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twslam07
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I don't believe McNair is tied to Fox long term. If the right deal comes along, I don't think he'd hesitate to move him (especially since two of his hand picked PG/SGs are here in Mitchell & DiVincenzo). I feel like anything is on the table really...
I wouldn't really be surprised if any of these trades occurred in the offseason. I think the only piece being moved at this point that would shock me would be Sabonis.
- Trading Fox for another star-lite player and open the PG spot up for Mitchell
- Trading Mitchell to add a better fitting SG, SF, or PF around Fox & Sabonis
- Trading Barnes for a piece that fits with the core long term
- Trading Holmes for a better fitting piece
- Trading the 2022 1st for "win now" help
I wouldn't really be surprised if any of these trades occurred in the offseason. I think the only piece being moved at this point that would shock me would be Sabonis.
Yeah and we sneakily have like 5 enders if we keep Lyles (Davis, Harkless, Lyles, Holiday, Len), that are all at least somewhat useful rotation guys in potential deals/salary matchers . Underrated aspect of McNair's deadline is the flexibility he's created these next 2 years before Sabonis and Barnes are up for a new a big payday.
I'd be pretty stunned if we traded Fox at this point. The confidence in Davion would have to be unreal or if we end up with Jaden Ivey in the draft. Even then, I don't know if Ivey is someone you want to throw a big scoring/playmaking role onto right away. I think the whole point of being ok enough to move on from Hali is you have the confidence that Fox can be that all-star guy we expect him to be. I love the Davion progress, but we'd have to see a serious playmaking leap from him to fully turn the keys over as the lead ball-handler. And I feel like that'd be putting like Jokic-level creation onto Sabonis, which just isn't a fair expectation.
twslam07
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Well I think you need to consider what we'd be getting back for Fox. Trading Fox doesn't necessarily mean a huge offensive load is going to fall onto Mitchell and/or Ivey.
EIM86
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i agree that Banchero and Ivey aren’t the greatest fit but we gotta go BPA wherever we are in the draft imo. I don’t wanna see Sac, a small market team doing a Sam Bowie over Jordan pick a la Portland. Or Bagley over Luka (I’ve learned from my mistake of Wanting to draft Bagley for team fit).
EIM86
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Donovan is a legit player but product of having a team built around him. His stats would go down
Here unless we get a team built similar to the Jazz
Tetsujin
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So many of Donovan's defensive issues have been masked by having Gobert behind him in the paint too. He's probably a bit better of an overall defender than Fox at this point in their careers but so much of the turmoil the Jazz are experiencing this year stems from Gobert getting angry about having to shoulder the defensive load for his guards.
Not quite sure Mitchell would be as big an upgrade as some people here think.
All legit points (he for sure has flaws) - but I’ve seen Donovan Mitchell carry his team offensively in the playoffs. And he’s a dawg. That type of player could really change the King’s fortunes. And they are not often available.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
who’s to say any of the guys on the Kings roster wouldn’t be able to do the same though?
Donovan is among the premier scorers in the league sure but is smaller than Fox, the same age as Sabonis, coming off of a fairly major injury that effectively cost the Jazz a playoff series last year, and is even more of a two guard than Fox is. Albeit Sabonis helps alleviate that particular issue but trading Fox and acquiring Mitchell is essentially a lateral move/net negative considering the assets you probably have to move to a rebuilding/retooling Jazz franchise, especially when they’re being run by notorious tightwad Danny Ainge, to get them to move him to you rather than a needy team in the east.
32nd out of 2000 sounds good but need more details when there are 30 teams in the league and this is your best of the best.
kb02
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Wouldn't mind giving this dude a look in the off season: https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/oth...-team-is-delighted-with-dante-exum/ar-AATpIOG
I've always been intrigued by his physical tools. Can be a legit secondary ball handler and wing defender. Just needs to work on that three ball.
I've always been intrigued by his physical tools. Can be a legit secondary ball handler and wing defender. Just needs to work on that three ball.
SacTownKid
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I kind of disagree. I think he indeed wanted Sabonis, but moving Fox would have been like moving a mountain for McNair. If he was nearly as tied to Haliburton as many thought than he simply wouldn't have moved him. On the other hand, if he thought Sabonis was a player the level of someone you can build an offense around, well, so far, yeah, Fox is still clearly the "man". Sabonis is a very productive player that can be a legit piece but you build around Fox and Sabonis, not one or the other. They simply aren't at that level. Fox is closer though. Much closer.
Well, that's only with a handful of games after a trade. That rating may move up given some practice time and increased familiarity with each other.
miltonap
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I definitely agree with this.
Davion is a baller, he's an older rookie, elite first step, culture changer, elite defender.
I don't think McNair would be quick to get rid of him.
I do believe Fox will fully rebuild his trade value by the end of this season.
I could see him traded for an all-star wing in the off-season.
Perhaps Jaylen Brown ? Fox and Richaun Holmes for Jaylen Brown.
It would resolve a mini guard-glut so it would be a maximization of assets.
Davion
DDV
Brown
Barnes
Sabonis
This team is a contender imo or least a high playoff seed.
That's a nasty perimeter trio.
Not sure if that would be enough for Jaylen and it may depend on what happens with the Celtics this postseason
Worth noting Brown only has 2 more years left on his deal before he heads for UFA. Fox has 4. And at bare minimum, you're going to need the 2022 FRP to get them to even consider the swap. So you better be damn sure Sabonis/Brown want to play together, because you're gambling the next 5-7 years that you could get them to resign in UFA.
I don't think Brown is available anymore though. Celtics are starting to ball out and Derrick White is a real nice connector piece that they desperately needed on offense they essentially got for free.
I think Ingram is probably out too. They took their guard swing on CJ, who has another 2 years on his deal at 30+ mil. I don't see why they'd be in a hurry to create just a worse Dame-CJ back-court of great offensive/weak defensive guards.
serbiangoat
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When did the term "connector" suddenly explode?
Personally, I think you still have a year before you really get desperate and can continue to build this up smartly before "going all-in". Shop Holmes, draft your 8-12 pick and utilize your cap space flexibility to get another core rotation guy. Like, i'd be pretty thrilled with a mock off-season looking like:
Resign DDV with RFA rights to a 4 year deal
Sign Malik Monk to a 3 year deal
Draft Ben Mathurin or
Holmes is traded for an equal level asset. (PJ Washington?)
With a new coach and full training camp you run out:
Fox || Mitchell
DDV || Monk || Davis
Holiday || Mathurin
Barnes || Metu
Sabonis || Jones/Len
*Holmes asset.
Lots of youth, defense, athleticism and shooting potential around Fox and Sabonis. I really do Monk can fill a huge need here and should just slot perfectly in a wing core with Mitchell/DDV/Holiday. I think most importantly, you give the team/youth a chance to really spike around Sabonis/Fox for a year and build the most possible upside you can before you have to pay Barnes and Sabonis. And you can evaluate if you need to push all-in the following year.
Resign DDV with RFA rights to a 4 year deal
Sign Malik Monk to a 3 year deal
Draft Ben Mathurin or
Holmes is traded for an equal level asset. (PJ Washington?)
With a new coach and full training camp you run out:
Fox || Mitchell
DDV || Monk || Davis
Holiday || Mathurin
Barnes || Metu
Sabonis || Jones/Len
*Holmes asset.
Lots of youth, defense, athleticism and shooting potential around Fox and Sabonis. I really do Monk can fill a huge need here and should just slot perfectly in a wing core with Mitchell/DDV/Holiday. I think most importantly, you give the team/youth a chance to really spike around Sabonis/Fox for a year and build the most possible upside you can before you have to pay Barnes and Sabonis. And you can evaluate if you need to push all-in the following year.
I understand that, which is why I'm saying the x mins played qualifier is the wrong way to contextualize this. Give me an NBA Jam like rank where the best rated duo per team is used, but you throw out any that don't average 20 minutes per game on the floor together. Or assign every team a big 3 by notoriety/eye test and again just use that to get ~100 and see where it goes. Also need to know how much the top 10 represent the best teams in the league and how many teams are represented by multiple duos at the top.
I mean this sounds like some guy just whipping numbers out of his behind. Which umm, what is the source on these rankings? His follow up post that says they are 1919 in defensive rating for example... where do I see these metrics?
steelevt
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why are we ready to ship out fox as soon as he starts playing well. where most teams see a team finally gelling and build towards next season, some of us just see it as building trade value. It's a never ending cycle. Put together a team that plays well but not quite .500, as soon as they build chemistry, trade away a major piece, suck, complain, put together a team that plays well but not quite .500, repeat...
miltonap
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kb02
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On KF.com? My guess: easier way to describe Hali's hockey assists.
kb02
All-Star
Jaylen Clark vs. Ben Mathurin in the Pac 12 Tourney will be must see TV.
Connector, secondary ball handler, playmaking wing, etc - once the nerds took over the we went from “positions” to “archetypes”.
EIM86
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we have an archetype a la Utah Jazz to build around Fox but it can be tweaked for potentially better results. One problem with the Jazz is in the playoffs they expose Gobert. We would need a big man that can defend AND shoot
kb02
All-Star
I think the difference is there's a 99.9% chance he'll get the ball back from Sabonis if he cuts or moves and is open. Dump the ball to Holmes/Whiteside/Len/Jones/WCS and there's a 99.9% chance he'll never see the ball again on that possession. Sabonis unlocks Fox and others.
This plus Sabonis sets mean screens.
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