Shareef in Sacramento (visiting)

[nbrans]

From today's New York Daily News:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/326924p-279486c.html



Shareef rejects
Milwaukee bucks



The Nets got good news when Shareef Abdur-Rahim turned down a $47 million pact to join the Milwaukee Bucks, according to his agent.

Aaron Goodwin said yesterday his client still is searching for the best possible deal and ideal situation. Milwaukee, meanwhile, will give its five-year, $47 million offer to the Clippers' Bobby Simmons.

Sacramento, San Antonio and Miami can - like the Nets - offer Abdur-Rahim their mid-level exception worth roughly $5 million. But unlike those teams, the Nets can offer Portland their trade exception, worth nearly $5 million, in a sign-and-trade for Abdur-Rahim.

The exception is attractive for capped out teams and can be packaged with cash and or draft picks. The Nets likely will have to execute a sign-and-trade to land Abdur-Rahim since it would allow him to sign a six-year contract worth up to $38 million. That is a year and $10 million more than teams can offer the 6-9 power forward through the mid-level exception. "It comes down to Portland," Goodwin said. The Nets cannot afford to wait too long for Abdur-Rahim, who is currently visiting Sacramento, to make up his mind. Their trade exception expires on July 29 and free agent power forwards Donyell Marshall and Stromile Swift - the Nets' second options - might be off the market by then.

 

[nbrans]

Hey, Shareef is in Sacramento.

However, this article makes no sense to me on many levels. One, if Milwaukee offered Shareef $47 for five years, you have to assume that's his market value. Why would he turn that down and take $38 for six? It's not like Milwaukee won't be a winning team. Either Goodwin is lying about the Bucks' offer to drive up his value (shocker) or $47 for five is his market value.

Two, the Daily News is obviously trying to stoke Jersey fans, but I hardly see how they're going to be able to come up with something the Blazers are going to take in a S&T. A trade exception that expires on July 29th? I doubt the Blazers are burning up the phone lines for that one.

Three, the Daily News makes it sound like the trade exception alone is going to make this deal happen, but that's obviously not the case. It's going to take another player to give Shareef more than the MLE.

But hey, what should I expect, it's the Daily News...

 

[vj9999]

At first I was going to say put "?" at the end of the title so people don't get confused, but since he is in Sacramento visiting, that title makes perfect sense

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

Hey, Shareef is in Sacramento.

However, this article makes no sense to me on many levels. One, if Milwaukee offered Shareef $47 for five years, you have to assume that's his market value. Why would he turn that down and take $38 for six? It's not like Milwaukee won't be a winning team. Either Goodwin is lying about the Bucks' offer to drive up his value (shocker) or $47 for five is his market value.

Two, the Daily News is obviously trying to stoke Jersey fans, but I hardly see how they're going to be able to come up with something the Blazers are going to take in a S&T. A trade exception that expires on July 29th? I doubt the Blazers are burning up the phone lines for that one.

Three, the Daily News makes it sound like the trade exception alone is going to make this deal happen, but that's obviously not the case. It's going to take another player to give Shareef more than the MLE.

But hey, what should I expect, it's the Daily News...

Not All Players want the cash, the guy has been on a losing team almost his entire career, i think he wants to win and be apart of something...

 

[thesanityannex]

very true^^^^^^^'
i'd be sick of losing too.

 

[piksi]

maybe he has some relatives there which he is visiting at the moment

(one can only hope)

 

[KingKong]

Well I think it's almost always about the $$$, but in SAR's case it could be as you hinted, him wanting to be on a winning team, especially after so many years of losing with awful teams.

 

[nebs]

How well did he and Bibby get along in the Grizzly days?

 

[VF21]

There was an article a couple of days ago where both SAR and Bibby said any talk about them not getting along in Vancouver was blown out of all proportion and was, in fact, ancient history...

BTW nebs? If you're interested in returning to play NFL Fantasy Football, you need to reserve your spot.

 

[y2kings]

that is actually the offer they gave to bobby simmons...thus it only makes sense that he was truely offered the $47 million. he probably turned it down, giving the nets hope because he wants to go to an Established team with a chnace to contend...not a promising team with potential.

 

[funkykingston]

maybe he has some relatives there which he is visiting at the moment

Reef's family is from Georgia.

His scholarship at Cal had more to do with his faith than anything else.

 

[JB_kings]

Don't forget that Shareef's wife has family in this part of the state. IIRC, they met in Berkley.

 

[captain bill]

If it's true he's looking for a winning team, it's far more likely that he'll go to the Heat over the Nets or Kings. The Heat seem interested, especially because they may lose Haslem. From a financial point, all 3 seem in a similar situation and will need to swing sign and trades with Portland to grab him.

 

[funkykingston]

Don't forget that Shareef's wife has family in this part of the state. IIRC, they met in Berkley.

I didn't know that. What I do know is that stupid Bozeman robbed me of the chance to see Abdur-Rahim play another year or two (or three) at Cal.

 

[SLAB]

I really don't want 'Reef...

If we are going to move forward, why do we want a soft, 29 year-old, who isn't much of a defender?

We would just be regressing back into our old ways, and that may win us 50 games, but it won't give us any success in the post-season.

 

[funkykingston]

I'd love to have Abdur-Rahim if he comes at a decent price (both from a trade and contract standpoint) and then use Peja as bait for a big man. Chandler and change would be fantastic as far as I'm concerned.

I've been on the fence as far as trading Stojakovic, but with the inflated market established by Redd, I'd rather see Peja traded than lost for nothing or signed to a near max deal.

 

[SLAB]

I'd love to have Abdur-Rahim if he comes at a decent price (both from a trade and contract standpoint) and then use Peja as bait for a big man. Chandler and change would be fantastic as far as I'm concerned.

I've been on the fence as far as trading Stojakovic, but with the inflated market established by Redd, I'd rather see Peja traded than lost for nothing or signed to a near max deal.

Okay, I'd 100% change my views if the Kings could nab Chandler for Peja. The guy is a rebounding stud, and he didn't even get huge minutes last year!!! Plus, he's a heckuva lot younger.

Then you s&t Mobley for Kwame.

Then you got a team that would look pretty decent, in the long run.

Bibby/Jackson
Martin/Cisco/??
Rahim/Evans
Chandler/K-9/Brown/Skinner?
Miller/Tag/Brown/Skinner

Then you can quite possibly have huge improvments out of both Chandler/Brown/Shooting Guard spot. This team definatly wouldn't win now, but if the players pan out like they could, we could be good in the future....But then there's the flip side, and everyone could flop, and we be stuck as a loser.

But back to the mattter at hand...Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Rahim whine about being played as a Small Forward last year?

 

[funkykingston]

But back to the mattter at hand...Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Rahim whine about being played as a Small Forward last year?

As I recall, Shareef was upset about NOT playing SF. The Blazers wanted him to bulk up to be a full-time PF and backup Randolph which Abdur-Rahim didn't want to do.

 

[Alacron]

As I recall, Shareef was upset about NOT playing SF. The Blazers wanted him to bulk up to be a full-time PF and backup Randolph which Abdur-Rahim didn't want to do.

Hmm... I remember it the way SLAB does... I thought he wanted to play PF. I'd be happy to have him as a SF, but he's not the "big man" answer for us.
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[ParniValjak]

Hmm... I remember it the way SLAB does... I thought he wanted to play PF. I'd be happy to have him as a SF, but he's not the "big man" answer for us.
~~

Correct. Even his agent said in one of the articles the other day, that SAR isn't overly keen on Orlando because Howard plays his position.

SAR wants to play as a PF. If he wanted to play as a SF then why would he be considering Nets where he would be behing Jefferson and Carter.

 

[Yoda]

As I recall, Shareef was upset about NOT playing SF. The Blazers wanted him to bulk up to be a full-time PF and backup Randolph which Abdur-Rahim didn't want to do.

He slimmed down last year so he could play small forward.

 

[nbrans]

Antoine Walker: 6'9" 245 pounds
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: 6'9" 245 pounds

Why is everyone so convinced Shareef is a small forward?? He's a power forward. He had his best years as a power forward. He wants to play power forward. If Antoine Walker happened to play out of position in Dallas as a small forward and just becuase he can handle the ball and jack up threes, would you be arguing that he's really a small forward? Somehow I doubt it. Why is everyone convinced Shareef is a small forward??

Sorry. I'm getting worked up about this.

 

[Alacron]

Antoine Walker: 6'9" 245 pounds
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: 6'9" 245 pounds

Why is everyone so convinced Shareef is a small forward?? He's a power forward. He had his best years as a power forward. He wants to play power forward. If Antoine Walker happened to play out of position in Dallas as a small forward and just becuase he can handle the ball and jack up threes, would you be arguing that he's really a small forward? Somehow I doubt it. Why is everyone convinced Shareef is a small forward??

Sorry. I'm getting worked up about this.

Size isn't everything.

Stop giggling.

Peja is the same size and weight as Stromile Swift, but no one is lobbying for Peja to move to PF (thank God).

If you play big, you can play the big boys' position. Look at Ben Wallace, Elton Brand, Kenny Thomas, Bobby when he plays the 2, etc. If Shareef is on our team with the current lineup, he'd better be playing SF.
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[nbrans]

I understand that size isn't everything, but someone still needs to explain to me why Shareef Abdur-Rahim's game is more suited to the 3 than the 4. Simple as that. I still think Antoine Walker is a good comparison. He can run the floor, he's not the best defender, he can sort of shoot threes, does that make him a 3? Nope.

Quite simply, what does Shareef Abdur-Rahim do for you at the 3 that's better than what he does at the 4?

 

[Yoda]

Size isn't everything.

Stop giggling.

Peja is the same size and weight as Stromile Swift, but no one is lobbying for Peja to move to PF (thank God).

If you play big, you can play the big boys' position. Look at Ben Wallace, Elton Brand, Kenny Thomas, Bobby when he plays the 2, etc. If Shareef is on our team with the current lineup, he'd better be playing SF.
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I followed you to here, then you lost me. Rahim's game is not small. He is a power forward, he has said as much.

 

[captain bill]

Okay, I'd 100% change my views if the Kings could nab Chandler for Peja. The guy is a rebounding stud, and he didn't even get huge minutes last year!!! Plus, he's a heckuva lot younger.

Then you s&t Mobley for Kwame.

Then you got a team that would look pretty decent, in the long run.

Bibby/Jackson
Martin/Cisco/??
Rahim/Evans
Chandler/K-9/Brown/Skinner?
Miller/Tag/Brown/Skinner

Then you can quite possibly have huge improvments out of both Chandler/Brown/Shooting Guard spot. This team definatly wouldn't win now, but if the players pan out like they could, we could be good in the future....But then there's the flip side, and everyone could flop, and we be stuck as a loser.

But back to the mattter at hand...Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Rahim whine about being played as a Small Forward last year?

I can't imagine that team playing much more defense than we have now, and having significantly less offensive output. The only way that team works is if Garcia and Reefer break out into fantastic players at their positions. I like Chandler a lot, but for some reason I can't see all those pieces fitting together. More like a fantasy league team than an NBA team in my opinion, mostly because of trying to get Reef to play a new position and having almost no experience at SG.

 

[Gary]

Yah, I have watched him play for some time, and his game is not the game of a small forward. Hell, I feel Rasheed Wallace plays SF type ball more so than a SAR does.

 

[ParniValjak]

Just because SAR has outside game as part of his offensive output that DOESN'T make him a SF. For crying out loud he had post game]. He has some of the best low post moves in the league and is quite comfortable in the low post. In fact he plays his best basketball as a PF. The reason people see him as a SF is because he isn't a great rebounder for a PF and he has some outside game so he is able to play SF but it doesn't mean he is one.

SAR is by far most comfortable as a PF and not a SF. Period.

 

[funkykingston]

I haven't watched him as much the last couple years, but I still think Shareef had his best years in Vancouver where he was playing small forward.

I like him better at small forward because he is very effective posting up other 3's, whereas when guarded by PFs he has to rely more on his jump shot. Maybe I'm naive to think that the Abdur-Rahim of five years ago could return to play for the Kings, but that guy scored by slithering around the baseline, something he can't really do as effectively at PF.

Do I have the Portland situation backwards? I thought he was asked to bulk up, but it seems that most here think he was asked to slim down. To be honest, I didn't follow the NBA as much as in years past for a variety of reasons.

Anyway, I've already decided I'm not going to worry about what Petrie does or doesn't do this summer. If he brings in Shareef, fine. If not, fine. If he does become a King, then Adelman can decide where he wants to play him.

 

[Bricklayer]

Antoine Walker: 6'9" 245 pounds
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: 6'9" 245 pounds

Why is everyone so convinced Shareef is a small forward?? He's a power forward. He had his best years as a power forward. He wants to play power forward. If Antoine Walker happened to play out of position in Dallas as a small forward and just becuase he can handle the ball and jack up threes, would you be arguing that he's really a small forward? Somehow I doubt it. Why is everyone convinced Shareef is a small forward??

Sorry. I'm getting worked up about this.

Because if he's a PF he's just about the softest in the league. There is a reason he has zero impact on the game and lsoes everywhere he goes. And no, his best years, the years when people were still interested and excited about him, were as a SF. He was a physical force there. An inside/outside threat that physically overpowered the people guarding him. Since becoming a PF his stock has dropped dramatically, and other than being an idiot, not sure why he can't make the connection himself.

People in Sacramento have been Peja-ized into thinking that SF = three point shooting. That doesn't have to be at all. As a PF Shareef is soft and plays small. His defense is atrocious, and he can be outbanged and outtoughed by every natural PF in the league. As a SF he's big and has a physical advantage. He can overpower SFs in the post, and on the other end isn't going to get embarrassed by being overpowered himself. He's a very good rebounder for a SF. He's a tweener, a perfect fit at neither spot. But if you give me a choice of a guy soft as butter at PF (at PF mind you -- should be the toughest S.O.B. on the whole damn team!) or a guy who's physically overpowering at SF, I'll take the overpowering SF thank you. The Spurs have expressed an itnerest in Reef (the World Champs) -- where do you think they are going to play him? 6th man SF/PF or pure SF as Bowen ages. If you're a serious team, that has to be where he fits.