Rudy Gay

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this already, but according to hoopshype, the Griz are going to shop Gay around so they can pay their other free agents, etc. We need a SF and Gay happens to be in his prime. I know he has a huge contract, but isnt this a guy worth going for?

People have talked about trading our pick for an established player, well here he is. He fills the gap at SF and is a borderline all star. How much better of a player could we realistically hope to get with our pick? I think he would be a near perfect fit for this team.
 
It would all but guarantee a Thornton deal, but I would love it. Reke-Gay-Cousins is a fantastic trio moving forward. Surround those guys with a few defensive role players and we got the makings of a legit playoff team. Gay is still young, is a guy who can get you 20-6 along with solid defense every night.
 
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I'd give up the 5th pick for him, but not the 5th and Thorton. We really need outside shooting and as good as Gay is, we wouldn't be gaining anything in that realm. If would could make a package without Cousins, Reke, or Thorton I'd be all over it.
 
For what it's worth the Grizz may be shopping him

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/06/...t.wants?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I think our pick might be just right for them, the teams above us might be to hesitant to give up such a high pick for an expensive player, the grizzlies are not looking to add more salary so we have a legit shot at landing him, we have plenty of youth, we dont need another project. it's time to make the webber-esk move of this generation.
 
Čarolija said:
Question needs to be asked considering the circumstances....with that contract can we afford him?
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This is assuming we could unload a contract with #5. We wouldn't take on all his salary obviously.

#5+Salmons/Garcia/Hayes for Gay would be a nice deal for us
 
jsmk23 said:
Do you think they'll take #5+Salmons/Garcia/Hayes for #25+R. Gay?
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I don't think they would take it straight up for Gay let alone include pick 25.

Why would they take on over $20 million in contracts for next season alone when they are trying to cut salary hence why they are open to trading Gay?

And that is not even considering that our owners would never commit to that much money (Gay).
 
Čarolija said:
I don't think they would take it straight up for Gay let alone include pick 25.

Why would they take on over $20 million in contracts for next season alone when they are trying to cut salary hence why they are open to trading Gay?

And that is not even considering that our owners would never commit to that much money (Gay).
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Yeah, I agree! If they're trying to unload salary, the last thing they want to do is take back dollar for dollar in a trade. I could see them taking on Cisco since he's an expiring next season. The only way they take serious money back, is if you throw in someone useful to them, like Thornton or Tyreke. Personally, I really like Gay, and I'd be willing to part with Thornton. However, you can kiss JT goodbye because we wouldn't have any money left, and I'm not sure the Maloofs would use the excemption to go over the cap. So in that case, I'd withhold our 5th round pick to make up for JT's loss.
 
bajaden said:
Yeah, I agree! If they're trying to unload salary, the last thing they want to do is take back dollar for dollar in a trade. I could see them taking on Cisco since he's an expiring next season. The only way they take serious money back, is if you throw in someone useful to them, like Thornton or Tyreke. Personally, I really like Gay, and I'd be willing to part with Thornton. However, you can kiss JT goodbye because we wouldn't have any money left, and I'm not sure the Maloofs would use the excemption to go over the cap. So in that case, I'd withhold our 5th round pick to make up for JT's loss.
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we could use the amnesty, but i agree the grizzles are trying to free up cap space they would not do a dollar for dollar trade. but with the maloofs our salary cap is basically the minimum and we cant squeeze gay/JT under the minimum.
 
The_Jamal said:
It would all but guarantee a Thornton deal, but I would love it. Reke-Gay-Cousins is a fantastic trio moving forward. Surround those guys with a few defensive role players and we got the makings of a legit playoff team. Gay is still young, is a guy who can get you 20-6 along with solid defense every night.
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This.
 
I mentioned if we shop #5 Gay is a very obvious target. And yeah, that means Thronton would have to go in a separate deal. Be a beautiful thing to be able to swap Marcus directly for Gay, but with Mayo already in town don't know why they want to do that. On the other hand if it is using the #5 that could shake him loose, ideally you'd like to throw on one of our junk contracts going the other way just to take the edge off Gay's huge deal. Salmons, Hayes, Cisco, in that order (people always like to lead with Cisco but I think he is valuable as chemsitry and vet leadership). Trying to foist Salmons off on them in hey, take our $7mil SF for your $16mil SF type deal would be perfect.

Should note however, that if we did get Gay, even if we eventually traded Marcus as a result (hopefully for that shotblocker) that we'd still have a major shot crunch in our starting lineup. Thornton took 15.8FGA lasts season....Gay took 16.4, and that's about his norm. They saw Reke is down to 219 -- maybe if he is making a run at taking back his PG position we can get back to being just barely able to contain the shot demands of a COusins/Gay/Reke trio if we stick roleplayers at SG and PF -- I know I know, roleplayers aren't sexy, but that's how you build teams. But otherwise if we start IT/Reke/Gay/?/Cousins its better balanced than we were last year, but there is still the same shotcrunch unless we just flat tell IT he can't shoot at all.

Its too bad TWill can't shoot, because Reke/TWill/Gay/shotblocker/Cousins could be a flat out dominant physical/athletic group of little guys, with IT as the shot of speed as the 6th man.
 
Bricklayer said:
Its too bad TWill can't shoot, because Reke/TWill/Gay/shotblocker/Cousins could be a flat out dominant physical/athletic group of little guys, with IT as the shot of speed as the 6th man.
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Can't help but want to switch this up by starting IT and bringing Reke off the bench a la Harden. Gay and Cousins can dominate the shots with the first team and then you sub Reke in to provide the majority of your offense when the second team is on the floor. Everyone can still get their minutes and all three would be on the floor a bunch (a la OKC) but I can't help but think we might win more games with Tyreke coming off the bench.
 
roasthawg said:
Can't help but want to switch this up by starting IT and bringing Reke off the bench a la Harden.
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yes, yes you really can help that. 5'9" PG love is a terminal condition. And Reke WILL leave if you do that, and should. Being benched and ****ed aorund wiht so just random lesser talents can have their day in the fans sun makes no sense for a player with his aspirations.
 
Bricklayer said:
yes, yes you really can help that. 5'9" PG love is a terminal condition. And Reke WILL leave if you do that, and should. Being benched and ****ed aorund wiht so just random lesser talents can have their day in the fans sun makes no sense for a player with his aspirations.
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It has very little to do with IT and everything to do with Reke coming in and leading the 2nd unit. Both of the teams playing in the Western Conference Finals bring one of their top 3 players off of the bench... not because there's someone better than them starting but because they need a ball dominant scoring machine to come in off the bench when the starters go out. You get more value out of your best players like that... I'm all about emulating OKC/SA in any way we can as those are the two best teams in the NBA and what they do works.
 
roasthawg said:
It has very little to do with IT and everything to do with Reke coming in and leading the 2nd unit. Both of the teams playing in the Western Conference Finals bring one of their top 3 players off of the bench... not because there's someone better than them starting but because they need a ball dominant scoring machine to come in off the bench when the starters go out. You get more value out of your best players like that... I'm all about emulating OKC/SA in any way we can as those are the two best teams in the NBA and what they do works.
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We had this same exact conversation right when the season ended. If you get Brick to have it again so soon I will be impressed ;)
 
roasthawg said:
It has very little to do with IT and everything to do with Reke coming in and leading the 2nd unit. Both of the teams playing in the Western Conference Finals bring one of their top 3 players off of the bench... not because there's someone better than them starting but because they need a ball dominant scoring machine to come in off the bench when the starters go out. You get more value out of your best players like that... I'm all about emulating OKC/SA in any way we can as those are the two best teams in the NBA and what they do works.
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Until IT is as good/better than Parker or as good/better than Westbrook then it makes no sense for us to emulate Spurs/OKC.

Those two teams can make it work because it means there is always an all-star guard on the floor.

But IT is no Parker/Westbrook, so to bench Tyreke in favor of IT to lead the 2nd unit and spend less time with Cousins on the floor makes zero sense.

I will say that personally I'm in favor of a Tyreke/TWill back-court due to the defense and physicality, with IT coming off the bench.
 
Uncia03 said:
Until IT is as good/better than Parker or as good/better than Westbrook then it makes no sense for us to emulate Spurs/OKC.

Those two teams can make it work because it means there is always an all-star guard on the floor.

But IT is no Parker/Westbrook, so to bench Tyreke in favor of IT to lead the 2nd unit and spend less time with Cousins on the floor makes zero sense.

I will say that personally I'm in favor of a Tyreke/TWill back-court due to the defense and physicality, with IT coming off the bench.
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To me it makes sense based on Tryeke being a better individual scorer than IT. With a first team consisting of Cousins and Gay Tyreke would be asked to facilitate more/score less. IT seems better suited to that role while Tyreke seems better suited to the role of Harden/Ginobli coming off the bench and being the offense. There's more shots available with the second team and a bigger need of a stud at the pg position than there is with a lineup featuring Cousins and Gay. Harden averaged 31 minutes to Tyreke's 34 so it's not like I'm talking about cutting a bunch of Reke's playing time. It's a matter of WHO he plays with rather than how much he plays.

For the record I'm a huge Tyreke Evan's fan... have been since before we drafted him. He's probably my favorite player on the team... I simply think we'd be best served having him as our Harden considering how the rest of our roster would look if we acquired Gay.
 
Kings Faithful said:
I'd give up the 5th pick for him, but not the 5th and Thorton. We really need outside shooting and as good as Gay is, we wouldn't be gaining anything in that realm. If would could make a package without Cousins, Reke, or Thorton I'd be all over it.
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I agree with this^^^ We need a SF, whether its Gay or actually using our pick and drafting Barnes. We need to finally move Reke to SG, and make Thornton our 6th man, he'd be our Terry or Harden. A lineup with DMC/Reke/Gay or Barnes w/Thornton off the bench seems intriguing.

Edit: Oh...and btw, too bad we have the Maloofs as owners..
I would be absolutely giddy if we could add Steve Nash to that mix...DMC/Gay or Barnes/Reke/Nash plus Thornton off the bench, add a vet scorer and vet defender...WOW!
 
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I'm really surprised with all the "there's only one ball" talk that so many want Gay. I've been pretty high on the guy in the past, but I looked at him carefully in the playoffs, and he really likes to play with the ball in his hands, and has a very difficult time preventing himself from doing "dribble, dribble, dribble." It's like he can't help himself. Of course he plays better when doesn't dribble, dribble, dribble, but it seems he almost has to torn away from it in order play with the rest of the team. It sure give me cause for concern on how he would fit with this team.
 
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Would anyone consider a reke for Gay swap, and keeping our pick? There would have to be some salary matching, but it would definitely help out the overall balance of the team if the headache that is reke was traded (i only say headache b/c he's kind of a player w/out a position)
 
bluntsnbball said:
Would anyone consider a reke for Gay swap, and keeping our pick? There would have to be some salary matching, but it would definitely help out the overall balance of the team if the headache that is reke was traded (i only say headache b/c he's kind of a player w/out a position)
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No way... Reke and Cousins are keepers. Gotta build around them imo. Adding Gay to that mix would be huge though.
 
bluntsnbball said:
Would anyone consider a reke for Gay swap, and keeping our pick? There would have to be some salary matching, but it would definitely help out the overall balance of the team if the headache that is reke was traded (i only say headache b/c he's kind of a player w/out a position)
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If they take Salmons and toss in their pick (or trade down for our 2nd), I would do it. Even straight up Reke/Salmons for Gay I would have to think about.

Gay is a borderline all-star with a little bit more potential to be a legit all-star, top 20ish player. Evans is a notch or two below that, but has the potential to be a top 10ish player. Fair trade. The money is an issue, which is why you toss in Salmons, who at least is a decreasing contract for them.

With Cuz, the team already has that all NBA guy, so then you can focus your resources on adding defense, and you don't have to worry so much about starting a great shooter, as you will have 3 decent ones (IT/Thornton/Gay).

IT/Jimmer
Thornton/(Williams)/Garcia
Gay/Outlaw/Honeycutt
JT/(#5 pick)
Cuz/Hayes/Whiteside

You can now make a move for a vet PG or draft BPA regardless of position.
 
If we had felt really strongly about Beal, i'd consider Reke/Salmons for Gay. Beal-Gay-Cousins would be a pretty exciting trio moving forward that would work beautifully offensively. Beal is one of my favorite prospects in the draft, but we would have to have a deal for Thornton and/or Reke in place already
 
roasthawg said:
To me it makes sense based on Tryeke being a better individual scorer than IT. With a first team consisting of Cousins and Gay Tyreke would be asked to facilitate more/score less. IT seems better suited to that role while Tyreke seems better suited to the role of Harden/Ginobli coming off the bench and being the offense. There's more shots available with the second team and a bigger need of a stud at the pg position than there is with a lineup featuring Cousins and Gay. Harden averaged 31 minutes to Tyreke's 34 so it's not like I'm talking about cutting a bunch of Reke's playing time. It's a matter of WHO he plays with rather than how much he plays.

For the record I'm a huge Tyreke Evan's fan... have been since before we drafted him. He's probably my favorite player on the team... I simply think we'd be best served having him as our Harden considering how the rest of our roster would look if we acquired Gay.
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Agreed. Sefolosha and Green are the players starting as lesser players, not Westbrook or Parker. IT is just as good if not better than some contending starters. And truth is, Reke is not better than Harden or Ginobili. So it should work, and almost makes too much sense. Especially with a high pick invested in a guy like Jimmer, who cannot be your primary ballhandler off the bench.
 
DesertFox said:
Agreed. Sefolosha and Green are the players starting as lesser players, not Westbrook or Parker. IT is just as good if not better than some contending starters. And truth is, Reke is not better than Harden or Ginobili. So it should work, and almost makes too much sense. Especially with a high pick invested in a guy like Jimmer, who cannot be your primary ballhandler off the bench.
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You have ti backwords. IT is a support player, not a foundational piece which others play off. Reke is much closer to Parker/Westbrook than IT. Those two teams allow the support players to play off Parker/Duncan and Durant/Westbrook, they don't bench Westbrook and play off Sefalosha. You don't bench foundational pieces and turn support players into go-to players.

You're also ignoring the entire defensive setup of these teams. They have one go to guy in the backcourt, and a defensive specialist. Reke is our backcourt go-to guy, not IT or MT. So if you wanted to emulate what SA or OKC does, you'd start Reke NEXT TO a defensive specialist, have a defenders also at the 3 and 4 to round out the lineup with Cuz, and bring firepower off the bench. Not bench a go-to guy and go instead with a non-defensive backcourt.

I don't think many here actually understand the theory behind what OKC and SA do and don't understand they pick two go-to guys, and round out the starting 5 with defensive role players.
 
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