SAS on Sportscenter-Kings looking to move Bibby...
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ZanesvilleFan
G-League
The only thing wrong with this is that you really cant depend on Grant Hill. Way to many injuries to trade him for Bibby. We can get better than that im sure. a few other PG's out there (Rondo from Boston or even Gibson From Cleveland) that wouldnt be a straight up trade of course though
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You're not trading for Grant Hill the player -- indeed I think he retires at the end of the year, unless he does the go catch on with a contender to get a ring thing.
You're trading for his giant ending contract, and might be able to liquidate TWO of your long termers via him, + try to work in a pick or kid from Orlando in the deal. Think much depends on whetehr Orlando's little taste of success this year has made them impatient or not. Originally I thiik they wanted to hold onto Hill so they could be free agent players themselves, hold onto their youth so they could be factors in a few years. But maybe now they sense they can be good now and kicking into win now mode. If so, Hill's big ender is certainly one of the more intiguing trade assets any of the win now playoff teams might have to part with.
GoGoGadget
All-Star
Trading Mike for what's left of Grant Hill's contract is not a move that I'd particularly want to make, as I'd prefer that Mike sticks around throughout a rebuild.
But, if this team is going to get serious about rebuilding, it is exactly the kind of deal they should make.
But, if this team is going to get serious about rebuilding, it is exactly the kind of deal they should make.
LMM
Starter
^^ I feel the same as G3.
Anyway as I understand it, this would be why the people involved would do it... simply put.
1) kings get a huge ender and will free up cap space and be huge players in the free agency market. BUT... are are there FAs this year that we could get that would be an impact player? Don't know. If we do trade Bibby, hopefully we can get rid of Thomas' contract. I don't want them on the same team, though LOL, so three way deal? I have no idea.
2) magic get bibby paired with Howard! That could be a really good tandem. Dwight would be more offensive while still having the shotblocking ability.
might not be enough to beat the mavs/suns but could still be really really good.
Guess it makes sense.
Anyway as I understand it, this would be why the people involved would do it... simply put.
1) kings get a huge ender and will free up cap space and be huge players in the free agency market. BUT... are are there FAs this year that we could get that would be an impact player? Don't know. If we do trade Bibby, hopefully we can get rid of Thomas' contract. I don't want them on the same team, though LOL, so three way deal? I have no idea.
2) magic get bibby paired with Howard! That could be a really good tandem. Dwight would be more offensive while still having the shotblocking ability.
might not be enough to beat the mavs/suns but could still be really really good.Guess it makes sense.
whozit
Starter
It would be nice if the Kings could work it that way. But I could only imagine that with the long termers that the Kings would want to move, it would be the Kings sending the pick(s) and/or kids. I am thinking that they are putting word out that they are willing to take someones upper tier disgruntled vets where things aren't working out for a hefty price in terms of picks and/or kids. That would fit the Kings except what the Kings have to offer isn't necessarily upper tier (with the exception of maybe Bibby).
Ryle
Starter
At least if they did that then we would know they are rebuilding and there is hope for the future.
nbrans
All-Star
And Mo Williams here we come.
sounds very nice. i would love to get Darko too.
and whoever's saying that they want to keep Bibby is crazy. if we rebuild, he will be no good to the team. i dont see him helping younger guys to develop.
maybe after Hill's contract expires he'd take the veteran minimum and stay with us. he'd be an awesome locker room guy with a ton of experience.
kingsfan101
Starter
Mike will probably be amongst the best free agent out there if he decides to opt out. So, trading away Hill just means they have played their off season game now, which is good for them. Also, Bibby fills a veteran leader's role for them, and provides them a playoff tested veteran.
The only downsides I see from Magic's side are
- It might delay the progress of Nelson. He might benefit for some veteran leadership at his position, but his minutes will definitely get reduced significantly.
- Giving up Grant for non-enders shall mean they have given up on Darko. Not sure if they are there yet.
nbrans
All-Star
I think Orlando has been mildly disappointed by Nelson this year -- he hasn't really taken a step forward like they thought they would. They're trying to compete for the playoffs and they might want a veteran point guard to go with Howard.
Padrino
All-Star
i could see bibby fitting in well with orlando, to be honest. despite his horrible performance this season, bibby is still one of the best point guards in the league. he's still a smart ballplayer and very capable of being a positive piece on a competitor. a bibby/howard pick and roll might be very deadly. howard doesn't play in the high post like webber, so it'd be a strictly low-post play...but it'd definitely take some of the pressure off bibby as a shooter. not to mention howard's got hands. he's like webber on crack...just without the midrange shooting ability.
nbrans
All-Star
Yeah, they would definitely be good together, and that's a smart point about the pick and roll -- it wouldn't be a pick and pop like Bibby/Webber and Bibby/Miller, it could be a genuine pick and roll more like Nash/Amare. Howard sets the pick, Bibby comes off the screen and Bibby either shoots or Howard gets a dunk or alley-oop. And of course, Howard's a shotblocker so the defense wouldn't be a problem.
Especially since Darko probably isn't playing his way to a monster contract and since Hill is injured, I could really see Orlando going for this.
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PoundForPound
Guest
my uncle actually told me the kings were going to get mo williams this morning, lol but i think he was just jokin.
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PoundForPound
Guest
Why all the Bibby hate?
Mike Bibby is a fanatastic player and very very clutch. It's not like he's on the downslide of his career, he is still young. there are not many good PG's out there that we can get. He has been dissappointing this season, but that doesn't take anything away from him being a terrific player. he can shoot jumpers, hit threes, assist, and do it all in crunch time. he is arguably the best player on our team, it would be a very bad idea to let him go. how many times have we seen him come through for us. how many times has he pulled us through the playoffs, and have you all forgotten what he did in the lakers series? thus i ask, why all the bibby hate. it's the players around him who are holding the team back.
Mike Bibby is a fanatastic player and very very clutch. It's not like he's on the downslide of his career, he is still young. there are not many good PG's out there that we can get. He has been dissappointing this season, but that doesn't take anything away from him being a terrific player. he can shoot jumpers, hit threes, assist, and do it all in crunch time. he is arguably the best player on our team, it would be a very bad idea to let him go. how many times have we seen him come through for us. how many times has he pulled us through the playoffs, and have you all forgotten what he did in the lakers series? thus i ask, why all the bibby hate. it's the players around him who are holding the team back.
bibbinator
Bench
Mike's play is suffering due to the crapulence of the team in general.
He could contribute on a contending team, were he on one.
He could contribute on a contending team, were he on one.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
who's saying they hate him? most people are saying we need to rebuild and dump his contract, that's hardly hate.
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PoundForPound
Guest
well why do ppl want him out of here?
many people on here agree that we need to rebuild by going young, getting good draft picks, etc. Bibby just doesn't fit that. he's not enough of a leader to really help develop young guys, but he's enough of a leader to really contribute on a playoff team. plus, getting rid of him clears cap space. if the Kings do rebuild and they want to spend $12-13 million a year for a good veteran point guard, then it should be on Chauncey Billups when he becomes a free agent this summer, not Bibby. that's my opinion at least
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Nope. Not even...
Never a good thing to start your post by making a generalized statement about the fans here - or any other message board for that matter - as they can change their minds within the course of a game, let alone a season.
You're much better off to go with your LAST statement.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
his contract, his recent play, his style of play, wanting to rebuild and start over, wanting to get what he can give us in a trade... shall i go on? just because the reasons may not be clear to you, that doesn't mean they hate him. i'm in favor of trading bibby but he's one of my favorite players.
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I agree with everything you just said. Rather rebuild and trade Bibby for capspace/a young player. He doesn't fit this team right now in my opinion.
chelle
Starter
I don't think that it is hate on the part of most. He is our highest paid player, so it is easy to focus on him. We would also get more for him in a trade than anybody else. I do not think trading Kevin is an option and GMs may still be wary of Ron, so Bibby is the best option.
MY OPINION: I do NOT want Bibby traded. I still want him here as our PG. I would be very sad to see him go. That being said, if a trade for Bibby comes along that would make us a good/great team again, we can't pass on it. I want him here, but it is looking less likely that he is staying.
Amanjoy
Bench
You mean the new star of General Hospital! LOL!
slugking50
All-Star
Pretty much. IMO Mike has starting losing a step,(as has Ron and Brad. None of them look as quick as they used to) Hes not the player he used to be.
The best thing for this team is to blow it up and trade away all our big contracts and most of our veterans. It's time. I'll the guys as people but the players they are today.
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