rule from last year stating that if the ball goes into the stands its an automatic suspension, or was is just an ejection? It shouldn't matter whether the game is over or not, the ball is still going into the stands.
My only beef with the new low tolerance rule is that you are going to have the refs determining the outcome of games. The tolerance of one ref may be very different from another, we are all human with different reactions.

 

[VF21]

I'm sure we're gonna have a lot of discussions about the inconsistency of the rule's application this year. It'd be interesting to see a running thread w/ examples from around the league on what should and shouldn't have been Ts.

(First, NICE avatar. )

Now, about that thread? I think it sounds great. And since you brought it up... well?

 

[fnordius]

My only beef with the new low tolerance rule is that you are going to have the refs determining the outcome of games.

Like THAT's never happened before.

I have mixed feelings about the change. While I wish players would SHUT UP when a reasonable call goes against them, I can't say that I'm wild about the way rules are intended to stifle all criticism. People ought to be able to say that Dick Bavetta should never get within a block of an important game. We may have more appearance of good officiating now, but I don't see anything to make me think that the officiating will be any better. On the contrary, the last disincentive for hideous reffing just went away.

 

[Greenspan 101]

I thought it was funny on the TNT postgame show last night where, ironically enough, Kenny, Charles and Miller were all whining about how unfair this rule is, while the new Dr. Evil Ernie played the role of the fan and tried to defend it.

The league will have to eliminate the gray areas (ok, yelling after a dunk shouldn't be a T), but should definitely focus on dishing out T's to players who protest calls incessantly. I for one will take satsifaction as the other team gets free throws when Iverson looks at the refs with that ready-to-break-out-in-tears face, when Duncan turns to the officials with that pathetic puppy dog eyes look, and when Cassell badgers the refs on every call. Was I the only one shaking my head when in the playoffs last year Cassell got called for 8 seconds and protested the call? How can a guy complain about the clock moving from 24 to 16?

I think this rule is to benefit the fans. It shouldn't matter to the players. Really, when was the last time a player argued and a foul was reversed? Never. So why complain? It slows down the game and promotes poor sportsmanship.

 

[Roman]

The rule they NEEDED to put in place was:

The flop rule.

If a ref sees a player and believes he is flopping it is a technical foul akin to the 3-second defense dealie. Further, it's a TO if you're on offense.

I can't stand watching 7 footers fly 22 feet when a 6'1" PG bumps them. I'm not physics guru, but the math doesn't seem to add up.

 

[Lamar_Odom]

Guys will learn, and on our team in particular I think this might actually help Brad and Reef in particular keep some semblance of focus rather than stop to pout and whine about every single made call, missed call, nocall etc. Just play the damn game.

Why do players like those need a rule change when they are paid millions of dollars to do what they want to do? I've never understood this, care to shed some light?

 

[Gargamel]

The rule they NEEDED to put in place was:

The flop rule.

If a ref sees a player and believes he is flopping it is a technical foul akin to the 3-second defense dealie. Further, it's a TO if you're on offense.

The league's hype machine has invested too much into the Phx Suns for that to happen. Every guard and SF on that team flops.