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Good article, btw. http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....st-yet/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Apparently it's not over yet guys
Apparently it's not over yet guys
while i'd like to believe that kevin johnson has another hail mary stashed up his sleeve, i get the feeling that david stern wants to resolve this situation prior to his retirement, as evidenced by his support of the hansen-ballmer group. seattle has an arena deal on tap, so if the league approves the move, stern gets to correct a major stain to his legacy (sonics leaving seattle) while absorbing a much smaller one (kings leaving sacramento)...
These are the comments I have been waiting for -- we may still be done here, but I wanted to see the tone of Johnson's response first. If it was resigned, or looking beyond the Kings era, then it would be over. But him sounding the battle horn again means maybe there's a chance. Maybe. He could call up Stern and just get shut down and sent to his room. But then again he surprised once, and IF there are local investors truly willing to pony up, there could be a chance.
Since KJ's the point man on all this, I'll give up when he does.
Since KJ's the point man on all this, I'll give up when he does.
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https://twitter.com/KJ_MayorJohnson/status/289105318452023296
KJ isn't giving up yet, so neither am I. I have a feeling that he's been anticipating this. Let the Bidding War begin. FTM.
KJ isn't giving up yet, so neither am I. I have a feeling that he's been anticipating this. Let the Bidding War begin. FTM.
this line of reasoning works for the most part. but when another team is started in the original city and given the original name. its harder to differentiate since players come and go. the most recent situation that comes to mind is the cleveland browns of the nfl. browns were moved to baltimore and renamed the ravens. cleveland was then given another football team and named them the browns. im sure browns fans and other people dont see the team in balt as the browns anymore since there is a team in the original city with original name/color scheme.
While I am, in fact, cognizant of the Cleveland Browns, I'll have to take your word for it, RE: the fans' sentiment. Not a football fan.
And, I would argue that the most recent situation is still the Thunder, regarding which, I personally still feel that Seattle's history belongs to them. When you go to Basketball-Reference, and look up the Franchise Index for the Thunder, under "Championships," it lists one.
And, I would argue that the most recent situation is still the Thunder, regarding which, I personally still feel that Seattle's history belongs to them. When you go to Basketball-Reference, and look up the Franchise Index for the Thunder, under "Championships," it lists one.
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Is it over? It's up to the NBA. Does the NBA rubber stamp the deal or does it give local ownership groups a chance to match? That's the only question. Up until now, I was under the impression that any sale of the Kings would be a bit more, shall we say, openly done than the underhanded **** the Mfaulcokoefrss have apparently pulled here, but I suppose that was a bit optimistic. Not even giving a local group the opportunity to buy is just the final knife in the back. But there is the question of whether the NBA will allow it.
there are politics that surround the approach to that history:
"The Thunder have a 'shared' history with Seattle. Records and championships are used by the Thunder, but can also be used by Seattle once a new team goes there. So how that actually plays out will be pretty interesting. The Thunder own the 1979 title, but if I understand the settlement right, the new Sonics could claim it as well."
http://dailythunder.com/2013/01/report-maloofs-nearing-deal-to-sell-kings-to-seattle-group/
i don't know how it will play out, should the kings move to seattle, but i'm not so sure it's as cut-and-dry as you're characterizing it to be...
"The Thunder have a 'shared' history with Seattle. Records and championships are used by the Thunder, but can also be used by Seattle once a new team goes there. So how that actually plays out will be pretty interesting. The Thunder own the 1979 title, but if I understand the settlement right, the new Sonics could claim it as well."
http://dailythunder.com/2013/01/report-maloofs-nearing-deal-to-sell-kings-to-seattle-group/
i don't know how it will play out, should the kings move to seattle, but i'm not so sure it's as cut-and-dry as you're characterizing it to be...
rumors on twitter that stern pushed the clowns into selling to Seattle... to make up for what he did to them 
if true it whould rule out any chance of them staying
if true it whould rule out any chance of them staying
What I have heard is this from sports people. Maloofs found out from the NBA that VB was going to be denied by BOG because the market was too small. Also they were being denied because Stern wanted them out of the league after what they did to the City of Sacramento. Once you make a deal with Stern, it is iron-clad. Maloofs showed the NBA up! Secondly, The maloofs didnt want to go back to Sacramento and work with KJ and the city council. The City Council was trying to move the Kings to an arena where they would lose profit where right now at arco they didnt have to share profit.
Here is your positives though:
Stern wants to make a wrong a right. Seattle didnt deserve to lose their team. We all know that! Just like Sacramento doesnt deserve to lose the Kings. However, I think this is the best thing to happen to Sacrmanto and I will tell you why in latter post. I know this stings but it is the truth. Seattle had Clay Bennett as an owner who kept telling Seattle he was going to keep the team there and then all along he wanted to move them. Once OKC left, it opened the doors for the Sonics to come back with Chris Hansen's group.
Now we hate to hear that but look at the positives. We are getting rid of a owner who says he wants to be an owner but lies to your face every minute that he can. He shows you by trying to move the team to anaheim and VB. Maloofs went up to Seattle to talk to Hansen in Spokane Washington last summer to see if they could work out a deal to move the team up there and that he can part of the ownership group there. So they do sneaky stuff behind the fans back anyways!
So is the deal of the Kings a bad thing? No not really. In the short term it is. Good fans in Sacramento who care about the team lose a team. But in the overall scheme of it isn't. So the Maloofs leaving town and out of the way, it opens up the door for a new owner to come in and purchase a team. What teams are available? Charlotte Bobcats, Atlanta Hawks.
The Bobcats are available. Sacramento is a bigger market than Charlotte. You wouldnt have Maloofs anymore getting in the way of the arena being built. Now what I heard is that the NBA does want to work with a new owner to build that new arena at the railyards. So now there will be no one stopping them from the arena being built. You have to figure out who the team owner will be. Is it Larry Ellison? Is it Ron Burkle? I know that Larry wants it in San Jose but the NBA won't allow it. But since Sacramento is closer, don't be surprised if Larry settles on Sacramento. Larry doesnt care about sponsorships because he has plenty of money rolling in. So he will take some hit each year but will gain it back.
There is plenty of hope here. After Silver takes over as commissioner, you can get a team or you can see if Silver wants expansion. Right now the only cities are Sacramento and Vancouver. Obviously Vancouver Canucks owner wants a team but it conflicts with his hockey team. So Sacramento is the obvious choice.
PS The only thing holding up the deal right now is what percentage the maloofs get to keep as owners. They still want to be owners but they just dont get any control
Remember FANS!!!!!!!! For a plant to grow, you have to get rid of the weeds!!!
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So, does Sacramento keep the Kings branding and history then? I mean, obviously the Hansen group will immediately rename the team the Super Sonics. Ugh, hard to wrap my head around this. I didn't think anybody would pay $500 million for this team. I honestly thought we could wait the Maloofs out, but just when you thought they had run out of ways to screw us, they find another!
fresh updates from amick, nothing particularly relevant though
Also this, rival owners were warned not to comment on the situation by the NBA
Kings minority owners have not been briefed. Kings officials completely out of the loop, wondering what's next
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/kings/2013/01/09/sacramento-kings-maloofs-seattle/1820851/
Also this, rival owners were warned not to comment on the situation by the NBA
Kings minority owners have not been briefed. Kings officials completely out of the loop, wondering what's next
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/kings/2013/01/09/sacramento-kings-maloofs-seattle/1820851/
Yeah, I just got a tweet from Aaron Bruski that the Maloofs have rejected Seattles offer. And here's a excerpt fomr Amicks collumn.
A person with knowledge of the Kings situation told USA TODAY Sports that the minority owners of the team haven't been informed of the sale as of early Wednesday afternoon. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. The person said terms of the ownership agreement dictate minority owners must be told before a sale is complete.
What's more, according to two people who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation, the league issued a memo to owners on Wednesday warning them not to comment on the Sacramento situation. The memo did not include any detail about the state of the any negotiations.
Its never a dull moment with the Maloofs. Hey, maybe George tried to broker a deal with Seattle, and Gavin and Joe overuled him. I can hope can't I? Or, maybe Burkle called and offered the same amount, but gave the Maloofs a bigger percentage of the team. It could happen!
A person with knowledge of the Kings situation told USA TODAY Sports that the minority owners of the team haven't been informed of the sale as of early Wednesday afternoon. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. The person said terms of the ownership agreement dictate minority owners must be told before a sale is complete.
What's more, according to two people who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation, the league issued a memo to owners on Wednesday warning them not to comment on the Sacramento situation. The memo did not include any detail about the state of the any negotiations.
Its never a dull moment with the Maloofs. Hey, maybe George tried to broker a deal with Seattle, and Gavin and Joe overuled him. I can hope can't I? Or, maybe Burkle called and offered the same amount, but gave the Maloofs a bigger percentage of the team. It could happen!
That is the question. I think we were all under the impression that Stern would do everything possible to keep the Kings in sacramento. To not allow local buyers an opportunity to make a bid for the team would be a slap in the face to sacramento. As the article pointed out, a local buyer could actually offer less, and the Maloofs could walk away with more, depending on how much of the debt the Seattle group is willing to absorb along with the sale price. A local owner could also offer the Maloofs a bigger percentage of the Kings than Hanson is offering. My point is, a local Billionaire has more leverage on his side than a billionaire in Seattle. Of course first we have to have one said Billionaire step up to the plate.
We all wanted the Maloofs to sell the team. Well, apparently they're open to doing that now. Did we think that would be an easy process? Did we forget that were dealing with the Maloofs, and that selling, is what they do for a living. If your going to get the highest price for something, you try and get more than one fraction into a bidding war. You don't just sell to the first bidder that comes down the pike. This is what I expected when and if the Maloofs decided to sell. They want to walk away with as much money as possible, and probably retain as big a percentage of the Kings as possible. I believe this could get very ugly before its over. Good entertainment for the media though.
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