Sasha Watch 2022-2023
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He's making 1.5 million euros I think, there's pre-tax vs. post tax issues in play, and he will have to pay a portion of his buyout himself, but I think that we could probably get him for 6-8 on the same type of 3 year deal we brought Bogi over on where we will retain RFA status at the end. That would be ideal. Would be a highly movable piece if it didn't work out or the opportunity for a bonafide star came along.
Have we been made aware of these developments?
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-ne...-traveling-in-athens-to-watch-sasha-vezenkov/
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-ne...-traveling-in-athens-to-watch-sasha-vezenkov/
Unfortunate game for a team (Zalgiris) Domas supports in Euroleague as his dad played/owned the team and his brother is a coach there.
Sasha is Euroleague MVP the best player on the best team...99% we'll get him.
p.s. about his contract extension...he was overpaid a bit for a reason...Olympiacos overpaid a bit but also increased his buyout...they know they are losing him and want to get compensated...Sasha is in win win situation he gets overpaid if he stays or he'll get to play in the NBA....he gets €1.5M after tax...so its about 3m another 700k he has to pay for the buyout Kings will pay another 700k to Olympiacos...if we're really cheap we can get him probably for 15/3...but lets be generous 20/3 and it's a deal.
Sasha is Euroleague MVP the best player on the best team...99% we'll get him.
p.s. about his contract extension...he was overpaid a bit for a reason...Olympiacos overpaid a bit but also increased his buyout...they know they are losing him and want to get compensated...Sasha is in win win situation he gets overpaid if he stays or he'll get to play in the NBA....he gets €1.5M after tax...so its about 3m another 700k he has to pay for the buyout Kings will pay another 700k to Olympiacos...if we're really cheap we can get him probably for 15/3...but lets be generous 20/3 and it's a deal.
Hmmm yea, I don’t believe Ham on this one. I’m not one to call reports and rumors BS, but why on earth would we only offer him a minimum deal?
Under the current CBA because he has 0 years, it’d only be around $1mill/year.
You’re talking about a 26-year-old player who averaged 14.4pts 6.4rebs on 54.7/39.6/82.1 across 67 games last year.
Another big reason why I call BS? Bjelica, Bogdan, and Bojan have all had similar circumstances and made way more than minimum contracts.
Under the current CBA because he has 0 years, it’d only be around $1mill/year.
You’re talking about a 26-year-old player who averaged 14.4pts 6.4rebs on 54.7/39.6/82.1 across 67 games last year.
Another big reason why I call BS? Bjelica, Bogdan, and Bojan have all had similar circumstances and made way more than minimum contracts.
The more I think about it the more I think you both bring Vezenkov over AND re-sign Lyles. The plans for this offseason start with whether or not Barnes is re-signed, but beyond that I think the priorities are pretty clear. If Barnes wants to be back, I'd like to see him stay in a Kings uniform. Beyond that, I think this is roughly Monte's to-do list:
PF Barnes/Lyles/Vezenkov
SF Murray/Edwards/FRP or FA
SG Huerter/Monk/Ellis
PG Fox/Mitchell/FRP or FA
Two way: Second round picks
All of that seems really doable to me. It keeps consistency with the starting lineup and improves the bench.
And as much as Vezenkov should thrive with Sabonis, the smallball lineup with Lyles at the 5 and Sasha at the 4 would light it up from outside.
- See if you can move Holmes or if he'll turn down his player option to sign elsewhere for a bigger role.
- Sign or trade for a backup center, ideally one that can run the same actions as Sabonis and/or who can defend the paint. For those reasons, I'd still love to see Hartenstein in a Kings uniform, but I don't know how likely that is.
- Re-sign Lyles, extend Sabonis, and bring Sasha over.
- Let Len and TD walk unless Davis comes back on a low cost deal. Sign either Metu or Queta as the 3rd string C and sign Keon Ellis as the 3rd string SG.
- Draft a high upside player in the first round and take a couple flyers in the 2nd with guys that can be signed to two way deals. The team wouldn't need production from rookies so you have the luxury of developing guys slowly. Or you have the option of trading the pick on draft night to get one of the other pieces.
PF Barnes/Lyles/Vezenkov
SF Murray/Edwards/FRP or FA
SG Huerter/Monk/Ellis
PG Fox/Mitchell/FRP or FA
Two way: Second round picks
All of that seems really doable to me. It keeps consistency with the starting lineup and improves the bench.
And as much as Vezenkov should thrive with Sabonis, the smallball lineup with Lyles at the 5 and Sasha at the 4 would light it up from outside.
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Let's take a look at the numbers for next year:
2023-2024 Salary Cap: $134 million
Kings' Salary:
We have to try and dump Holmes this offseason because he's at $12million/yr and still has an additional year. If we dump him, we'd have $40.9million in can space which would be enough to retain everyone without any issues. I don't think we'll have to pick between Sasha or Lyles. We just need to get rid of Holmes.
2023-2024 Salary Cap: $134 million
Kings' Salary:
- Guaranteed Contracts: $105,062,089
- (included Edwards' who has a team option)
- Projected Cap Space: $28,937,911
- (if we release all cap holds)
- Barnes: 27.5million (bird)
- TD: 7.6 million (bird)
- Lyles: 3.4 million (early bird)
- Metu: 1.7million (bird)
- Ellis: 1.7million
- Queta: 1.7million
- 1st round pick: 2.3 million (rough estimate)
We have to try and dump Holmes this offseason because he's at $12million/yr and still has an additional year. If we dump him, we'd have $40.9million in can space which would be enough to retain everyone without any issues. I don't think we'll have to pick between Sasha or Lyles. We just need to get rid of Holmes.
2 year with option on 3rd that extends Bird rights plus RFA is the way to go.
IIRC Sasha was supposed to fly to Vegas to negotiate and then backed out. I think everybody's "inside" info is highly suspect, especially Ham who spent most of the offseason trashing Monte for just about all his moves, but really he was most upset because they wouldn't let him host his podcast in the arena or something after the draft.
IIRC Sasha was supposed to fly to Vegas to negotiate and then backed out. I think everybody's "inside" info is highly suspect, especially Ham who spent most of the offseason trashing Monte for just about all his moves, but really he was most upset because they wouldn't let him host his podcast in the arena or something after the draft.
I actually think he has less leverage. Last season he would have been joining a bad team to try and help them make the playoffs. Something many felt they needed to accomplish. This off season, he would be joining a team that just finished near the top of the Western conference. He could be a big help them them next season, but is not a need.
https://basketnews.com/news-187440-...he-couldve-joined-eyes-vezenkov-in-kings.html
some good words for Sasha from Chima. Also - nice Domas nuggets
some good words for Sasha from Chima. Also - nice Domas nuggets
Just watched his round 33 game vs Crvena Zvezda (team I follow) and he played his normal solid game started out on fire at the start of the game against a 6'6 guard forward and had about 9 in the first with great off the ball movement and understanding he was bigger. Than for the literally whole 2nd half and most the 2nd quarter was matched with Petrusev unfortunately for Sasha former NBA player Campazzo obliterated the Olympiacos offense (can't not do anything in terms of, off the ball stuff) with 5 steals and the team never went once to him in a one on one situation against Petrusev.
Olympiacos seems to ball the ultimate team ball and legit never go iso or try force feed Sasha (at least they didn't this game). I really wanted to see Sasha vs Petrusev cause I think both are NBA talents but a pesky Argentinian was having none of it and Campazzo was the MVP by a country mile.
Interested to see how Olympiacos goes in the playoffs because imo talent wise they play way above what they are (#1 seed atm) but they play great basketball/amazing chemistry.
Olympiacos seems to ball the ultimate team ball and legit never go iso or try force feed Sasha (at least they didn't this game). I really wanted to see Sasha vs Petrusev cause I think both are NBA talents but a pesky Argentinian was having none of it and Campazzo was the MVP by a country mile.
Interested to see how Olympiacos goes in the playoffs because imo talent wise they play way above what they are (#1 seed atm) but they play great basketball/amazing chemistry.
Considering 8 minutes in the NBA got him another job playing ball seems pretty good to me. Im sure he hoped he could stay, and maybe he thought Brown would do more to try and keep him. But if he's upset at the organization... well maybe he's just not that good if he couldn't get more that 8 minutes.
"Situation is very important," he continued about the biggest lesson he learned in the NBA environment. "Situation is very, very important. Some people struggle on certain teams not because they are not good players but because they are in the wrong situation. It's very important to play for a coach, play on a team that believes in you, and will give you opportunities to play the way you wanna play."
"It depends on how Mike Brown is going to use him," Moneke responded when asked if Vezenkov would be a suitable piece in Brown's schemes.
"I love the way he plays because he doesn't need the ball to affect the game. He is shooting the ball and rebounding very well. What he is doing in the EuroLeague, they will find a way to use him in the right way, I hope for him. He is a great player, and he will be fine. He should be fine if they are telling the truth about how they want to use him."
Sounds to me like he's inferring that Brown and the team didn't believe in him and didn't give him opportunities to play the way he wanted to play.
The last sentence of the Vezenkov paragraph is pretty telling as well.
"It depends on how Mike Brown is going to use him," Moneke responded when asked if Vezenkov would be a suitable piece in Brown's schemes.
"I love the way he plays because he doesn't need the ball to affect the game. He is shooting the ball and rebounding very well. What he is doing in the EuroLeague, they will find a way to use him in the right way, I hope for him. He is a great player, and he will be fine. He should be fine if they are telling the truth about how they want to use him."
Sounds to me like he's inferring that Brown and the team didn't believe in him and didn't give him opportunities to play the way he wanted to play.
The last sentence of the Vezenkov paragraph is pretty telling as well.
I mean, was Chima really expecting to walk into an NBA rotation picked off the streets? Especially a team already pretty much full when he signed on?
I thought he had some real interesting traits to be like a PJ Tucker type, but he certainly didn't 100% prove he deserved a rotation spot at any point with the Kings. In contrast, Kessler Edwards very much has earned the right to be a rotation player with his immediate impact. Chima didn't do that.
I thought he had some real interesting traits to be like a PJ Tucker type, but he certainly didn't 100% prove he deserved a rotation spot at any point with the Kings. In contrast, Kessler Edwards very much has earned the right to be a rotation player with his immediate impact. Chima didn't do that.