Rudy Gay the anti narcissist

[Entity]

I'd like to take the time to show some admiration for Rudy Gay. When we traded for him I excited because we had another star. I was afraid because he has been borderline all star hour 8 years. A top 5 SF in the NBA. I was afraid he would come in and try to assert himself as such. Try showing he is THE man and cousins is now his sidekick.

Well he didn't. Instead he has came in and been very efficient. So efficient that his fg% with us is higher than ever. He seems to have fully accepted his place behind Demarcus. For that Rudy Gay I say thank you.

 

[Chupacabra]

I'm sure Rudy would like to thank Demarcus for making his life easier. Defenses can't focus on guarding Rudy when they constantly have to keep track of Cousins.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm sure things were explained to him very clearly when he arrived.

Besides, outside of the disastrous stint in Toronto its not as if Gay has been accustomed to being team's unquestioned #1 or anything.

 

[Glenn]

Rudy fits fine which surprises me pleasantly. He and Cuz make a nice one-two punch. In the interviews I have seen of Rudy, he seems like a real nice guy. If I were he, I'd be happy to be on a team with Cuz.

 

[Entity]

I'm sure things were explained to him very clearly when he arrived.

Besides, outside of the disastrous stint in Toronto its not as if Gay has been accustomed to being team's unquestioned #1 or anything.

Maybe true but, a player like that coming to a 7 year playoff no show? It could have crossed his mind

 

[steelevt]

I know it's a small sample size. But if Rudy keeps this pace or at least fits well and can be our number 2. Would u consider resigning him to a longer contract? Many have "restructured" a short high contract into a longer lower one. So instead of 1 year 19 mil, maybe a 3 or 4 year worth 8 mil a year 4th year team option?

 

[VF21]

I know it's a small sample size. But if Rudy keeps this pace or at least fits well and can be our number 2. Would u consider resigning him to a longer contract? Many have "restructured" a short high contract into a longer lower one. So instead of 1 year 19 mil, maybe a 3 or 4 year worth 8 mil a year 4th year team option?

If Rudy fits well and can be our number 2, doing what it takes to keep him around would be a very smart thing to do. And he'd be worth a lot more than $8 million a year.

 

[steelevt]

If Rudy fits well and can be our number 2, doing what it takes to keep him around would be a very smart thing to do. And he'd be worth a lot more than $8 million a year.

Yeah but can we afford more than that? If we resign IT it will be at a hire price. We would have to unload some contracts to afford all three. I know with the CBA it's gonna be hard if we overpay. Unless...we take bynum off the cavs hands for mt and outlaw. He is a headache but has a 6 mil buyout next year if he doesn't work out and we cut outlaw and mt's contract early to give IT his raise and have some to spare to resign Rudy.

 

[Bricklayer]

I know it's a small sample size. But if Rudy keeps this pace or at least fits well and can be our number 2. Would u consider resigning him to a longer contract? Many have "restructured" a short high contract into a longer lower one. So instead of 1 year 19 mil, maybe a 3 or 4 year worth 8 mil a year 4th year team option?

Rudy's not going to suddenly work for $8mil.

But he might for $11-$12, and Kings fans reluctance to admit it or not, he could easily end up being the #2 weapon of Boogie's early prime years.

 

[The_Jamal]

Yeah but can we afford more than that? If we resign IT it will be at a hire price. We would have to unload some contracts to afford all three. I know with the CBA it's gonna be hard if we overpay. Unless...we take bynum off the cavs hands for mt and outlaw. He is a headache but has a 6 mil buyout next year if he doesn't work out and we cut outlaw and mt's contract early to give IT his raise and have some to spare to resign Rudy.

Affording all 3 won't be an issue. All our bad contracts run out in 2 years. I imagine IT will garner around $5mil on the open market. Max I see him getting is a Carl Landry-esq deal for 6.5-7 mil.

Big thing to remember with Rudy is that he's already made his money. He's not going to play for a min. deal obviously, but if he turns out to really like playing in Sacto and sees us as making a serious playoff run in the coming years, he might settle for something like 4/40 or 4/44.

Also, you might be greatly overestimating the actual market for Rudy. Nobody, and I mean nobody is going to risk giving him anything close to the contract he's currently playing for now. Even if he does rebound to his career numbers next season.

 

[VF21]

Yeah but can we afford more than that? If we resign IT it will be at a hire price. We would have to unload some contracts to afford all three. I know with the CBA it's gonna be hard if we overpay. Unless...we take bynum off the cavs hands for mt and outlaw. He is a headache but has a 6 mil buyout next year if he doesn't work out and we cut outlaw and mt's contract early to give IT his raise and have some to spare to resign Rudy.

There is literally no way in hell anyone with an ounce of sense would let Andrew Bynum within 20 miles of this franchise. Read the Cavs forums. He pretty much quit on the team and the game. I've never understood the fascination some people have for him anyway.

Brick and The Jamal have answered the rest of your points, so I refer you to their posts with the addition that I totally agree with Brick that Rudy sh9uld easily command at least $10-$11 million/year.

 

[TyFreak Evans]

There is literally no way in hell anyone with an ounce of sense would let Andrew Bynum within 20 miles of this franchise. Read the Cavs forums. He pretty much quit on the team and the game. I've never understood the fascination some people have for him anyway.

Brick and The Jamal have answered the rest of your points, so I refer you to their posts with the addition that I totally agree with Brick that Rudy sh9uld easily command at least $10-$11 million/year.

At one point in time, Andrew Bynum was as intriguing of a player as you could possibly find out there. Now, he's just a waste of a roster space, IMHO. Injury-proned, and carries an absolutely pathetic attitude with him wherever he goes. No thanks! I remember actually wanting the Kings to find a way to grab Bynum back when he first came into the league, but now, don't even talk to me about the guy, cuz you will just be wasting your time...

 

[Tetsujin]

Yeah but can we afford more than that? If we resign IT it will be at a hire price. We would have to unload some contracts to afford all three. I know with the CBA it's gonna be hard if we overpay. Unless...we take bynum off the cavs hands for mt and outlaw. He is a headache but has a 6 mil buyout next year if he doesn't work out and we cut outlaw and mt's contract early to give IT his raise and have some to spare to resign Rudy.

This may be the dumbest thing anyone has ever said in the history of everything. Unlike Demarcus, Bynum is an actual cancer, a rot, an immature prima donna whose ego always superseded his talent. The only reason people have held him up as one of the best big men in the league is (a) he played with Kobe and (b) he came into the league right around a time when there weren't really too many good bigs in the league.

 

[Spike]

Yeah but can we afford more than that? If we resign IT it will be at a hire price. We would have to unload some contracts to afford all three. I know with the CBA it's gonna be hard if we overpay. Unless...we take bynum off the cavs hands for mt and outlaw. He is a headache but has a 6 mil buyout next year if he doesn't work out and we cut outlaw and mt's contract early to give IT his raise and have some to spare to resign Rudy.

To pile on, if IT is going to want the kind of raise that will hamper signing Gay (assuming Gay IS our #2), then I will gladly bid IT good day.

 

[King Baller]

I thought Rudy did a pretty good job defending Lebron. His scoring was very efficient. That post game interveiw with Kayte showed a humble side of the man that is refreshing.

Go Kings!!!

 

[ockingsfan]

I'm pretty sure that Rudy Gay will opt out of contract after he redeems himself with the Kings.

That is why players put that opt out in their contract. Short of him getting injured or just reforming to his Toronto play. But if continues with his stellar play with the Kings, I have no doubt he will opt out and become a free agent.

Now, with Vivek and PDA as the Kings owners and GM, I have no doubt that they will eventually resign Rudy, short of a max or max-like contract, which I don't think any team will give him. My prediction is the Kings resign Rudy, after he opts out to a 4 year contract worth about $56 million or about $14 million annually. Thus he gives up $5 million in salary for next season, but he locks up a guaranteed extra $37 million over the next four years.

Also, this would help the Kings resign IT with the money they save in Rudy's annual salary.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm pretty sure that Rudy Gay will opt out of contract after he redeems himself with the Kings.

That is why players put that opt out in their contract. Short of him getting injured or just reforming to his Toronto play. But if continues with his stellar play with the Kings, I have no doubt he will opt out and become a free agent.

Now, with Vivek and PDA as the Kings owners and GM, I have no doubt that they will eventually resign Rudy, short of a max or max-like contract, which I don't think any team will give him. My prediction is the Kings resign Rudy, after he opts out to a 4 year contract worth about $56 million or about $14 million annually. Thus he gives up $5 million in salary for next season, but he locks up a guaranteed extra $37 million over the next four years.

Also, this would help the Kings resign IT with the money they save in Rudy's annual salary.

Rudy's rep is more damaged than all that. There really is very little incentive for him to opt out of that massive payday next season unless he feels like he's going to suddenly have a worse season next year. Otherwise the more distance he puts between himself and the Toronto stink the bigger his next contract will be, and that's on top of earning $20mil next season.

 

[dude12]

I was not for us giving Tyreke the contract he got but I'd rather give him that contract than IT getting anything close to a $8 mill/yr deal....no thanks to that. He's a $4mill/yr guy...getting to $6mill/yr is a stretch and 8 is a no go. He's too one dimensional....does that 1 dimension(offense) really well at times but the defense as a starting PG means your lottery bound constantly. I'd like to see if we can get Gay to renegotiate to a $11-12mill a year deal so we can keep the SF spot taken care of and then address other areas.

 

[Prog]

For Gay to opt out of a 19M contract in favor of free agency he'd have to have Lebron-like performance the rest of the year. He knows better than that.

 

[ockingsfan]

Rudy's rep is more damaged than all that. There really is very little incentive for him to opt out of that massive payday next season unless he feels like he's going to suddenly have a worse season next year. Otherwise the more distance he puts between himself and the Toronto stink the bigger his next contract will be, and that's on top of earning $20mil next season.

Just like Andre Igudola opted out when no one thought he would, I think Rudy will too. Losing an extra $5million to get an additional $37million guaranteed is a no-brainer, I think.

It not so much the risk of playing bad next year, but the risk of a bad injury that has players opting out, to guarantee more money. Imagine if he blew out his knee next year and basically blew off an extra $37million in an extension.

GM's have short memories in the NBA. Look at how Petrie gave MT a 4 yr/$32million contract after 30 good games, totally disregarding his whole body of work. Rudy Gay will get paid and I think he will get paid at least $13-15 million a year over 4 years from at least one GM in the NBA.

 

[bajaden]

Affording all 3 won't be an issue. All our bad contracts run out in 2 years. I imagine IT will garner around $5mil on the open market. Max I see him getting is a Carl Landry-esq deal for 6.5-7 mil.

Big thing to remember with Rudy is that he's already made his money. He's not going to play for a min. deal obviously, but if he turns out to really like playing in Sacto and sees us as making a serious playoff run in the coming years, he might settle for something like 4/40 or 4/44.

Also, you might be greatly overestimating the actual market for Rudy. Nobody, and I mean nobody is going to risk giving him anything close to the contract he's currently playing for now. Even if he does rebound to his career numbers next season.

Its not a matter of affording Gay and IT, as far as Vivek's pocketbook goes. Its a matter of being capped out, and being just good enough to make the playoffs every year, but not good enough to ever reach for a championship. If your going to cap out, you have to make sure you have all the major pieces in place to contend for a championship. Other wise, you become another version of the Atlanta Hawks. I don't think IT is a major piece that will take up to a championship. I think he's a valuable piece depending on what you have to pay for him.

 

[bajaden]

There is literally no way in hell anyone with an ounce of sense would let Andrew Bynum within 20 miles of this franchise. Read the Cavs forums. He pretty much quit on the team and the game. I've never understood the fascination some people have for him anyway.

Brick and The Jamal have answered the rest of your points, so I refer you to their posts with the addition that I totally agree with Brick that Rudy sh9uld easily command at least $10-$11 million/year.

I've never been a Bynum fan. He's been injured more than he's been healthy in his career, and his attitude stinks. He's basicly milked two teams for money without having to lift a finger. I want no part of him. As for Gay, I suspect that 10 or 11 mil is the minimum you would be able to get him for. Unless he totally takes a nose dive for the rest of his time here.

 

[Bricklayer]

Just like Andre Igudola opted out when no one thought he would, I think Rudy will too. Losing an extra $5million to get an additional $37million guaranteed is a no-brainer, I think.

It not so much the risk of playing bad next year, but the risk of a bad injury that has players opting out, to guarantee more money. Imagine if he blew out his knee next year and basically blew off an extra $37million in an extension.

GM's have short memories in the NBA. Look at how Petrie gave MT a 4 yr/$32million contract after 30 good games, totally disregarding his whole body of work. Rudy Gay will get paid and I think he will get paid at least $13-15 million a year over 4 years from at least one GM in the NBA.

Iggy was in a different spot -- his stock had never been higher. Athletic guy, getting older, suddenly being touted as the bees knees. Opting out made sense for him to maximize his value.

Rudy just isn't in the same spot. His reputation had completely cratered to career lows a month ago. The more distance he can put between himself and that event, the bigger his next contract gets. There are people on this board saying he should come off the bench. There were NBA GMs saying they wouldn't take him at half his salary. He needs to clear that away in order to maximize his next contract.

 

[bajaden]

Just like Andre Igudola opted out when no one thought he would, I think Rudy will too. Losing an extra $5million to get an additional $37million guaranteed is a no-brainer, I think.

It not so much the risk of playing bad next year, but the risk of a bad injury that has players opting out, to guarantee more money. Imagine if he blew out his knee next year and basically blew off an extra $37million in an extension.

GM's have short memories in the NBA. Look at how Petrie gave MT a 4 yr/$32million contract after 30 good games, totally disregarding his whole body of work. Rudy Gay will get paid and I think he will get paid at least $13-15 million a year over 4 years from at least one GM in the NBA.

I don't know if Gay will opt out or not, but it wouldn't surprise me. I'm just basing it on what he said himself. He said money isn't what matters, winning does. He stated that he had plenty of money, and that it wouldn't be the deciding factor in whether he opts out or not. I'm thinking that the Grizz would love to have him back about now. Look, its probably all going to come down to what his agent tells him. I'm sure his agent is getting feedback from other teams around the league as to their interest in Gay. I'm sure a team like the Lakers would love to have Gay. Their problem has been capspace for the last few years, but not after this season with only Kobe, Nash and one other player under contract. I could easily see the Lakers making an offer to Gay. I guess we'll see.

 

[VF21]

Watching the building chemistry between Rudy and DFC, I can see him choosing to stay here for that alone. Sacramento has a way of winning the hearts of players.

 

[Glenn]

Iggy was in a different spot -- his stock had never been higher. Athletic guy, getting older, suddenly being touted as the bees knees. Opting out made sense for him to maximize his value.

Rudy just isn't in the same spot. His reputation had completely cratered to career lows a month ago. The more distance he can put between himself and that event, the bigger his next contract gets. There are people on this board saying he should come off the bench. There were NBA GMs saying they wouldn't take him at half his salary. He needs to clear that away in order to maximize his next contract.

The Kings have resurrected other careers, Webber comes to mind as the main benefactor, so let's see how this plays out. As a man, I like Rudy.

 

[dude12]

Watching the building chemistry between Rudy and DFC, I can see him choosing to stay here for that alone. Sacramento has a way of winning the hearts of players.

So does having a talent like Cousins who can help ease the burden. A legit question for other potential FAs in the future...does a Cousins and Gay twosome help bring in a potential FA or does the other players in the league see them as undesirable to play with? I don't have an answer for other players perceptions of Cuz and Gay.

 

[Dreadnought]

There is absolutely no way Rudy opts out of a 19M dollar year. He's currently the 13th highest paid player in the NBA and he's going to be the 11th highest paid next year. You don't opt out of a contract where you are being overpaid. By the end of the 14-15 season he will be 28 or 29, which is when he'll sign that 4+ year contract.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

There is absolutely no way Rudy opts out of a 19M dollar year. He's currently the 13th highest paid player in the NBA and he's going to be the 11th highest paid next year. You don't opt out of a contract where you are being overpaid.

You do if you want that guaranteed money. There's a non-zero chance that, if he has a ****ty year next season, it could cost him $30-40M in guaranteed money, maybe more. He could decline his option of one year for $19.2M, in order to sign a 6-yr deal for a guaranteed $12-13M per, as opposed to accepting the option, and risking a bad season that might put him in the position of being forced to settle for a 4-yr deal for $9-10M per.

I'm not saying that he'll for sure do that, but he'd be foolish not to at least consider it, and his agent would not be doing his due diligence if he didn't make him aware of his options.

 

[steelevt]

This may be the dumbest thing anyone has ever said in the history of everything. Unlike Demarcus, Bynum is an actual cancer, a rot, an immature prima donna whose ego always superseded his talent. The only reason people have held him up as one of the best big men in the league is (a) he played with Kobe and (b) he came into the league right around a time when there weren't really too many good bigs in the league.

wow the dumbest thing anyone has ever said in the history of everything??? if you read more than just the part you bolded, the trade was not to bring in bynum for the future of the team. i was basically a salary dump for other pieces of our future. get rid of mt and outlaws 2 year contract for a year of bynum sitting out and then buy him out. maybe even getting our pick back for taking on the cavs headache.