Rudy gay, Ty Lawson trade scenario

We aren't nearly in the position Toronto nor Memphis was in... In Memphis, Rudy was the 3rd best behind ZBo..in Sacramrnto, who's better than Rudy?? (Aside from Cuz). No one.

In Toronto they've had a leading PG who was ready to break out and take over. We can't even force Collison to take over as the 2nd option.. I see Cousins=DeRozan in terms of franchise players.

We should NOT trade Rudy especially if it was for Chandler. The only way I'd trade Rudy is if it's for either or these SFs: Parsons, Green, Hayward, and maybe Middleton. OR if it gave us a star PG.

Other wise, not going to trade Cousins' best friend on the team...
 
It's tough to prove that the Grizzlies became better because they got rid of Gay, because it's not like he ever played a season in Memphis where he, Gasol and Randolph were all healthy.
 
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I think it's a good trade. You get an upgrade at pg. The SF position is probably a wash; I can see Chandler playing well with Cousins because of his movement off the ball. Can Gay play off the ball? Yes. Does he want to play off the ball? Probably not a lot, not consistently. He loves to dribble the ball, even though he's no very good at it. The key is that you can get three good players from two. Given the putrid Kings bench, that would seem important. I don't give a smidgeon of weight to who is Cousins' friend on the team. If the trade is in fact a good one, it won't take long before Cousins can realize it and the sadness will dissipate quickly.
 
This trade is woeful. Lets not forget that when Durrant was out, Rudy was the best SF in the West.

Malone has come out and said that Denver will be playing at an up tempo pace and it would make sense for them to keep Lawson.
 
Why don't we see what Karl can do with his entire roster healthy and a full camp....including the draft pick and other changes.
 
I'd do this in a heatbeat. Gay has impressed me the past season and a half by becoming a really, really great scorer at an efficient clip, but he's not the right 2nd option for this team. He doesn't make people around him better, which is a big reason why we struggled so much with Cuz out. He'd be most effective in the Monta Ellis role on Dallas being a main scoring cog for a veteran team that knows how to play.

Lawson makes us better. He's a proven passer and playmaker. Add on to the fact that we could like walk away from the draft with WCS and Winslow or Johnson.... that's really appealing.
 
I am completely against leveraging this team by giving up 2 of the 3 best players on the team for an overpriced Ty Lawson (~$13 mil per year for 2 years) and a backup SF and a draft pick.

Go look at the gamelogs - Rudy is a baller.
He can make plays that only the superstars (KG, Lebron, etc) can make. He's the only King who has an unguardable move. You need players like that in the playoffs.
Trading greater talent for lesser, more parts is not what we should be thinking of doing.
 
Those 2 draft picks do us no good if they dont heavily contribute to us making the playoffs this upcoming season. I do know of 2 players who can heavily contribute to such a goal; Rudy Gay and Darren Collison.
 
Gilles said:
Trading Rudy this off-season is a surefire way to make Boogie quit. Cuz wouldn't care about fits for Karl, steady capable players or players, Kings are tempted by.
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If that's true than that's not really the type of person you want to build around in the first place, if it makes us a better team (not saying it would)than Cousins shouldn't really care who gets traded. You have to try something before you crap on it if what your suggesting about Cousins is true (which I don't know how you know that).
 
Cuz is all about loyalty. Kings took away coach he liked. Offer 1000-win one instead? Ok, Boogie will try that.
Cousins and Gay shared NT experience. In fact that experience was the first step in putting Kings back on the map. Boogie likes it in Sacramento, it is (or was until very recently, who knows right now?) his first choice to succeed with Kings, so anything that improved the chances of that was appreciated by him. Rudy took a slight paycut in part to help Kings giving them more flexibility. Gay is Boogie's guy. Trade him to try new things? That would go well with Demarcus.
If the trade clearly makes Kings a better team, sure. This one isn't even close.
 
Gilles said:
Cuz is all about loyalty. Kings took away coach he liked. Offer 1000-win one instead? Ok, Boogie will try that.
Cousins and Gay shared NT experience. In fact that experience was the first step in putting Kings back on the map. Boogie likes it in Sacramento, it is (or was until very recently, who knows right now?) his first choice to succeed with Kings, so anything that improved the chances of that was appreciated by him. Rudy took a slight paycut in part to help Kings giving them more flexibility. Gay is Boogie's guy. Trade him to try new things? That would go well with Demarcus.
If the trade clearly makes Kings a better team, sure. This one isn't even close.
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First you can read DMC thoughts and now you can predict the future your a beast.
 
On paper, I'd say this is a very good deal for the Kings, if not unrealistically one-sided.

But, as VF was just posting in the main forum about Webber reminiscing over the Christie trade, trades aren't made on paper. Boogie is already upset, and may already have one foot out the door. We'll have to do some tinkering this summer, of course, but trading his right hand man might be the last straw.
 
Carmicheal Dave tweeted out a proposal

Collison and a contract(Landry??) and pick at 6
To Denver for
Lawson and pick at 7

Interesting as I think that WCS is gone and Sac could use whomever is left at 7.
Towns, Okafor, Russell are gone in top 3
WCS, Porzingas, Winslow and Mudiay make 7 and add Hezonga for a top 8
Johnson, Payne, could make a top 10 or Kaminsky, Dekker, Lyles

I'd be comfortable trading down a spot or 2 or more if a deal proposal is beneficial to us
 
Do I think Lawson is worth more than collison Landry? Not sure. Landry is dead weight but I think collison is a much better fit at a much better price than Lawson.
 
dude12 said:
Carmicheal Dave tweeted out a proposal

Collison and a contract(Landry??) and pick at 6
To Denver for
Lawson and pick at 7

Interesting as I think that WCS is gone and Sac could use whomever is left at 7.
Towns, Okafor, Russell are gone in top 3
WCS, Porzingas, Winslow and Mudiay make 7 and add Hezonga for a top 8
Johnson, Payne, could make a top 10 or Kaminsky, Dekker, Lyles

I'd be comfortable trading down a spot or 2 or more if a deal proposal is beneficial to us
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I'd have a lot less issue with that deal, especially if WCS is gone and Mudiay is the consensus guy that falls. Lawson is a better PG than Collison and a better fit for Karl's offense but a worse defender and even less of an outside threat.

But if the Kings are shedding Landry's deal then I can't really complain. And moving from 6 to 7 is no big deal if WCS and like Porzingis are gone. Denver likely takes Mudiay and the Kings still have their pick of Hezonja, Winslow, Johnson etc.
 
dude12 said:
Carmicheal Dave tweeted out a proposal

Collison and a contract(Landry??) and pick at 6
To Denver for
Lawson and pick at 7

Interesting as I think that WCS is gone and Sac could use whomever is left at 7.
Towns, Okafor, Russell are gone in top 3
WCS, Porzingas, Winslow and Mudiay make 7 and add Hezonga for a top 8
Johnson, Payne, could make a top 10 or Kaminsky, Dekker, Lyles

I'd be comfortable trading down a spot or 2 or more if a deal proposal is beneficial to us
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I wouldn't be surprised if that was a deal we're trying to do. I just hope Cuz wouldn't be upset about Collison if this deal went down.
 
Call me crazy, but I'd consider trading Nik and Ray instead of Collison in that scnario. Assuming WCS is off the board, draft Mario or Winslow to replace Nik. Spend the FA (I think you'd have 9-10 million) on a big, bring back Casspi, Miller, and Evans on min deals, and you'd end up with something like:

Cousins/FA Big
Thompson/Evans/Moreland
Gay/Casspi
McLemore/Rookie wing
Lawson/Collison/Miller

With Collison also getting major minutes at the 2 as the rookie wing develops, or in small lineups. And with the FA big (or Thompson, if the FA is better) getting major minutes at both PF and C. Casspi rounding out the 8-man rotation unless the rookie is ready.

Heck, you could really even do the same if WCS is there at 7, and spend the FA $ on a wing instead.
 
With Sac working out Dekker and Payne and the like, maybe there is a 3 team deal where we end up with Lawson, another useful vet and a 1st rounder around 9-13ish.

If your Sac, you can't just deal the pick at 6 for Lawson....doesn't work salary wise but doesn't make sense when Denver is trying to deal Lawson and his contract...Denver has to give something more.
 
Someone from one of the offices are sure leaking out stuff and since PDA is in Denver, wouldn't surprise me if its them being that's how PDA operates. Could be Sac working the social media to drive up the price of someone wanting the pick at 6. Sac HAS let it be known that they are willing to trade the pick.
 
Lawson is a good player but I feel like alot of people overrate him just a tad bit. Collison is a much better fit for our team and was putting up 16 points 5 ast 3 reb per game. He also knows when to give DMC and Rudy the ball and makes smart timely shots when he needs too.

Ty Lawson averaged 15 ppg and 9 ast 3 reb all while making ALOT more money

I dont understand why people want to get rid of the few guys that actually helped us win. Our starting lineup was one of the best in the league, it was the terrible bench and lack of defense after Malone that killed us. If DC and DMC didnt get injured this past season and we didnt fire Malone or hired GK immediately after.....well, things could be looking a little better.

oh god and you want to get rid of Rudy?!?!? totally forgot about that part lol
 
c-webb1s#1 said:
Lawson is a good player but I feel like alot of people overrate him just a tad bit. Collison is a much better fit for our team and was putting up 16 points 5 ast 3 reb per game. He also knows when to give DMC and Rudy the ball and makes smart timely shots when he needs too.

Ty Lawson averaged 15 ppg and 9 ast 3 reb all while making ALOT more money

I dont understand why people want to get rid of the few guys that actually helped us win. Our starting lineup was one of the best in the league, it was the terrible bench and lack of defense after Malone that killed us. If DC and DMC didnt get injured this past season and we didnt fire Malone or hired GK immediately after.....well, things could be looking a little better.

oh god and you want to get rid of Rudy?!?!? totally forgot about that part lol
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Lawson helped Denver win close to 60 games a couple seasons ago, the same way you feel about Lawson as in that he's overrated (which is fair enough) some of us feel about Rudy. I can see the argument both ways.
 
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