Shareef Abdur-Rahim (merged)

[Kings113]

Kenny was fine as a short-term guy, but no way can we have him at the four long-term. He doesn't wanna come off the bench either. Trade him to Spurs for a wall for Mo Evans to stay inside the Sacramento area.

I think it's real close now between Wells and Evans. With Wells seeming to have the edge right now. I'd be sad to see Maurice go, but Wells brings what the Kings need at SG, like Mo would of, only more experience.

I'd love to get Brand, he'd be best replacement to Webber, but it seems unlikely to me that he goes away.

BTW, Reggie Evans isn't what we need? Yes he is, indeed. He brings a lot of rebounding (had his break-out year defensively last season, wasn't too much before that), toughness, and hustle. No shot-blocking, but Miller, likely skinner, and o-tag/another player can do that. Evans doesn't have much offense, but there is plenty of it already in the starting five, and likely will be on the roster. The Radmanovic controversry in Seattle right now could very well be the end of Reggie in Seattle.

 

[Peja4threee]

Nets agree to deals with Abdur-Rahim, Robinson

Associated Press
National Basketball Association News Wire



NEWARK, N.J. -- Free agent forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim has agreed to play for the New Jersey Nets, a person familiar with the negotiations said Thursday.

The Nets also have reached agreement with forward Clifford Robinson, the person within the league said on condition of anonymity.

Contract terms were not available.

Free agent deals cannot be officially announced until the league's new collective bargaining agreement is signed, something expected to occur within the next week.

The 6-foot-9 Abdur-Rahim played in 54 games last season for Portland, averaging 16.3 points and 7.5 rebounds. In a nine-year career with Vancouver, Atlanta and the Trail Blazers, he has averaged 19.8 points and 8.1 rebounds.

Abdur-Rahim's agent, Aaron Goodwin, did not immediately return a call requesting comment.

The Nets acquired the 6-foot-10 Robinson from Golden State in February for two second-round draft picks, and he averaged 6 points and 3.3 rebounds in 29 games.

The addition of Abdur-Rahim, a 2002 All-Star, to a team that already includes Jason Kidd, Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson would give the Nets one of the stronger offensive lineups in the Eastern Conference.

The Nets also worked out Atlanta Hawks forward Chris Crawford this week, team president Rod Thorn said Thursday.

New Jersey finished third in the Atlantic Division with a 42-40 record in 2004-2005 and was swept in four games by Miami in the first round of the playoffs.

 

[Peja4threee]

Since SAR is now out of the picture, we need to go after

Bonzi Wells and Theo Ratlif. Bonzi is athletic, can score, post up, rebound and defend all items the teams lack. Theo can rebound and block shots, a couple years ago he led the NBA in blocks. I think with the additions of those two and a training camp together the team can still be real good.

Bibby - BJAX - PG
Bonzi - Martin - SG
Peja - Garcia - Williamson SF
Miller - Skinner - TAG - C
Thomas - Ratlif - PF

Theo can also play Center.

 

[VF21]

Actually, SAR isn't out of the picture until the contract is signed. We have a couple of threads going about this already, so I'm going to merge this one rather than splinter the discussions already underway.

 

[Peja4threee]

yes he is out of the picture, it was JUST reported on ESPN!

 

[VF21]

yes he is out of the picture, it was JUST reported on ESPN!

He isn't out of the picture until the contract is signed. Does the name Carlos Boozer mean anything to you?

Teams can reach TENTATIVE agreements with players/agents right now, but they cannot actually sign contracts until the CAB is ratified. That was originally scheduled for tomorrow, July 22, but is now apparently delayed for at least a week and possibly longer.

Until the contract is signed, the verbal agreement between parties is just that - a tentative verbal agreement. It isn't legally binding by either party.

Traditionally, teams and players honor their verbal agreements but the Carlos Boozer - Cleveland/Utah experience should make it clear that it's not cast in stone...

 

[Kings113]

This furthers more SAR will be a Net.

Petrie will get Brand/Boozer/R. Evans/Nene for the starting PF spot.

Or less likely I think (since this was done because we had to), move Brad to the four and get a center.

Thomas - No.

Bonzi Wells and Theo Ratlif. Bonzi is athletic, can score, post up, rebound and defend all items the teams lack. Theo can rebound and block shots, a couple years ago he led the NBA in blocks. I think with the additions of those two and a training camp together the team can still be real good.

Bibby - BJAX - PG
Bonzi - Martin - SG
Peja - Garcia - Williamson SF
Miller - Skinner - TAG - C
Thomas - Ratlif - PF

Theo can also play Center.

You're crazy if you think Kenny Thomas will be our starting PF. He was real solid short-term, but you know in the long-term (all season), he can't be it and will not be it vs. Duncan/KG/Brand/Boozer/K-Mart, Nene/Amare, Thomas.

KT will be dealt.

 

[captain bill]

Nets and Blazers now agreed to a S&T. SAR officially off the table, barring something really sneaking where he signs with the Blazers and then gets traded to Sac for something better than what the Nets are offering.


We won't get Nene for sure, Denver has pretty much rejected all our offers for him up til now, and I assume Petrie has moved on. Boozer I also think will not be traded.

 

[BibityBobtyBoom]

i wish you were right 113, that would be so awesome to get one of those guys, especially brand.

 

[Bricklayer]

Nets and Blazers now agreed to a S&T. SAR officially off the table, barring something really sneaking where he signs with the Blazers and then gets traded to Sac for something better than what the Nets are offering.

And there it is.

Well, if SAR was the holdup, let's move on to Bonzi now and get something done. Could blow up in our face, but really is one of the best and most realistic ideas of the offseason so far. A move that actually addresses some of our needs -- imagine that!

 

[VF21]

Since I never really wanted SAR anyway, I'm going to quit playing devil's advocate...

although it would be hella cool if the sign-and-trade ended up sticking it to the Nets. (I'm incredibly and completely bored!)

 

[BibityBobtyBoom]

yeah, stupid nets!

 

[captain bill]

I just really, really want that to happen to a player some time. For all the times players whine and gripe and shaft their teams, it would be hilarious for a player to sign thinking he's getting shipped somewhere and end up somewhere completely different. Like the Hawks. Not that I think the team owners are saints or anything, just that it would be very, very amusing.

 

[LPKingsFan]

The Nets can have SAR, but if the Clips screw with Petrie's plans for Bonzi...

 

[PFFFT!!]

whats up with all the bad luck man, gee wiz, no way Petrie does nothing this summer. Just never happens.

 

[captain bill]

Your avatar really amuses me PFFFT. Is that a toy Dylan McDermot you've got there? Looks like something from Conan...or the internet, somewhere.

 

[VF21]

It's Peja in a Yugo...

 

[captain bill]

Now I see the little Kings uni, at least I think I do. It still looks like Dylan McDermot to me though.

 

[Kings113]

The Nets can have SAR, but if the Clips screw with Petrie's plans for Bonzi...

Clippers said in their paper or something a week ago, that they wanted Bonzi AND SAR for their bench. SAR didn't happen, and neither will Bonzi.

Clippers were crazy then, and isn't likely they get Bonzi for their bench now.

Though I wouldn't really mind, because Maurice would surely be signed and start.

 

[ParniValjak]

Correct me if I am wrong BUT doesn't the trade exception that Nets have expire on the 29th of July?????? If thats the case and if as reported players can't sign until the 1st of August, then Nets could very well miss out on SAR via S&T. If the exception expires before players can sign then they simply don't have one to offer to Portland and the deal is off.

Anyone??????

 

[whozit]

Good point. ^^^^

 

[Bricklayer]

Correct me if I am wrong BUT doesn't the trade exception that Nets have expire on the 29th of July?????? If thats the case and if as reported players can't sign until the 1st of August, then Nets could very well miss out on SAR via S&T. If the exception expires before players can sign then they simply don't have one to offer to Portland and the deal is off.

Anyone??????

That is a good point. Or at least I think it is. Things are a mess right now. But hard to imagine the Nets, with Thorn as Stern's longtime righthand man, wouldn't have checked that before doing the deal. Maybe the exemptions are being extended by the leage? Or maybe the moratorium is going to abruptly end here in the next few days and the Nets got assurances.

 

[ParniValjak]

That is a good point. Or at least I think it is. Things are a mess right now. But hard to imagine the Nets, with Thorn as Stern's longtime righthand man, wouldn't have checked that before doing the deal. Maybe the exemptions are being extended by the leage? Or maybe the moratorium is going to abruptly end here in the next few days and the Nets got assurances.

I checked on realgm and Nets exception does expire on the 29 accoring to their records. As you said the league might have extended those exceptions. Things are so messy right now that anything is possible as things can be easily overlooked in the big scheme of things.

 

[whozit]

If that was the case, it would be totally bogus. There were some exceptions that had experation dates during the "dead" dates and they don't get bonus time. I believe the Kings had one of those from the loss of Wallace in the expansion draft. One year is 365 days not 370 or something else becomes something else is inconveniant.

The other thing was the media coverage on the agreement. A lot of the sources are the undisclosed "insider" type. The commitment from Shareef was also in what context? Either a S&T (possibly with anybody) or will accept the MLE from Jersey? Or was it NJ either thru the S&T or MLE? Since the Kings made public their desire, has there been any comments from the SAR camp?

How did his agent not know that the Kings were willing to work something? Was he not doing his job or is there a history between Goodwin and the Kings?

 

[Bricklayer]

If that was the case, it would be totally bogus. There were some exceptions that had experation dates during the "dead" dates and they don't get bonus time. I believe the Kings had one of those from the loss of Wallace in the expansion draft. One year is 365 days not 370 or something else becomes something else is inconveniant.

I don't really think it would be unfair -- teams picked up those trade exemptions with the expectation that they would be able ti use them up through the end of the next year's FA period. Only because of dickering over details and contract drafting problems have exceptions which SHOULD, in any other year, have been very useful after the normal Jul 15th date suddenly been renderend partially inert. Would be only fair to let teams who's exceptiions fell in the extra blackout time caused by the new CBA to be able to use them maybe for one day after the blackout ends etc.

 

[whozit]

Disagree. There was a possibility that a lock-out could occur making them null and void. At the time those trades were made that created the exemptions, what was going to happen this summer was still anyones guess.

However, it doesn't matter what I think.

 

[whozit]

On another note:

If I am Shareef, I am going to be looking at my agent AND the Nets with a wary eye. I would be asking my agent why there was a team willing to go as high as $60 million and you were advising me to take as low as $28. As far as the Nets go, Portland stated what it would take and until another team entered the picture they weren't willing to give a pick saving themselves ~8-10 million at his expense. What did that action say as far as what they thought he was worth.

 

[whozit]

Brick,

It looks like you are right, the league is extending the deadline for team options till the CBA is finalized. With Wells, the first extension was at his and the Grizzlies agreement, this time they have no say. With that happening, I would think that would include trade exemptions.

 

[PFFFT!!]

Actually its a Peja head-bobber toy in a toy pink VW bug. Sorta in reference to the Folsom Lake Ford/Toyota commercial he did with Vlade a couple of years back.

 

[Packt]

Why are people upset? The Nets just saved us money. If we're going to sign any front court player for the kind of money that was rumored, they better block shots. Would've been nice to switch Thomas' contract with his- I assume Thomas' was one of the pieces involved but I’m not sure who would want to take on that contract- but not a big loss.

On another note:

If I am Shareef, I am going to be looking at my agent AND the Nets with a wary eye. I would be asking my agent why there was a team willing to go as high as $60 million and you were advising me to take as low as $28. As far as the Nets go, Portland stated what it would take and until another team entered the picture they weren't willing to give a pick saving themselves ~8-10 million at his expense. What did that action say as far as what they thought he was worth.

I don't know… kind of gives you an idea at how enticing Sacramento is as a destination place for FA's. At least Gary Payton wanted to play for us, at least a couple of months ago he did.