Rumor: Randolph & #6 for Big Al or Love & #4

[rainmaker]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67032/20100605/warriors_anticipate_more_trade_discussions/
Here is one link. I have seen this reported elsewhere. Looks like Minn and GS are in talks to swap the #4 and #6, with Randolph and either Love or Big Al involved. My question is how would this effect the Kings? I believe the Warriors, if they get Love or Big Al in return, will go after johnson, leaving Cousins to still fall to us. But do you guys think GS wants to move up to go after Cousins? I don't see it, especially if they are looking for a big in return in addition to the #4. I would think Johnson would fit perfectly with the GS style of play.

Also, if randolph and the #6 is what Minn is looking for in return for the 4th pick, why not offer Spencer or JT and the #5? Is that a possibilty? We might be able to get Love and the #4. I'm just brainstorming here. It's not likely, but given this rumor, is might be psooible. I would give up Spencer or JT in I knew we would get Cousins in return, and possibly Love. Randolph has a lot of talent, but is one of the most unproven players from his draft class.

This is just a rumor, but something different to talk about.

 

[Sparky6string]

Could be that one of the points is to unload one of their big men so the transaction may have to include either Love or Jefferson. Love is an undersized yet strong PF with great rebounding, Al is a large PF that can score in bunches but isn't real keen on D. I don't know that we need either one, but I guess Al would be best.

I'd prefer to keep JT but Hawes can go. Also I'd like to see what Randolph can do in someone elses system.

If we know that GS is interested in Johnson though maybe we can get into the trade as a third party or just watch it from a distance as GS picks Johnson and leaves us Cousins.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Looks like Minn and GS are in talks to swap the #4 and #6, with Randolph and either Love or Big Al involved.

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Even taking salary into account, heck, even taking a positional logjam into account, I think that either Jefferson or Love is more valuable than Anthony Randolph. Why does Minnesota move down in the draft AND move talent out of town?

It would make more sense if the pick swap were not involved, and it would suggest that Minny was interested in taking Cousins at #4, and using the trade to clear up minutes in the frontcourt while picking up a SF with potential.

Also, if randolph and the #6 is what Minn is looking for in return for the 4th pick, why not offer Spencer or JT and the #5? Is that a possibilty? We might be able to get Love and the #4.

My guess is that if there's any truth to this at all (meaning the pick swap as well as the players), then it means that David Kahn has fallen in love with Randolph. Which doesn't surprise me given that David Kahn seems to be prone to making bad decisions. But it that's the case, then Randolph is the key to the deal, and JT/Spencer wouldn't get it done.

If it's a straight-up swap without the pick swap, then Minny is probably trying to clear frontcourt space for Cousins, and they wouldn't likely want JT/Spencer back for Love.

 

[bajaden]

This deal doesn't make any sense to me. The 4th pick is better than the 6th pick, and either Jefferson or Love is better than Randolph. Randolph may be loaded with potential but he's proved nothing yet in two years in the league. He's been constantly injured, playing a total of 96 games in two years, while averaging a whooping 11.6 PPG.

The Timberwolves need someone that can hit the 3pt shot consistantly, and Randolph seldem, if ever shoots from there. I have no doubts that Kahn might be interested in Randolph, but I can't believe he would give up that much to aquire an unproven player. Now a straight up deal involving Ellis and Jefferson I could see.

 

[Emma]

Kevin Love is almost worth Hawes and #5 by himself. If the Kings get in on this I'd be super happy. (kids television )

 

[KingsCitizen]

This trade might push through is somehow Beidrins comes into the picture.

Beidrins + Randolph + #6 for Jefferson + # 4

Twolves get a C and a backup PF and they might get Aminu or Johnson(if he slides to 6)

Warriors get a PF and may get Cousins as their new C.

 

[SacKings7]

Yeah I saw this rumor a few days ago. I'd love a #5 + Thompson or Hawes (+filler?) for Love or Jefferson and #4, but if we'd be getting Love then I'd prefer we send Hawes out. I really hope Petrie at least tries something like this

It looks like Minny is targeting Gay with their cap space as well. Not sure about Gay, but I can see Redick landing in Minnesota

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i don't get the lovefest w/ minneys bigs..

AJ is a beast on offense but plays like zero d. he can get exposed by quicker PFs.

 

[Kingster]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67032/20100605/warriors_anticipate_more_trade_discussions/
Here is one link. I have seen this reported elsewhere. Looks like Minn and GS are in talks to swap the #4 and #6, with Randolph and either Love or Big Al involved. My question is how would this effect the Kings? I believe the Warriors, if they get Love or Big Al in return, will go after johnson, leaving Cousins to still fall to us. But do you guys think GS wants to move up to go after Cousins? I don't see it, especially if they are looking for a big in return in addition to the #4. I would think Johnson would fit perfectly with the GS style of play.

Also, if randolph and the #6 is what Minn is looking for in return for the 4th pick, why not offer Spencer or JT and the #5? Is that a possibilty? We might be able to get Love and the #4. I'm just brainstorming here. It's not likely, but given this rumor, is might be psooible. I would give up Spencer or JT in I knew we would get Cousins in return, and possibly Love. Randolph has a lot of talent, but is one of the most unproven players from his draft class.

This is just a rumor, but something different to talk about.

I can definitely see GS being interested in Cousins. They have a whole bunch of skinny quick guys so just to balance it out they would want Cousins. What I don't really get is the the Big Al or Love thing. I don't think either one of those is very compatible with Cousins because the ideal guy to have at pf with Cousins is a long quick guy who is good defensively from the weak side. Those guys are the opposite.

If GS wants Cousins badly, and Cousins is available when we pick, I'd try to make a deal with them for their #6 along with some other valuable piece.

 

[Nighthawk1]

I don't get the over-valueing of Anthony Randolph if this is true... This kid has potential but this just smells like BS.

 

[sdballer]

I don't get the over-valueing of Anthony Randolph if this is true... This kid has potential but this just smells like BS.

I actually think kings fans undervalue Randolph a bit. He has had some injury issues and he's in no way maximizing his potential but I think he could end up being a really good player. In just over 20 minutes/game as a starter for a short stretch last year, he average 12 points, over 6 boards and 2.5 blocks. This for a coach that inevitably has little patience with young bigs.

I think he has as much potential as anybody after the top 4 guys in this years draft. If there was a way to grab him while trading down one spot and not having to give up too much, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[hammystyle]

I don't get the over-valueing of Anthony Randolph if this is true... This kid has potential but this just smells like BS.

He's younger than Hassan Whiteside and has put up massive block and rebound per minute numbers in the NBA. He's reportedly up to 230 now. If he was a junior at LSU he could have very easily averaged something like 19p/11r/3 bpg. And that's really on the low side. Where would he go in this draft as a 6'10 230 lb junior with that kind of statline?

 

[sdballer]

He's younger than Hassan Whiteside and has put up massive block and rebound per minute numbers in the NBA. He's reportedly up to 230 now. If he was a junior at LSU he could have very easily averaged something like 19p/11r/3 bpg. And that's really on the low side. Where would he go in this draft as a 6'10 230 lb junior with that kind of statline?

exactly.

 

[bajaden]

I can definitely see GS being interested in Cousins. They have a whole bunch of skinny quick guys so just to balance it out they would want Cousins. What I don't really get is the the Big Al or Love thing. I don't think either one of those is very compatible with Cousins because the ideal guy to have at pf with Cousins is a long quick guy who is good defensively from the weak side. Those guys are the opposite.

If GS wants Cousins badly, and Cousins is available when we pick, I'd try to make a deal with them for their #6 along with some other valuable piece.

No thanks. I'll keep Cousins..

 

[Kingster]

No thanks. I'll keep Cousins..

So you don't even know what the other "valuable piece" might be and you dismiss the deal? You have a man-crush on the guy... Not even interested in looking at other guys? That's when you know you're smitten...

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

So you don't even know what the other "valuable piece" might be and you dismiss the deal? You have a man-crush on the guy... Not even interested in looking at other guys? That's when you know you're smitten...

It's a quick job to discern the real talent on the Warriors roster: it starts and ends with Ellis, Curry and Randolph. When you think about how much of a beast Cousins is and will be, it's an easy choice to make.

 

[Kingster]

It's a quick job to discern the real talent on the Warriors roster: it starts and ends with Ellis, Curry and Randolph. When you think about how much of a beast Cousins is and will be, it's an easy choice to make.

So Curry and the #6 doesn't interest you for Cousins? Ellis and the #6? Randolph and the #6? Speaking theoretically, of course.

 

[TTown Kings]

So Curry and the #6 doesn't interest you for Cousins? Ellis and the #6? Randolph and the #6? Speaking theoretically, of course.

No way they'd give up Curry or Monta and the #6 for the #5 and anyone on our team not named Tyreke.

 

[Kingster]

No way they'd give up Curry or Monta and the #6 for the #5 and anyone on our team not named Tyreke.

That's why I added, "theoretically". I didn't want to get into the discussion of probability, just a discussion of entertaining other offers if they should arise.

 

[bajaden]

So you don't even know what the other "valuable piece" might be and you dismiss the deal? You have a man-crush on the guy... Not even interested in looking at other guys? That's when you know you're smitten...

I know all the bigs on the Warriors. I'd take Cousins over all of them. I'm not a big Ellis fan so, who else would they offer that I would want. It has nothing to do with a man crush. It has to do with whats best for the team. At least in my opinion. I'm not saying I wouldn't trade the pick or Cousins. I'm just not in love with anyone on the Warriors. At least to the extent of dealing the 5th pick if it happens to be Cousins. I'm sure many would disagree with me.

Now if you want to make it a three team deal where Minny ends up with Randolph, we end up with Jefferson, and the Warriors end up with a thumb up their butt, Hey, OK with me.

 

[bajaden]

That's why I added, "theoretically". I didn't want to get into the discussion of probability, just a discussion of entertaining other offers if they should arise.

I think whatever trade thats suggested should have some credibility to it. There's no way the Warriors trade Curry, so what would be the point of proposing such a trade. They might be interested in moving Ellis, but not for the 5th pick in the draft and Hawes, or whoever's not named Evans.

 

[Gary]

This trade might push through is somehow Beidrins comes into the picture.

Beidrins + Randolph + #6 for Jefferson + # 4

Twolves get a C and a backup PF and they might get Aminu or Johnson(if he slides to 6)

Warriors get a PF and may get Cousins as their new C.

Jefferson doesn't like playing C (he's a PF).. But if this trade goes through I can see GS taking Cousins... Both Jefferson and Cousins would make GS a great rebounding team. Especially if they didn't have to give up Randolph.

 

[Nighthawk1]

I don't deny AR's upside, and recently I proposed a trade thread targeting just him.. However this seems like GSW blowing smoke to increase AR's trade value because they plan on offing him... AR + 6 isn't equal value for Love or AL Jeff + 4...

 

[hammystyle]

I don't deny AR's upside, and recently I proposed a trade thread targeting just him.. However this seems like GSW blowing smoke to increase AR's trade value because they plan on offing him... AR + 6 isn't equal value for Love or AL Jeff + 4...

Not its not. I think its one of those rumors where some dummy just combined all of the possible principles into the actual proposal. The T-Wolves aren't trading the #4 and Love or Jefferson for the #6 and AR. But they are probly talking to the Warriors about AR, and then in that trade convsersation the #6, Love, the #4, And Jefferson all come up as possibilities.

Similarly the Sixers aren't just giving up the #2 pick if someone takes Brand's contract. Try selling that to the fans. It needs to be Brand's contract and probly a lotto pick. No one's going to do that, but that is their current demand. "Detroit, you want to move up from 7? Ok, take Brand back."