Roster Construction

The_Jamal said:
Very interesting. I think Im in. I actually think Plum is a pretty great back-up for Sabonis. He can slightly do some of the same type of passing things. You know I'm already all-in on PJ and Davion for Cam seems pretty fair from a talent perspective and roster balancing perspective. Adding Cam and PJ shooting/defense is absolutely perfect around Fox/Sabonis and both still have age upside built in. If you can get DDV to rebound to his old form, that's a really exciting complimentary role palyer core that's super impactful on both ends.

Giving up Davion would be a bummer, but the Cam Johnson archetype of being a good 2-way 3/4 flex wing is too rare to pass up. Especially when we're looking to be good game 1 next season. He also gives you some protection if Barnes decides to bolt after next season in UFA.

You'd need a back-up ball-handler (Tyus Jones?) and would still have the FRP for more young talent infusion, but that team would be pretty darn good on offense especially. Certainly wouldn't have a problem scoring points.
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If DiVincenzo can get back to 35-37%, DiVincenzo, Holiday, Davis, Barnes, Johnson, Washington, & Lyles is about as good of spacing as you can ask for between Fox & Sabonis. Then you still have our 2022 1st to maybe add a guy like Griffin, Mathurin, Davis, etc.

I like Mitchell a lot, but if we're wanting to move ahead with Fox & Sabonis, ideally I'd like to move him for a 2-4 as I'm not convinced a Mitchell/Fox backcourt is an ideal pairing long term.
 
twslam07 said:
We are on track to have a lot of cap space for the 2023 offseason (even if we keep Barnes & DiVincenso long term), and there are quite a few players that could be solid fits at PF that we could go after with that cap space:

  1. Jerami Grant
  2. Christian Wood
  3. Maxi Kleber
  4. DeAndre Hunter
  5. Nassir Little
  6. PJ Washington
  7. Grant Williams
  8. Paul Reed
  9. Kyle Kuzma

Perhaps the plan is to stay patient, draft where we end up, move Holmes for another pick or asset, and see if we can pry away a solid PF with our cap space to round out the rotation. For example, we could have a rotation of:

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - DiVincenzo
SF - Barnes
PF - Grant
C - Sabonis
Picks - 2022 SAC 1st, 2023 SAC 1st, & Pick/Asset from trading Holmes

Signing Grant with cap space is a lot more attractive than trading a lottery pick for him. ;)
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Is it weird that Kuzma is my favorite player on that list (minus Hunter who for sure it staying)?
 
twslam07 said:
If DiVincenzo can get back to 35-37%, DiVincenzo, Holiday, Davis, Barnes, Johnson, Washington, & Lyles is about as good of spacing as you can ask for between Fox & Sabonis. Then you still have our 2022 1st to maybe add a guy like Griffin, Mathurin, Davis, etc.

I like Mitchell a lot, but if we're wanting to move ahead with Fox & Sabonis, ideally I'd like to move him for a 2-4 as I'm not convinced a Mitchell/Fox backcourt is an ideal pairing long term.
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I think Mitchell is more valuable to us as a third guard,
getting 25 min per game, than what we could get for him in a trade. I can definitely see him and Dante winning a few games off of their defensive intensity alone.
 
TaxMan said:
I think Mitchell is more valuable to us as a third guard,
getting 25 min per game, than what we could get for him in a trade. I can definitely see him and Dante winning a few games off of their defensive intensity alone.
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As long as he is comfortable in that role I like him there. If he grows into a starter on half the league then obviously you might have to shop him. If he fancies himself as a Bobby Jackson then a+
 
The Kings should really look to the Chicago Bulls in how to construct a winning roster in the NBA.

Right now, they have 2 very similar core players in Fox and DeRozan, both alpha scorers/slashers with poor 3 point shooting. Sabonis and Vucevic are similar big men too, both capable scorers and dominant rebounders, with Domas being a better passer. Chicago has that 3rd scorer in LaVine, which the Kings still need to find that legit 3rd option in the draft lottery or through trade this summer.

The Bulls filled in around these 3 core players with defensive players and 3 point shooting, which the Kings need to get more of this summer.

The Kings need to find a good coach this summer. Clearly, Gentry is not it and the Kings need to move quickly once the season ends to find a new coach. If we can get that 3rd option and a good coach this summer, the Kings can turn it around next season.
 
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If we move up in the lottery, you’d have to take Smith or Holmgren. It’s not easy to find a good complement to Sabonis at PF but I really like the fit of both of them next to Sabonis long term. Just can’t really pass that up.

If we move up but both Smith and Holmgren are gone when we pick, I’d call up BOS to see if they are interested in #3/#4 for Jaylen Brown. Banchero and Ivey both seem like solid fits with Tatum and they’d be on rookie scale contracts to allow them to use cap elsewhere.

Meanwhile we get a Fox-DiVincenzo/Mitchell/Holiday-Brown-Barnes-Sabonis starting unit to make a run at the playoffs.
 
twslam07 said:
If we move up in the lottery, you’d have to take Smith or Holmgren. It’s not easy to find a good complement to Sabonis at PF but I really like the fit of both of them next to Sabonis long term. Just can’t really pass that up.

If we move up but both Smith and Holmgren are gone when we pick, I’d call up BOS to see if they are interested in #3/#4 for Jaylen Brown. Banchero and Ivey both seem like solid fits with Tatum and they’d be on rookie scale contracts to allow them to use cap elsewhere.

Meanwhile we get a Fox-DiVincenzo/Mitchell/Holiday-Brown-Barnes-Sabonis starting unit to make a run at the playoffs.
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Boston isn’t entertaining that offer
 
ockingsfan said:
The Kings should really look to the Chicago Bulls in how to construct a winning roster in the NBA.

Right now, they have 2 very similar core players in Fox and DeRozan, both alpha scorers/slashers with poor 3 point shooting. Sabonis and Vucevic are similar big men too, both capable scorers and dominant rebounders, with Domas being a better passer. Chicago has that 3rd scorer in LaVine, which the Kings still need to find that legit 3rd option in the draft lottery or through trade this summer.
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The Kings already have that guy. His name is Harrison Barnes and he's woefully, shamefully underutilized offensively right now.

HB ranks (all linked):
You see the problem. We have an elite 3-pt. shooter who's also near-elite at getting to the line - a very rare/valuable combination - and he's way too often sidelined by his own danged team. 11 FGA/game is absolutely ridiculous for a guy doing what HB is doing w/the opportunities he has - and not "ridiculous" in a good way.

Job #1 for the new coach Monte hopefully hires next year will be to get these guys playing much better defense consistently. Job #2 might well be to get more touches for HB.
 
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I wonder if we will try to sign Ingles? He is aging but the dude brings some intangibles that could help this squad. If we draft Murray or Griffen you could start Ingles at the beginning of the year and then move Joe to the bench later as the rook gets experience.

Fox Mitchell
Davis DDV
Ingles Lamb
Barnes Murray
Domas Dame
 
iowamcnabb said:
I wonder if we will try to sign Ingles? He is aging but the dude brings some intangibles that could help this squad. If we draft Murray or Griffen you could start Ingles at the beginning of the year and then move Joe to the bench later as the rook gets experience.

Fox Mitchell
Davis DDV
Ingles Lamb
Barnes Murray
Domas Dame
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its a good idea but I’m guessing he wants to join a contender to chase that ring
 
Woot! said:
The Kings already have that guy. His name is Harrison Barnes and he's woefully, shamefully underutilized offensively right now.

HB ranks (all linked):
You see the problem. We have an elite 3-pt. shooter who's also near-elite at getting to the line - a very rare/valuable combination - and he's way too often sidelined by his own danged team. 11 FGA/game is absolutely ridiculous for a guy doing what HB is doing w/the opportunities he has - and not "ridiculous" in a good way.

Job #1 for the new coach Monte hopefully hires next year will be to get these guys playing much better defense consistently. Job #2 might well be to get more touches for HB.
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I think part of what has made Barnes so great the last 2 years is he isn't taking on the same Mavericks big USG role that he wasn't all that good in. He's slotted so perfectly where he's able to fit in with other high USG players and be effective in more limited shot attempts.

That said, 91st in FGA is insane. That has to come up.
 
twslam07 said:
If we move up in the lottery, you’d have to take Smith or Holmgren. It’s not easy to find a good complement to Sabonis at PF but I really like the fit of both of them next to Sabonis long term. Just can’t really pass that up.

If we move up but both Smith and Holmgren are gone when we pick, I’d call up BOS to see if they are interested in #3/#4 for Jaylen Brown. Banchero and Ivey both seem like solid fits with Tatum and they’d be on rookie scale contracts to allow them to use cap elsewhere.

Meanwhile we get a Fox-DiVincenzo/Mitchell/Holiday-Brown-Barnes-Sabonis starting unit to make a run at the playoffs.
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I'd still like to see Jaylen Brown on the Kings too but I don't think Boston is trading him. He's only got 2 years left on his contract though. There's a chance he signs an extension before that but Boston doesn't look like they're going to be competitive with the top teams in the East any time soon so maybe he decides to test the market in 2024. I could see the Kings convincing someone like Jaylen Brown to join them in 2024 if they manage to draft a high level starter this year. If we look like a young team on the rise by then and Monte manages the cap space well, I think he'll be able to attract a significant free agent in two years.
 
iowamcnabb said:
I wonder if we will try to sign Ingles? He is aging but the dude brings some intangibles that could help this squad. If we draft Murray or Griffen you could start Ingles at the beginning of the year and then move Joe to the bench later as the rook gets experience.

Fox Mitchell
Davis DDV
Ingles Lamb
Barnes Murray
Domas Dame
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I like Ingles even if he's slowed down (if that's even possible) but wouldn't he be out for more than half the season with the current injury?
 
hrdboild said:
I'd still like to see Jaylen Brown on the Kings too but I don't think Boston is trading him. He's only got 2 years left on his contract though. There's a chance he signs an extension before that but Boston doesn't look like they're going to be competitive with the top teams in the East any time soon so maybe he decides to test the market in 2024. I could see the Kings convincing someone like Jaylen Brown to join them in 2024 if they manage to draft a high level starter this year. If we look like a young team on the rise by then and Monte manages the cap space well, I think he'll be able to attract a significant free agent in two years.
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If the goal is to keep Barnes in your scenario, we may not have enough room to pull that off. It also means not resigning DiVencenzo (or having him as a team option that year), moving Holmes for cap space, and possibly needing to clear Mitchell’s salary. Besides that, a team like Fox-Brown-Barnes-Griffin/Murray-Sabonis would be pretty formidable.

Ideally we look at the 2023 off-season as the time to add a significant free agent. Sabonis will still be making only $19,400,000 in the 2023-24 season allowing us to throw some big money at someone while keeping our assets. At this point, I think this is how I proceed…
  • Trade Holmes for Dwight Powell and #24
  • Draft AJ Griffin or Keegan Murray with our pick (assuming we stay around #5-#6)
  • Draft EJ Liddell, Kendall Brown, Wendell Moore, & Ochai Agbaji at #24
  • Not sure who I want yet at #36 and #52
  • Resign DiVincenzo to a 4 year, $24-28 mil deal
  • Resign D. Jones to a 2 year, $6 mil deal (team option 2nd year)
Leaves us with a 2022-23 roster of…

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - DiVincenzo / Davis
SF - Barnes / Holiday / Harkless
PF - Lyles / Metu
C - Sabonis / Jones / Len
Picks - #6 / #24 / #36 / #52

Then you go into next off-season with hopefully a playoff birth and the following players still under contract Fox, Mitchell, DiVincenzo, Sabonis, #6, #24, #36, #52, & 2023 SAC 1st which I believe leaves us with ~$45 mil in cap space to resign Barnes and go after another big name free agent. There are a lot of good looking RFAs coming up that would be solid acquisitions with our cap space:
  • Tyler Herro
  • Jordan Poole
  • Cam Reddish
  • Matisse Thybulle
  • RJ Barrett
  • DeAndre Hunter
  • Cameron Johnson
  • Keldon Johnson
  • Nassir Little
  • Darius Bazley
  • Rui Hachimura
  • Grant Williams
  • PJ Washington
There are also a few UFAs and Player Options which would be good targets:
  • Jerami Grant
  • Christian Wood
  • Gary Trent
  • Josh Hart

I feel like the 2023 off-season will be our time to make a splash which will hopefully convince Sabonis to stick around longer as well.
 
twslam07 said:
If the goal is to keep Barnes in your scenario, we may not have enough room to pull that off. It also means not resigning DiVencenzo (or having him as a team option that year), moving Holmes for cap space, and possibly needing to clear Mitchell’s salary. Besides that, a team like Fox-Brown-Barnes-Griffin/Murray-Sabonis would be pretty formidable.

Ideally we look at the 2023 off-season as the time to add a significant free agent. Sabonis will still be making only $19,400,000 in the 2023-24 season allowing us to throw some big money at someone while keeping our assets. At this point, I think this is how I proceed…
  • Trade Holmes for Dwight Powell and #24
  • Draft AJ Griffin or Keegan Murray with our pick (assuming we stay around #5-#6)
  • Draft EJ Liddell, Kendall Brown, Wendell Moore, & Ochai Agbaji at #24
  • Not sure who I want yet at #36 and #52
  • Resign DiVincenzo to a 4 year, $24-28 mil deal
  • Resign D. Jones to a 2 year, $6 mil deal (team option 2nd year)
Leaves us with a 2022-23 roster of…

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - DiVincenzo / Davis
SF - Barnes / Holiday / Harkless
PF - Lyles / Metu
C - Sabonis / Jones / Len
Picks - #6 / #24 / #36 / #52

Then you go into next off-season with hopefully a playoff birth and the following players still under contract Fox, Mitchell, DiVincenzo, Sabonis, #6, #24, #36, #52, & 2023 SAC 1st which I believe leaves us with ~$45 mil in cap space to resign Barnes and go after another big name free agent. There are a lot of good looking RFAs coming up that would be solid acquisitions with our cap space:
  • Tyler Herro
  • Jordan Poole
  • Cam Reddish
  • Matisse Thybulle
  • RJ Barrett
  • DeAndre Hunter
  • Cameron Johnson
  • Keldon Johnson
  • Nassir Little
  • Darius Bazley
  • Rui Hachimura
  • Grant Williams
  • PJ Washington
There are also a few UFAs and Player Options which would be good targets:
  • Jerami Grant
  • Christian Wood
  • Gary Trent
  • Josh Hart

I feel like the 2023 off-season will be our time to make a splash which will hopefully convince Sabonis to stick around longer as well.
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I wasn't that impressed with the 2023 FA class and I figure it'll take at least 2 years for most rookies to establish themselves as a proven commodity, that's why I was looking more at 2024. There will be a slightly higher cap by then too. Barnes would have to re-sign for a little less than he's making now or at least a frontloaded contract that goes down in 2024 and beyond. I'm not sure about Donte -- the way he's playing right now he shouldn't be expensive. And I believe we can offer a max contract before re-signing Sabonis with Bird rights. It would be expensive, but that's the price of competing for a championship.
 
The_Jamal said:
I think part of what has made Barnes so great the last 2 years is he isn't taking on the same Mavericks big USG role that he wasn't all that good in. He's slotted so perfectly where he's able to fit in with other high USG players and be effective in more limited shot attempts.

That said, 91st in FGA is insane. That has to come up.
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Pretty much. I *do* think he's a better player now and could better handle the role the Mavs asked him to play early on. But mostly - yeah, this team would be decidedly better off offensively if HB were getting, say, 14-15 FGA per.
 
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