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Evans' future in Sacramento uncertain

While it's not known whether the Kings (14-27) have fielded calls regarding Tyreke Evans, it's safe to say the third-year player's long-term future with the team is uncertain.
The 2009-10 Rookie of the Year is no longer considered the centerpiece of the Kings' new core, with that distinction clearly belonging to second-year center DeMarcus Cousins. Evans is eligible for an extension this summer but it's looking unlikely to be offered unless he shows major improvement.
His poor outside shooting remains an issue, and Evans' role changed drastically last month when he was moved from the point guard spot to small forward. Coach Keith Smart is using him as a point forward at times, a move that was inspired both by the poor play of veteran small forward John Salmons and the surprisingly good play of rookie point guard Isaiah Thomas. But the 6-foot-6 Evans is struggling with the adjustment, in large part because he isn't used to playing off the ball so frequently or not having a significant size advantage over his counterpart. The presence of guard Marcus Thornton has changed matters, too, as he is leading the team in shots per game at 15.5 (to Evans' 15.2 and Cousins' 14.2).
Evans, who has one season remaining on his rookie contract and could be a restricted free agent next summer, simply doesn't shine like he did in his debut. And if the Kings are convinced that Evans is likely gone after next season, they might be willing to move him for someone who can help expedite this slowest of rebuilding efforts.

Makes sense if they have no clue what is his value.
 
While it's not known whether the Kings (14-27) have fielded calls regarding Tyreke Evans, it's safe to say the third-year player's long-term future with the team is uncertain.

Those two parts stuck out to me...

In other words.....it sounds just like a guess.
 
I've said before i wouldn't be averse to a trade if we're getting back an all star caliber sure thing player. A collection of mid level mundanity and i would be seriously miffed.
 
Those two parts stuck out to me...

In other words.....it sounds just like a guess.



Yeah, its just speculation on Amicks part. But he's probably closer to inside info than Jones is, considering all the great insightful articles that Jones has written. If one reads between the lines, one could assume that Tyreke is less than thrilled with the way he's being used, and that other pastures could appear greener. Considering that most of us are disappointed in the progress of his jumpshot, I have little doubt, that the powers that be feel the same way. So if the right deal were to come along, I seriously doubt that he's untouchable. Just exactly what that right deal is, I have no idea. Depends on the value the Kings put on Tyreke.

The way I always try to look at a possible trade, is how big a hole does the player your trading leave behind, and how big a hole are you filling? So if Tyreke is no longer considered a PG by the orginization, that leaves him at either the SF positon, where I don't think he fits best, because of only being a little over 6'5", or the SG position. So if we were to trade him for a top SF, we would be filling a large hole on the team, and since we already have Thornton at the SG position, (the easiest postion in the NBA to fill by the way) the hole he left behind would be smaller than the hole filled. As long as the trade was for equal talent.

So I wouldn't be stunned if he was moved at the trading deadline. I doubt it will happen, but if your trying to make a big move to improve the team, your going to have to give up some big talent. I guess we'll know in a few days..
 
Yeah, its just speculation on Amicks part. But he's probably closer to inside info than Jones is, considering all the great insightful articles that Jones has written. If one reads between the lines, one could assume that Tyreke is less than thrilled with the way he's being used, and that other pastures could appear greener. Considering that most of us are disappointed in the progress of his jumpshot, I have little doubt, that the powers that be feel the same way. So if the right deal were to come along, I seriously doubt that he's untouchable. Just exactly what that right deal is, I have no idea. Depends on the value the Kings put on Tyreke.

The way I always try to look at a possible trade, is how big a hole does the player your trading leave behind, and how big a hole are you filling? So if Tyreke is no longer considered a PG by the orginization, that leaves him at either the SF positon, where I don't think he fits best, because of only being a little over 6'5", or the SG position. So if we were to trade him for a top SF, we would be filling a large hole on the team, and since we already have Thornton at the SG position, (the easiest postion in the NBA to fill by the way) the hole he left behind would be smaller than the hole filled. As long as the trade was for equal talent.

So I wouldn't be stunned if he was moved at the trading deadline. I doubt it will happen, but if your trying to make a big move to improve the team, your going to have to give up some big talent. I guess we'll know in a few days..

I'll go on record saying that this would move the Kings a step back, not forward.
That being said, I'd like for him to go to a team that knows not to play him at small forward. Also, I would like a young all-star caliber player, AND a draft pick, preferably in this year's draft.

BTW, who in the history of the NBA, has succeeded in being moved from to an off the ball position while now being smaller than his opponents? That line in and of itself seems to isolate the problem rather clearly - and it isn't with Evans.
 
One more thing I want to add, If Evans does not think he has been used right plz let be known because he basically has been the keys to the franchise the last 2 years especially since Beno was traded away but I'm not sure thats the case.
 
I'm not sure I'm really ready to give up on Tyreke, but I think the only players I wouldn't be overly upset about trading for would be Wall and Rondo.

There are plenty of big men and small forwards that we can draft, and there are a few small forwards we can go after in free agency so I would really prefer to get a point guard in return if we trade Evans
 
I'm not sure I'm really ready to give up on Tyreke, but I think the only players I wouldn't be overly upset about trading for would be Wall and Rondo.

There are plenty of big men and small forwards that we can draft, and there are a few small forwards we can go after in free agency so I would really prefer to get a point guard in return if we trade Evans

Evans
Hickson
Honeycutt/Whiteside

for

Wall

This could possibly pry Wall from them. I think we could give up a lot less for Rondo considering Boston is looking to trade him.
 
There's no way Washington gives up Wall but maybe they give us McGee :D

I'm a big Rondo fan as i've said before but i really don't know that he helps us in the position we're in right now, so when i try and think of players who would satisfy me as a fan for a extremely skilled, young and potentially excellent player like Evans i really can't think of any realistic ones.
 
There's no way Washington gives up Wall but maybe they give us McGee :D

I'm a big Rondo fan as i've said before but i really don't know that he helps us in the position we're in right now, so when i try and think of players who would satisfy me as a fan for a extremely skilled, young and potentially excellent player like Evans i really can't think of any realistic ones.

This is the Rondo trade, allwoing them to clear thier books at our expense, and us to pretend we're a poor man's Boston:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6063377


Nonetheless, that article or whatever by SAmick doesn't actually state anything. Just observations any of us could make with spome speculation thrown in. Coudl something happen for the right player? Sure. Always. But this article doesn't change things/tell us anything we didn't already know. Its also getting a bit out of date with IT's day in the sun fading a bit in the rear view mirror. Exactly what SF are we goign to trade Reke for that would nto have led to a catastrophe last night with 0 toital assists out of our backcourt? Call Reke a SF and he's easily one fo the 5 best assistmen there, and remains the best we have. He fills so many holes there is no player we can get back who does the same. Rondo can't score and the SF hole reopens. Gay won't pass and we become the most selfish team in history with no starting PG. etc.
 
This is the Rondo trade, allwoing them to clear thier books at our expense, and us to pretend we're a poor man's Boston:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6063377


Nonetheless, that article or whatever by SAmick doesn't actually state anything. Just observations any of us could make with spome speculation thrown in. Coudl something happen for the right player? Sure. Always. But this article doesn't change things/tell us anything we didn't already know. Its also getting a bit out of date with IT's day in the sun fading a bit in the rear view mirror. Exactly what SF are we goign to trade Reke for that would nto have led to a catastrophe last night with 0 toital assists out of our backcourt? Call Reke a SF and he's easily one fo the 5 best assistmen there, and remains the best we have. He fills so many holes there is no player we can get back who does the same. Rondo can't score and the SF hole reopens. Gay won't pass and we become the most selfish team in history with no starting PG. etc.

So Wall it is :D
 
You know, up till now I hadn't even really considered trading Evans or who we might get. But baja's idea of trading for a SF is intriguing, given the emergence of Isaiah, and also the confidence Smart seems to have in developing Jimmer.

If we can get a seriously top flight SF, who is also an excellent defender, I would listen. That would also clear some things up for us with this three guard hullaballoo.

Batum and something else perhaps, although I don't think there's any way Portland gives him up.

Maybe Granger.
 
Yeah, its just speculation on Amicks part. But he's probably closer to inside info than Jones is, considering all the great insightful articles that Jones has written. If one reads between the lines, one could assume that Tyreke is less than thrilled with the way he's being used, and that other pastures could appear greener. Considering that most of us are disappointed in the progress of his jumpshot, I have little doubt, that the powers that be feel the same way. So if the right deal were to come along, I seriously doubt that he's untouchable. Just exactly what that right deal is, I have no idea. Depends on the value the Kings put on Tyreke.

The way I always try to look at a possible trade, is how big a hole does the player your trading leave behind, and how big a hole are you filling? So if Tyreke is no longer considered a PG by the orginization, that leaves him at either the SF positon, where I don't think he fits best, because of only being a little over 6'5", or the SG position. So if we were to trade him for a top SF, we would be filling a large hole on the team, and since we already have Thornton at the SG position, (the easiest postion in the NBA to fill by the way) the hole he left behind would be smaller than the hole filled. As long as the trade was for equal talent.

So I wouldn't be stunned if he was moved at the trading deadline. I doubt it will happen, but if your trying to make a big move to improve the team, your going to have to give up some big talent. I guess we'll know in a few days..

Exactly. And it wouldn't surprise me if they considered not just the small forward position, but also the SG position, or a swing guy who could play both. In a similar vein, there has been a lot of talk on this board about MT being more of the guy off the bench as a Bobby Jackson point a minute guy, so the Kings may also be pondering that also in looking at their options.
 
Those two parts stuck out to me...

In other words.....it sounds just like a guess.
That was my reaction, too. Nothing new there other than Amick's views of what might be. I'm not sharing the concern or opinions I've read of Amick's and on these threads. Of course Evans role has changed. And I think for the better. He may have to struggle more on defense because of size differences but I think he is and will do well. His assists have stayed up. His rebounds are still there. His points are down some but so is the number of shots. I think he is adjusting well and will continue to grow. I would guess that that view is the Kings's view as well. Don't think he going anywhere. Time will tell.
 
Evans
Hickson
Honeycutt/Whiteside

for

Wall

This could possibly pry Wall from them. I think we could give up a lot less for Rondo considering Boston is looking to trade him.

Evans has a poor jumper so we should trade him for John Wall?
 
not sure if this is planned by smart but it might help evans in other aspects of his game such as moving without the ball, force him to improve his jumper. hopefully evans looks at the bigger picture as an opportunity for growth.
 
Yahoo has both Evans and Jennings on the block. We could work out a straight swap there involving IT if we must.
 
The thought of acquiring Jennings entered my mind...then quickly left. Its kind of peculiar how the 3 "future allstar" pointguards of the 09 draft have fallen from grace so quickly. Jennings has fallen off, Evans has show a lack of improvement, and Curry can't stay healthy.
 
The thought of acquiring Jennings entered my mind...then quickly left. Its kind of peculiar how the 3 "future allstar" pointguards of the 09 draft have fallen from grace so quickly. Jennings has fallen off, Evans has show a lack of improvement, and Curry can't stay healthy.

It's normal for young players to struggle. Think fans in Wisc or Oakland want to ship either out as much as fans here want to ship Reke out, even though he influences the game in many other ways than either, who both suck defensively btw? Wall can't shoot. BJ is a great shooter some days, and worse than Reke others, Incredibly inconsistent and doesn't defend. Curry is a great shooter, can create, but is the worst defender of the four(Reke/Wall/BJ/Curry), and generally can be a liability against larger back courts.

Same could be said for Wall. Think Wash fans want to ship him out for Augustin, or other similar names we've heard? Rose was great for fans in Chi, but could have been the worst think to happen for fans in other markets with young PG's. Seems fans think Rose's rise is the norm, and Reke's struggles are the exception, when in reality what Reke/Jennings/Curry/Wall are going through is the norm, and Rose was the exception.

I wonder how Reke would be right now if he had been coached by Thibbs instead of the Westy/Smart crap combo.
 
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