Sasha Watch 2022-2023
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Vinny Basketballerino
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Same. But HB will get at least 15M in the FA market - and the Kings won't pay Sasha nearly that much. I think HB agrees to it though - because that man is absolutely professional. It's also critical that HB has earned about 150M so far in his career. He wants a ring - bad.
iowamcnabb
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Sasha is also living in Greece making over a million a year post tax plus I’m sure he has endorsements. He is likely already set up nicely financially
macadocious
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But he can live in Sacramento and Pay 49% in taxes!
Vinny Basketballerino
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He has the chance to set up his family for generations. Legacy wealth. And he'll get MORE endorsements being in the NBA.
iowamcnabb
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I’d argue he could build that wealth over there. Sure it would be more in the US but that might not matter to him.
I’m speaking for myself here but if I’m 27 years old making a couple million a year living in a beautiful country with way cheaper cost of living I’m not coming over to the US for money (unless we are talking 10s of millions more.) It would be the chance to play with and against the best of the best.
Vinny Basketballerino
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Everyone has their own calculations to be sure. I guess speaking for myself... the NBA is the best league in the world, and pays significantly more. His first contract might only be a few mil more, but there's a chance he can be a 15-20M a year player. I can't possibly imagine not coming over if the timing was right and the team was right... and the timing and the team are right! Get it done Monty!
Vinny Basketballerino
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Just curious - is there anyone on this board who wouldn't move to another country to make 5x what you make now, with the possibility of making 10-15x in a couple years?
iowamcnabb
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it’s not likely to be anywhere close to 5 times. He is making close to 2 mil now post tax. If he gets 7 mil a year with us that is about 3.5 here. Now factor in that it is probably 2 or 3 times more expensive living in California compared to Greece. His next contract could be a big one or if he has a Trey Lyles type impact it could be for less than you are envisioning
PorchSurfin
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If I was a betting man (which make no assumptions, I'm not), I wouldn't go ALL IN on him not coming over but I would bet a sizeable chunk of my stake money on it.
Dude just has no ties here, and all his ties there. I think (the royal) we are looking at this through our purple tinted glasses too hard. All signs point toward him wanting to continue (and probably finish) his career over there but we scream "The money!" and "He would help the Kings so much", none of which I get the feeling he even cares about.
I think it's nice, to him, being scouted and wined/dined to come over, but I don't think his heart is even into it.
If I had to make a guess, he enjoys being the top dog over there and attempting to bring glory, and being a role player with no real guarantee of that in the NBA isn't as illustrious as we try to make it seem.
If it were ME, I would stay right where I was, being a Rockstar and the top dog on a top team.
I have been wrong before obviously, but I don't think I'm wrong on this one. The Kings probably wasted a lot of money, time, and resources on it but I wouldn't fault them for it. He could have been an impact player for stretches for us.
I just don't think he cares about being an impact player for stretches when he can be THE GUY for all of it. And I don't blame him.
Not to mention, he is pretty fing old to be rookie hazed lol
Vinny Basketballerino
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He can buy a condo and sell it for roughly the same price if not more. Cost of living difference is honestly negligible at that level/scale. He's making 1M a year now. He'll make ~4M a year after taxes if he gets the contract he deserves. Ok, so four times (and then the very likely possibility of the next contract being big). This is a large difference - at a large SCALE as well. We're not talking about 50k vs 200k (still huge). We're talking about ending your career with tens of millions more in the bank. I'm kind of shocked that people don't weight that more in their assessment here. He could change the life of a large number of his family members and do significant good with that money.
I think as fans we get wrapped up in the sentimental aspect of the game and then project that onto the players. This is work for them. If I'm offered anything close to that type of opportunity in my work I'm taking it ten times out of ten.
PorchSurfin
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I dont think your figures add up. Maybe 2x as much with the possibility for 3-4. But also going from the alpha dog to one of the pack and not walking around wherever you go as an insta-celebrity.
If I was 27 amd making millions and adored by everyone, I doubt I would go somewhere else to be a relative unknown for a million or 2 more just to say I did it, as well as lose all the PT and competition I yearn for plus the adoration of my countrymen.
I just think dude would have a better time doing what he does than to say f it and come here for a little more scratch and relative obscurity.
And keep in mind, he really has no idea how Kings players are treated in Sac, as well as culture of California. It's alien to him. Plus. Greece. Man. Give me Greece 100x over Sac any day!!
captain bill
All-Star
It's under $1.5 from what I read but maybe unreliable
If he gets 7-10 on a 2 year deal that's a huge windfall. If he's an impact player at all he can net a $50mm+ contract. That's an ocean of difference, as much as his $1.5mm is from us stiffs. Generational wealth has gotta be hard not to chase, especially when you're playing the same game for just a piece of the year anyways.
Vinny Basketballerino
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Exactly.
Imagine looking at your grandkids or grand nieces and nephews when you're 85 and thinking you could have left them something to set them up for life but instead they get to look at your Euroleague trophy every Christmas. It would be selfish of him NOT to take the money.
Vinny Basketballerino
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He makes 1.2M Euros, but taxes in Greece are significantly less (I believe 10-20%). I was actually being conservative when I said 4M take home here. 7-10M I think is the right number. Call it 5M after tax with the potential to double or triple that.... for maybe an 8 year run if you're lucky. Generational wealth.
captain bill
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I think there's also something about European salaries being reported post-tax rather than US being pre? Idk if it applies
Either way I doubt Bogi was signing a $72mm contract in Europe and he wasn't even sniffing an all star game
ockingsfan
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Yup, if he’s coming. he’s coming now. He can’t wait any longer. He’s going to be playing for that 2nd contract and it’s a lot better for him to become a free agent at 30 rather than at 31, in the eyes of NBA teams.
The 2nd contract is what will set up his family for life, not this 1st contract. If he establishes himself as a legit stretch 4 with crazy range, that 2nd contract will probably be in the $50-$70 mil/ 4 years range.
kingsboi
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how many countries have you lived in?
iowamcnabb
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If you die with 10 million euros in your bank living in Greece you have generational wealth
kingsboi
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I wonder how many of us on this forum have been to Greece
iowamcnabb
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some. According to quality of life metrics a single person would need $1800USD a month to live a comfortable lifestyle in Greece. So a family of four might be say $3500. Even if you triple it and live a crazy luxurious lifestyle that’s $126,000USD a year post tax. Sasha, a partner and 2 kids could live a luxurious lifestyle for 12 years with no additional sources of income on one single year of salary from Olympiacos. Considering he is one of the most recognizable players in Europe he probably makes the same or more off endorsements.
Studies have shown there is a point where higher income no longer increases happiness and that number is far lower than Sasha’s salary. This was a very long winded way of saying that Sasha can live an incredibly comfortable life and pass on that wealth while living in Europe if he so chooses. He could make more here but there are many other non financial factors to consider and each individual has a different idea of what amount of money is enough.
ockingsfan
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If Sasha comes to the NBA and proves to be a legit stretch 4 with “splash brothers” type range, he’s making $60-80mil over a 7 year NBA career easy. That’s $40-50 million post tax in the bank, as opposed to $10 mil euro.
He can move back to Greece at 35 years old if he wants and still continue his euro league career.
Quite honestly, he would be foolish not to strike when the iron is hot. This is an opportunity of a lifetime for him and his family.
As the saying goes, he has everything to gain and nothing to lose. If things don’t work out, after the 3 year contract is up, he can always go back to the Euro League.
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Vinny Basketballerino
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I just came back from Greece a few months ago. Wonderful country. Cheap, too. But not as cheap as offsetting 75M in career earnings.
iowamcnabb
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He can, sure but I wouldn’t call him foolish if he chooses not to. What if he wants to be with his parents as they age? What if he wants to raise his children in Europe? What if his partner doesn’t want to leave their friends behind? What if he loves Greece?
Income requirements vary. A lot of happy people making 50k a year and a lot of miserable people making millions.
Vinny Basketballerino
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It would incredibly selfish of him and short sighted to leave 75 million dollars on the table simply because he wanted to live in a nicer country for 7 years of his playing career.
Imagine his great grandkids: "Yeah papa could have left you each a million dollars for you to start a business but he really loved lamb souvlaki."
When you visit these cheap countries (I was in Bulgaria in January), you actually realize the value of money MORE, because it allows you to be really generous with tips, buying thing in order to share your money, etc. If anything, he should be MORE motivated to earn that extra 75M because it will go FARTHER in his home country of Bulgaria, helping his family or causes he believes in back home.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I get what you are saying but we just don’t agree on this. Saying someone is selfish for not seeking way more money than his family could ever need is a western/privileged/first world perspective.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
you really think he can earn that much in his career?
Bjelica made $39M over 8 years. And it was $34M over the 6 years of his two non-minimum contracts (3 year rookie and 3 year second contract). Bjelica should be the absolute rock bottom floor for Sasha, and he got $34M in 6 years.
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