Sac City Council members tip their hands on arena vote

[Mike0476]

Aaron Bruski of NBC Sports’ ProBasketballTalk guestimates how some on the council may vote when the actual funding proposal is brought to the table.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....ouncil-members-tip-their-hands-on-arena-vote/

Below is a Tweet from Rob McAllister. I don't remember the Bee or anyone else reporting on this fact.

 

[Section 101]

Aaron Bruski of NBC Sports’ ProBasketballTalk guestimates how some on the council may vote when the actual funding proposal is brought to the table.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....ouncil-members-tip-their-hands-on-arena-vote/

Below is a Tweet from Rob McAllister. I don't remember the Bee or anyone else reporting on this fact.

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I believe KJ only votes to break a tie.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I believe KJ only votes to break a tie.

I don't know the mechanics of that, but it would seem not to matter. There are 8 council members, and KJ is a dedicated "yes", so with 4 "yes" votes from the council, things go forward, and with only 3 KJ's vote, if he gets one, wouldn't matter.

 

[Section 101]

I don't know the mechanics of that, but it would seem not to matter. There are 8 council members, and KJ is a dedicated "yes", so with 4 "yes" votes from the council, things go forward, and with only 3 KJ's vote, if he gets one, wouldn't matter.

It does if a "yes" vote misses the meeting for whatever reason.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Aaron Bruski of NBC Sports’ ProBasketballTalk guestimates how some on the council may vote when the actual funding proposal is brought to the table.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....ouncil-members-tip-their-hands-on-arena-vote/

I basically agree with Bruski's assessment. I would put Ashby and Pannell in the KJ/Rob Fong lock category as well, with Schenirer > Cohn > McCarty in the swing vote category (Schenirer most likely to vote yes, but I think all are positively disposed towards an arena). Darrell Fong could go either way, I'm just not sure. Sheedy is probably going to vote no.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

It does if a "yes" vote misses the meeting for whatever reason.

But if there were only 7 council members present, there couldn't be a tie, right?

 

[rainmaker]

Anyone want to kidnap Sheedy with me? We can lock her in a room and force her to watch re-runs of the Kings glory days, for hours on end.

 

[Section 101]

But if there were only 7 council members present, there couldn't be a tie, right?

Correct, which could mean KJ doesnt get a vote to tie it. Just saying the article makes it sound like KJ's gets a vote. He only votes as a tie breaker.

 

[JB_kings]

I think the breakdown is pretty good based on what I've watched. Although I am very leery of Steve Cohn. He's been a loose cannon in the past and has shown that he can put his own agenda and career ahead of the city needs.

I was pretty shocked at all the loose assumptions made by council members like Sheedy and Cohn. They made it sound like the city was the only one with "skin" in this deal. And yet Taylor and Icon both put up about $250,000 worth of their own resources into this and haven't charged the city a dime. And AEG coming out and confirming interest and coming with upfront cash into the deal. And then treated with comments like "who else can we get to bid?" statements. You would think these council members would do some basic checking and realize that entities like AEG coming to the deal is nothing short of a real difference maker.

 

[Mike0476]

I agree with Bruski's assessment as we are still headed in the right direction and things are progressing as scheduled.

I still believe this will get done.

But we still need YOUR support.

 

[kennadog]

I believe KJ only votes to break a tie.

Not true. The mayor has the same voting rights as the other council members.

From the City Charter:

§ 40 Mayor—Functions.

(a) The presiding officer of the city shall be the mayor.

(b) The mayor:

(1) Shall be recognized as the official head of the city for the performance of all duties lawfully delegated to the mayor by this Charter, by action of the council or by other laws.

(2) Shall provide leadership within the community in the sense that the mayor shall have the primary, but not exclusive, responsibility of interpreting the policies, programs and needs of city government to the people, and as the occasion requires, may inform the people of any change in policy or program;

(3) Shall have the right but not the exclusive power to make recommendations to the city council on matters of policy and program that require council decisions;

(4) Shall be a member of the city council and shall be entitled to make and second motions on matters before the city council and vote on city council actions, but shall possess no veto power over actions of the city council;

(5) Shall be included within the terms “council” and “city council” used in this Charter unless otherwise expressly provided;

(6) May propose ordinances and resolutions which shall be considered by the city council;

(7) Shall appoint and may remove members of the boards and commissions and advisory agencies in accordance with Article XV except as otherwise provided in this Charter;

(8) Shall have and exercise such other powers and duties as provided in this Charter, the laws of the state, and ordinances and resolutions of the city.

 

[kennadog]

It does if a "yes" vote misses the meeting for whatever reason.

Nobody's going to miss that meeting, unless they are in the hospital on life support.

 

[kennadog]

I think the breakdown is pretty good based on what I've watched. Although I am very leery of Steve Cohn. He's been a loose cannon in the past and has shown that he can put his own agenda and career ahead of the city needs.

I was pretty shocked at all the loose assumptions made by council members like Sheedy and Cohn. They made it sound like the city was the only one with "skin" in this deal. And yet Taylor and Icon both put up about $250,000 worth of their own resources into this and haven't charged the city a dime. And AEG coming out and confirming interest and coming with upfront cash into the deal. And then treated with comments like "who else can we get to bid?" statements. You would think these council members would do some basic checking and realize that entities like AEG coming to the deal is nothing short of a real difference maker.

It was pretty ridiculous. Sheedy and Cohn seem to have forgot that Taylor/ICOn was the proposal they selected from among 7 proposals. Technically that didn't guarantee they'd get the contract, but geesh. Not only have Taylor/ICON put a fair bit of money in so far, but the aren't getting the development agreement through this vote.

They are getting a pre-development agreement, which is something I haven't seen before and the city staff said it was something not done before. The reason they are entering into it, is becasue they want ICON to bring an equity partner like AEG, who will pay for the rest of the pre-development money.

Pre-development money is the money at biggest risk in any development project. You may have to put millions of dollars into studies, reports, engineering, design, lawyers, etc, with no guarantee that the project won't work and you just spent all that money for nothing.

One council memeber did point out that the city has invested at least as much as ICON-Taylor so far, interms of city staff time and all the paper. That's probably true. But $550,000is small potatoes compared to the rest of the development money needed. So the city is hoping an equity investor will take on the biggest risk of all for a lot more money. If it happens that way, the city gets to minimize their risk at this ealry stage. A good deal.

 

[Livinthedream]

Cohn makes me nervous as well. I general, he has never really been for an arena at any time. I think he's feeling political pressure to do so, but his hearts not in it. During the last meeting when he made the comment that he didn't want street parking east of 16th street to be a problem, my jaw dropped. At minimum, that is 12 blocks away from the proposed arena and is not even relevant. That, along with him saying the city is the only entity putting up money so far, leads me to believe that Cohn is looking for a politically correct way to oppose the plan.

 

[Bricklayer]

Cohn makes me nervous as well. I general, he has never really been for an arena at any time. I think he's feeling political pressure to do so, but his hearts not in it. During the last meeting when he made the comment that he didn't want street parking east of 16th street to be a problem, my jaw dropped. At minimum, that is 12 blocks away from the proposed arena and is not even relevant. That, along with him saying the city is the only entity putting up money so far, leads me to believe that Cohn is looking for a politically correct way to oppose the plan.

That would track with what we know of him. Outside of oh, I don't know, VOTING HIM OUT, I think he's an obvious snake in the grass and you are just going to have to count on passing things 8-1 (or 7-2 with the ditz as well) rather than letting him in to gum up the works.