San Antonio game chat, Aug 9
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M's down by six at half, and down by 4 now.
MamaBristow
Bench
Yuck.
Brunson has a MONSTER game. Yo with a great effort.
And nothing but bad news everywhere else.
Ticha goes out with a hamstring injury. Chelsea's wrist sounds bad. And Nicole Powell injures herself as the horn sounds.
And there's a game tomorrow.
Brunson has a MONSTER game. Yo with a great effort.
And nothing but bad news everywhere else.
Ticha goes out with a hamstring injury. Chelsea's wrist sounds bad. And Nicole Powell injures herself as the horn sounds.
And there's a game tomorrow.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
Rough game.....gonna lose this one. We are beat up. Ticha out (hamstring), Powell may be injured, Chelsea left with injury again...ugh!!! Rebecca Brunson had a career rebounding night with 19. Her stats: 12 pts, 19 rebs, 1 asst, 2 stls
Yo had about 15 pts and 7 rebs. No one else did anything to speak of. Gotta go check all the stats.
Final: Silver Stars win 72-61
Yo had about 15 pts and 7 rebs. No one else did anything to speak of. Gotta go check all the stats.
Final: Silver Stars win 72-61
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
Not sure about NP. She seemed to be hurt on the last play. She waved everyone away, though, but it took her awhile to get up. Koz questioned whether she might be limping a bit as she left the floor. Hopefully, it is nothing at all.
Chelsea was having trouble with the wrist that she injured the other night. Hopefully, we'll hear something tomorrow.
Ticha hurt her hamstring, but don't know how bad.
Tomorrow's game (at 5:30) is on N10. I'm not looking forward to seeing our girls all banged up.
Chelsea was having trouble with the wrist that she injured the other night. Hopefully, we'll hear something tomorrow.
Ticha hurt her hamstring, but don't know how bad.
Tomorrow's game (at 5:30) is on N10. I'm not looking forward to seeing our girls all banged up.
Well, if NP was injured on the last play, I don't get it why JB would still let her play with the game lost. NP is logging the most minutes for a monarch the past 2+ years. With the game lost, I would have just let her rest, ESP since we have a game tomorrow.
As for Chelsea, I hope she'll be okay...her value is beyond what the boxscore would show.
Hopefully the bench would step up tomorrow, if given the chance.
As for Chelsea, I hope she'll be okay...her value is beyond what the boxscore would show.
Hopefully the bench would step up tomorrow, if given the chance.
Luv13fan
Bench
game on???
Okay my source in SASS says Nicole should be okay. Walked of the court. She probably will be uncomfortable but should be fine. No need to call for Jen-ney's head just yet.
As for this game...
We just couldn't hit shots consistanly. What are you gonna say. Sometimes that just happens.
Either way what is done is done and this is what we have.
Big Props to our Post Players getting in there and mixing it up. Outstanding effort from Yo and Bekkah. But Can we get some help from the wings. 3-18 from Nicole and Kara is a problem even on a good day. I believe we beat Conn at home with a low output from them but that is not gonna happen very often.
It is Play-off time. We need everyone doing their share and playing consistantly. I know everyone is laboring. And yes Nicole logs more minutes than anyone on this team. But Something has to give or this season is gonna end really quickly.
:Rant:
I am wondering if we will do any shooting drills sometime this year because our offensive woes are becoming downright embarrassing. If we do drills, we don't do enough. We gave at least 4 games away this season with either missed free-throw, missed Lay-ups , Missed Open shots, Or all of the above.
That is just lack of Focus and concentration. And when this team looks back on it they will kick themselves. Because it is the difference between 1st and 3rd place, and perhaps the difference between resting players with nagging injuries, and playing with the walking wounded.
If Nicole is still sore in the morning I say rest her and TP and if necessary Chelsea. It wont make a difference in the standings and a day of rest could make all the difference.
We have a bench lets see what they are made of.
Okay my source in SASS says Nicole should be okay. Walked of the court. She probably will be uncomfortable but should be fine. No need to call for Jen-ney's head just yet.
As for this game...
We just couldn't hit shots consistanly. What are you gonna say. Sometimes that just happens.
Either way what is done is done and this is what we have.
Big Props to our Post Players getting in there and mixing it up. Outstanding effort from Yo and Bekkah. But Can we get some help from the wings. 3-18 from Nicole and Kara is a problem even on a good day. I believe we beat Conn at home with a low output from them but that is not gonna happen very often.
It is Play-off time. We need everyone doing their share and playing consistantly. I know everyone is laboring. And yes Nicole logs more minutes than anyone on this team. But Something has to give or this season is gonna end really quickly.
:Rant:
I am wondering if we will do any shooting drills sometime this year because our offensive woes are becoming downright embarrassing. If we do drills, we don't do enough. We gave at least 4 games away this season with either missed free-throw, missed Lay-ups , Missed Open shots, Or all of the above.
That is just lack of Focus and concentration. And when this team looks back on it they will kick themselves. Because it is the difference between 1st and 3rd place, and perhaps the difference between resting players with nagging injuries, and playing with the walking wounded.
If Nicole is still sore in the morning I say rest her and TP and if necessary Chelsea. It wont make a difference in the standings and a day of rest could make all the difference.
We have a bench lets see what they are made of.
Monty'sBiggestFan
Starter
::sigh:: where to start....This sounds familiar...layups, freethrows and turnovers. This is getting old and tired.
Congratulations B, yet another phenomenal game, one-legged. Carry on!
They've played like this when they've rested, they've played well when for all intents and purposes they should have been tired. They've just flat out been too inconsistent to get a good read on.
If they are too hurt to play, they definitely should sit. If its a matter of getting rest? They can rest on Saturday, the game tomorrow can very well make a difference in the standings if they don't win it. Unless we're conceding the 2nd seed to San Antonio (and yes, even the top spot somehow still remains in play). I'd rather not go into the final stretch for seeding conceding games - since I don't think its a forgone conclusion we can beat Houston with just our bench (hell, we could barely handle them with our full active roster last time we saw them).
This was the same bench that scored 40 some odd points against the Sun, I think they were given essentially the same chance they've always gotten to play. I'm still lost as to how they aren't being given a chance. She's shortened the rotation but they all are still getting minutes, well all in the sense that everybody who was part of training camp.
Who exactly on the bench isn't playing who should be?
Congratulations B, yet another phenomenal game, one-legged. Carry on!
They've played like this when they've rested, they've played well when for all intents and purposes they should have been tired. They've just flat out been too inconsistent to get a good read on.
If they are too hurt to play, they definitely should sit. If its a matter of getting rest? They can rest on Saturday, the game tomorrow can very well make a difference in the standings if they don't win it. Unless we're conceding the 2nd seed to San Antonio (and yes, even the top spot somehow still remains in play). I'd rather not go into the final stretch for seeding conceding games - since I don't think its a forgone conclusion we can beat Houston with just our bench (hell, we could barely handle them with our full active roster last time we saw them).
This was the same bench that scored 40 some odd points against the Sun, I think they were given essentially the same chance they've always gotten to play. I'm still lost as to how they aren't being given a chance. She's shortened the rotation but they all are still getting minutes, well all in the sense that everybody who was part of training camp.
Who exactly on the bench isn't playing who should be?
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Damn seeding; we need health, is what we need. We can't fall below third, and we're the only team that's going to be in the playoffs that's proven they can win a series on the road... but only if we're healthy. If Griffith, Penicheiro, Powell and Newton can't go, we won't win in the first round with or without the home court. Now is the time to give key players whatever rest they need.
Well, that's part of the problem, innit? I can't name anybody on the bench who's not playing who should be, but I can certainly name a couple that are playing that I'd rather weren't, but for lack of options.
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The point was:
IF the starters are banged up (as they obviously are) today, then maybe JB should at least LESSEN their minutes and give the bench A LITTLE MORE TIME to play. Not that someone is not getting minutes. The trend has been quite clear, the rotation is getting shorter...aka...starters playing heavier minutes. As slim pointed out, we can win a series on the road, only and only if we have a near full strength line up (note DeMya is no longer on it). Even with home court, without the starters rested and the bench playing with some confidence, we don't get out of round 1.
MamaBristow
Bench
Injury Update from the Bee blog:
The Monarchs need to take this game seriously in order to salvage this road trip. While Houston's record isn't pretty, they have picked things up in the second half of the season and aren't a team to sleep on. The M's need to take care of business and come home as healthy as possible.
We still have home court advantage to play for. At this point we can finish no worse that third, but still have a chance at grabbing one of the top two spots. Chelsea isn't going to get better with rest, her wrist is going to be painful for a while. Nicole sounds fine, so she should be good to go. Hopefully she improves on her ugly shooting performance from last night. Ticha may need to sit, but we should be fine with Kara and Haynie filling her shoes. It's not like we're facing a monster backcourt.
The Monarchs need to take this game seriously in order to salvage this road trip. While Houston's record isn't pretty, they have picked things up in the second half of the season and aren't a team to sleep on. The M's need to take care of business and come home as healthy as possible.
Luv13fan
Bench
Since my other points have been made...
I dont think resting folks is about conceeding games.
We actaully have a good bench. And while they haven't played the most consistant all year, they should be able to step up to a challenge. And Hey... They may even be able to win a ball game for us. That is what I mean when I say we have a bench lets see what they are made of. Can't speak for others.
Also I have said it from the start that we would have a problem in the post if one of them went down. We have that problem. DeMya is out. Yo is better but still ailing. Bekkah is damn near worn down, Nicole is sporting the DT's because she is damn near worn down. A-DUB is our only relatively healthy post player. So Yeah if I could I would play Frolich. At least a few more minutes than she has. Especially if we end up with a PHOENIX. We will need a lot of bodies then. Especially since she is Dressed to play.
Personally I would have played her sooner. But for me if getting the #1 seed means we limp into the Play-offs then... Hey I will take #3 thank you. The goal is to get prepared for the play-offs. Health and Consistantcy. If we can do that, we can fair well in the play offs. I am not concerned about Jocking for position at this point.
I dont think resting folks is about conceeding games.
We actaully have a good bench. And while they haven't played the most consistant all year, they should be able to step up to a challenge. And Hey... They may even be able to win a ball game for us. That is what I mean when I say we have a bench lets see what they are made of. Can't speak for others.
Also I have said it from the start that we would have a problem in the post if one of them went down. We have that problem. DeMya is out. Yo is better but still ailing. Bekkah is damn near worn down, Nicole is sporting the DT's because she is damn near worn down. A-DUB is our only relatively healthy post player. So Yeah if I could I would play Frolich. At least a few more minutes than she has. Especially if we end up with a PHOENIX. We will need a lot of bodies then. Especially since she is Dressed to play.
Personally I would have played her sooner. But for me if getting the #1 seed means we limp into the Play-offs then... Hey I will take #3 thank you. The goal is to get prepared for the play-offs. Health and Consistantcy. If we can do that, we can fair well in the play offs. I am not concerned about Jocking for position at this point.
exactly my points above. thank you.
Well, aside from Lawson, I don't agree about the bench at all... but, there's no better time to prove me wrong.
Our BENCH relative to the other benches of the leading teams (took me a while to compile this).
SCORING FROM BENCH
SAC 39%
PHX 14%
SAN 29%
DET 24%
IND 29%
REBOUNDS FROM BENCH
SAC 31%
PHX 24%
SAN 29%
DET 20%
IND 28%
ASSISTS FROM BENCH
SAC 41%
PHX 15%
SAN 29%
DET 27%
IND 27%
not too shabby, i must say.
I guess "good" is a relative term... This Monarchs team's bench reminds me of the Memphis Grizzlies' bench in 2003-04: they had the highest-scoring bench in the league, but it wasn't because they had a "good" bench, but because 1) Nobody in the starting lineup besides Gasol even showed an inkling of being any good, and 2) Hubie Brown played everybody.
A lot of teams in the WNBA don't play their bench: San Antonio pretty much has an eight-man rotation. I think Phoenix only plays seven. Laurie Koehn dominated the three-point shootout, and can't get in the game for Washington. Meanwhile, we play a ten-man rotation when my gut tells me that we'd probably be better off playing seven, given my personal opinion of the eighth, ninth and tenth players.
The past two years, there wasn't a doubt in my mind that we had the best bench in the league, period... quite possibly in WNBA history (Walker/Brunson [whichever one wasn't starting], Lawson, Buescher, Maïga-Ba)... we practically had a second starting lineup on the bench; now we've got one very good player, one pretty good player, and three or four players that don't even look like they belong in the league half the time.
So no, I am decidedly not sold on the bench... Sometimes, when the bench puts up big numbers, it's because you really do have a great bench. And sometimes, when the bench puts up big numbers, it just means that the starters ain't getting the job done... I won't speak for anyone else, but I know what side of that argument I think this year's reserves fall on.
A lot of teams in the WNBA don't play their bench: San Antonio pretty much has an eight-man rotation. I think Phoenix only plays seven. Laurie Koehn dominated the three-point shootout, and can't get in the game for Washington. Meanwhile, we play a ten-man rotation when my gut tells me that we'd probably be better off playing seven, given my personal opinion of the eighth, ninth and tenth players.
The past two years, there wasn't a doubt in my mind that we had the best bench in the league, period... quite possibly in WNBA history (Walker/Brunson [whichever one wasn't starting], Lawson, Buescher, Maïga-Ba)... we practically had a second starting lineup on the bench; now we've got one very good player, one pretty good player, and three or four players that don't even look like they belong in the league half the time.
So no, I am decidedly not sold on the bench... Sometimes, when the bench puts up big numbers, it's because you really do have a great bench. And sometimes, when the bench puts up big numbers, it just means that the starters ain't getting the job done... I won't speak for anyone else, but I know what side of that argument I think this year's reserves fall on.
while it's true that the other teams don't play their bench as much as we do, it's also because they don't have a bench like we do. I'm not saying our bench is better than any other starting five there, BUT compared to the other benches in the league, our bench is pretty good.
On the two sides of the argument you mentioned: YES the there were games the bench played and brought the goods, AND there were games when they had "stats" because the starters didn't play that well. I don't see how that negates their contribution.
NOTE: don't misconstrue this to mean that I think our bench is better than our bench for the past 2 years. Those benches were really good. But this year the bench is not too shabby (esp when compared to the other benches).
On the two sides of the argument you mentioned: YES the there were games the bench played and brought the goods, AND there were games when they had "stats" because the starters didn't play that well. I don't see how that negates their contribution.
NOTE: don't misconstrue this to mean that I think our bench is better than our bench for the past 2 years. Those benches were really good. But this year the bench is not too shabby (esp when compared to the other benches).
And I'm saying that's a Red Herring; I don't think that you can compare our bench's production to the production of other team's benches, when we're pretty much the only team where the bench gets significant time.
Once again, I cite Phoenix as an example: they don't play their bench much, because their starters are good enough to win without them... so of course their numbers aren't going to compare favorably to the Monarchs. And you can say the same for San Antonio. In fact, no team in contention for the playoffs plays more players for 20+ minutes than Sacramento.
I suppose it comes down to point of view: you seem to think that we play the bench so much because they're pretty good, and I think that we play the bench so much because of lack of options... Also, you seem to be prepared to call them good based on how they compare to the other benches in the league this year, whereas in order for me to be willing to consider a bench to be "good," I have to consider them good not merely against the other benches that year, but against other "good" benches in the history of the league.
Anybody can look good against weak competition; in order to be Good, you have to be Good... and this bench really isn't Good; I'm not even convinced that they're good.
Once again, I cite Phoenix as an example: they don't play their bench much, because their starters are good enough to win without them... so of course their numbers aren't going to compare favorably to the Monarchs. And you can say the same for San Antonio. In fact, no team in contention for the playoffs plays more players for 20+ minutes than Sacramento.
I suppose it comes down to point of view: you seem to think that we play the bench so much because they're pretty good, and I think that we play the bench so much because of lack of options... Also, you seem to be prepared to call them good based on how they compare to the other benches in the league this year, whereas in order for me to be willing to consider a bench to be "good," I have to consider them good not merely against the other benches that year, but against other "good" benches in the history of the league.
Anybody can look good against weak competition; in order to be Good, you have to be Good... and this bench really isn't Good; I'm not even convinced that they're good.
are you now saying that our bench's stats are because of a lack luster starting five? .....i beg to differ.
and yes, i'd compare them to other benches in the league this year. you must compare apples to apples.
oh, and if it makes you happy, I'll rephrase it to: among the teams this year, we have the most productive bench.
I wouldn't say "lackluster," no; they're trying out there... They just aren't particularly getting it done on a nightly basis.
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