ParniValjak
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Rumours are Nyets are discussing this deal because they think that it might be difficult to keep Livingston and he is likely to go elsewhere for his payday!
Rumor mill heating up June 19
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Gary
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Gross, double gross and triple gross! All three are disgusting human beings, looks and attitude.
Gary
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Livingston is worth a payday? He hasn't done enough to garner one imo.. He's at best veteran minimum.
Entity
Hall of Famer
It was me that was lobbying so hard for jack last year because of his combo and defensive abilities
He was really good last year
ParniValjak
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I can guarantee you he will get more than veteran minimum and he will get a longer deal than the usual ones he has been signing since the horific knee injury. His payday is simply going to be getting some guaranteed long term money. He will get himself a 3-4 year deal for $10-12 million from somewhere.
I would not mind us signing him for that type of money based on the season he had with Brooklyn this year,
Entity
Hall of Famer
We got a lot of options out there. In the past I was afraid of what we might do. Now I feel like whatever moves we make will be for the good
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KingMilz
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I would give him a Landry deal no worries (I would pay about 7.5-8mill max for him), he's a massive PG/SG who plays both ends and impacts the game more than his numbers suggest, he was the biggest reason to the Nets turn around so he has in fact earnt a very solid pay day. The guy clearly has elite character/heart you don't come back from that knee injury and play at the level he did, plus athletically he's more than fine still.
If there is one guy in the NBA that has earnt a pay day it's Livingston. If the Kings had more players like Livingston we would actually be a good team instead we are stuck with a bunch of chuckers with no heart who get burnt on defence religiously.
Gary
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You're talking 10-12mil for 3 years? As in 3.5-4mil a year right? That's about where I would put him. I took a look at the vet minimum and it's lower than I thought. It's at about 1.6mil/year or so for him. I would give him 3-4mil a year. My mistake.
Chicken Chaser
Bench
Found a clip of the injury. I regret watching it. My jaw just dropped for a good 30 seconds after that. Speechless.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Rumor out of Chicago is that not only are they interested in Afflalo, but that they may be interested in trading their picks away...but not for other picks. The rumor is they don't want to take on any rookie scale contracts at all because they are trying to save cap room for Melo etc.
While its not my main idea for how to do it., I wonder then if there is any possibility of snagging one of them in return for eliminating all conditions on that pick we owe them for next year. Be a bit of a risk if we remain terrible, but unencumbering that pick would be a real release of future assets and make planning and future trading much easier.
While its not my main idea for how to do it., I wonder then if there is any possibility of snagging one of them in return for eliminating all conditions on that pick we owe them for next year. Be a bit of a risk if we remain terrible, but unencumbering that pick would be a real release of future assets and make planning and future trading much easier.
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
Stauskas and McDermott keep popping up in Kings news and both have been in twice. Both outstanding shooters and great kids, good fits for Kings for slightly different reasons: Stauskas an excellent ball handler guard, McDermott a true forward and rebounder. Real question would be who could contribute more sooner?
MassachusettsKingsFan
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McDermott is sort of a fit on one side of the ball, and the opposite of fit on the other side. I'd argue that he isn't a fit, period.
That pick would drive me crazy. We don't need more scoring. This would be a pretty good indicator for what kind of GM PDA is. I can't imagine Malone would be on board with McDermott, either.
That pick would drive me crazy. We don't need more scoring. This would be a pretty good indicator for what kind of GM PDA is. I can't imagine Malone would be on board with McDermott, either.
If the pick is McDermott I'm going to be really unhappy. If it's Stauskas I would assume McLemore is getting moved.
I don't dislike Stauskas but I think his ceiling is as a nice role player. This team still doesn't have a core of talent to start putting role players around.
I think both guys are a cop out pick when this team needs to be swinging for the fences if they hope to ever go beyond being a lottery team or squeaking into the first round of the playoffs.
I don't dislike Stauskas but I think his ceiling is as a nice role player. This team still doesn't have a core of talent to start putting role players around.
I think both guys are a cop out pick when this team needs to be swinging for the fences if they hope to ever go beyond being a lottery team or squeaking into the first round of the playoffs.
But at the SG position we don't even have a role player now with Ben. Getting a decent ball handling role player at SG would not be a copout in my mind. Stauskas starts, Ben off the bench, potentially a big upgrade for us. Might even make Thomas a viable starter.
King Baller
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I would take pick 16 or 19 in this years draft for the Kings pick in next years draft. Especially since the Bulls already own the rights to next years pick if the Kings finish out of the bottom 10.
This helps the Bulls manage the Cap and sign a Star Player. The Kings get an extra pick and the restraints are gone on future picks.
Nice!
Entity
Hall of Famer
Wish we could get in on the afflalo talks or if Chicago is bringing him in maybe get jimmy butler.
Sac.Kings
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I still think we are more likely to move the pick than not. I think PDA and co are well aware of what is at stake this season. Progress needs to be made and rookie won't make that happen at 8. I am really forward to the draft, lots of teams are willing to deal and I am hoping we snag a good trade.
Livinthedream
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I agree both picks are a cop 0ut. You don't need to use the 8th pick on a role player or players with limited potential. They are safe picks, in that you know what you're going to get. Solid, but nothing that has the potential to transform your team. For all the talk of our front office being aggressive, if we go for either of these two players at the 8th spot, it will show that they're settling and I will have lost some faith.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Would you pick LaVine? He's a swing for the fences kind of guy, with a 9 or 10 ceiling, but 50-50 bust potential imo. He could be one of those guys that you look back on as a star in the making, or he might not ever see all that athleticism realized into being a very good basketball player. He does in fact have great two-way potential. A lot of these guys like Stauskas or McDermott probably have a 7-8 ceiling, and will never be above average defensive players. Say Stauskas and McDermott have a 90% chance of being a legit NBA player with a 7-8 ceiling, and LaVine has a 50% chance of being a 9-10 ceiling player. Say also that Stauskas and McDermott can give you a reasonable amount of impact in Year 1, but Lavine probably is a longer term project, whose talent might be realized in 2-3 years. Who do you take?
To me it signals that the team has given up on McLemore which means both a wasted pick last year AND a huge indictment of this FO's ability to judge talent given how high on him they were last year. I think McLemore comes around this season. I really do. And he has the tools to be a good one-on-one defender where Stauskas doesn't. On the other hand, McLemore's biggest defensive issues were between the ears in terms of getting lost in the team scheme. He was in no man's land on WAY too many possessions last season. But I don't think he's a lost cause in that regard either. He just has to get to the point where things slow down for him on both sides of the ball.
Here's the thing with LaVine for me - based on the eye test he was horribly inconsistent and more often than not a complete non-factor for UCLA. I see the Westbrook comps but I never even saw him handling the ball enough to judge that aspect let alone trust him to run a team. So I think he's more of a 2 than a 1 and at that spot he has average height/length and his sleight build worries me.
And beyond the actual game film and measurables I have yet to find one stat or advanced metric that shows LaVine to be a good player. He shoots relatively well with a solid percentage from 3 but he struggles to get to the rim at his low FT attempts attest, has a poor assist/TO ratio, and his steals rate is WAY too low for an athletic guard/wing on the college level. Steals and steal rate are a couple of those overlooked stats that I think say a lot about how a guys game will translate. For all the talk about how Exum is a "man of mystery" I think LaVine is a much bigger gamble with a lower chance of paying off. I don't see how a slightly built SG with just an average shot, inability to penetrate or create his own shot consistently or play effective defense becomes a real factor on the NBA level, let alone a star.
If I were going to gamble on a guy Clint Capela would be a name I'd have in mind. I think he's probably a reach at #8 but I'd actually be happier with him than McDermott or Stauskas. Capela has a chance to be an Ibaka/Chandler type player and ideal next to Cousins. The issue is that he's incredibly raw and would need time to develop when this FO seems too impatient to take on such a project. Which is why they wouldn't take LaVine either.
And to me that's probably the biggest issue I have with the current Kings front office. Maybe I've become a glass half empty guy over the years but I don't have faith in PDA. I think his rush to build a winner right away is going to end up having this team spin its collective wheels for a few years until he's replaced and the next guy has to do the total rebuild that he should have done to begin with. Only at that point Cousins has moved on. Believe me, I hope I'm wrong, but all the talk from Mullin and D'Alessandro and the moves they've made so far mostly strike me as ones from a FO that just doesn't understand how to build a team.
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CurseOfTheSalmons
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not an upgrade at all. stauskas is an offense only player who contributes nothing defensively, rebounding-wise, toughness wise, etc. he would be iced out and suck just like mclemore in the starting lineup. now, off the bench, he'd def be better than what we got from mclemore last year, but we'd still have a big ol' hole in the starting lineup.
this is what's wrong with your post. very very wrong.
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Appreciate your views. You might be right about Stauskas' readiness to start. I guess I'm hoping for a high-side performance from him. In my view we don't need a star or potential star at SG, we just need a journeyman who has the basics which would help everyone else on the floor play better.
CurseOfTheSalmons
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i don't think we need a star either, just someone who does all those things aside from offense that i mentioned: defense, rebounding, toughness, communication, etc. lots of journeymen who can do just that.
Kingster
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Interesting. I was going to mention Capela in my post, but didn't want to confuse the issue with two players rather than one. I've seen LaVine play; not Capela. Before reading the post, I didn't know people were making comparisons to Westbrook, but that is the athletic comparison I would make - fast, quick, explosive. I saw him guard Hood like Westbrook would guard Jimmer - like sticky-glue. As a freshman at UCLA, Westbrook stats were 3.4 pts, 0.8 rebs, and 0.7 assists per game. Looking back, how many would think in Westbrook's freshman year that he would be an All Star? I'm just pointing out all of these facts to highlight that if one looks at stats when it comes to LaVine, it may not be helpful. And I'm not saying I'd even take the guy. Maybe Capela is the guy to take or another high ceiling player or a young NBA veteran. It's tough when you when you're drafting freshmen out of college or project bigs to know what the future will bring.
This draft selection and/or trade is going to be very telling about PDA's mindset going forward. I agree with you that I'm getting more of a sense of desperation from the Kings camp rather than a patient one. My sentiments about PDA seem very similar to yours - somewhat doubtful about his approach and what the future holds.
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KingMilz
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Livingston and Mclemore would be a very solid backcourt that fit well next to Cousins.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
What on earth are you talking about?
Best best best case? Or fantasy? Or if they both had realized the potential they were thought to have as high school seniors? Or...?
This is what our solid good fitting backcourt would look like:
McLemore 26.7min 8.8reb (.376 .320 .804) 2.9reb 1.0ast 0.5stl 0.2blk 1.2TO
Livingston 26.0min 8.3pts (.483 .167 .827) 3.2reb 3.2ast 1.2stl 0.4blk 1.4TO
Playoffs here we come? Maybe if those two guys were your backups, your #3 and #4 guards...
