kb02
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Man, you're giving me flashbacks of those WCS/Bagley slip screens. Lolzzz.
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Man, you're giving me flashbacks of those WCS/Bagley slip screens. Lolzzz.
Dime Dropper
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Is De'Aaron OK? He looks very gaunt in that video, his eyes are sunk into his head.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Dude was probably up all night playing an advanced copy of Elden Ring or something.
He's quite the connector.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Sabonis is smart when it comes to spacing. The key to giving Fox space was always putting Barnes at the 4. Or a legit shooter there period. Holmes was great in pick and roll with De'Aaron. Holmes/Bagley was the issue. Neither one or the other.
twslam07
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Another low key target that could be a great complement to Sabonis long term is Paul Reed.
He's got many things we're looking for at PF...
I wonder what Philly would want for him.
He's got many things we're looking for at PF...
- Good size & length (219 lbs, 6'8.5" w/o shoes, 7'2" wingspan, & 9'1.5" standing reach)
- Ability to space the floor (.438 3PT% on 4.3 3PA per 36 min in G League. Also has a .750 FT%)
- Ability to protect the rim (1.9 BLK per 36 min in G League)
- Ability to guard on the perimeter with his mobility (2.1 STL per 36 min in G League - not that steals prove this just interesting how many steals he gets)
- Potential to be a lob threat with a max vertical of 37.5" and a standing reach of 9'1.5" (meaning his maximum reach is 12'3")
- Ability to rebound (13.9 REB per 36 min in G League)
- Efficient scorer (.663 TS% on 25.3 PTS per 36 min in G League)
- On the same timeline as our core (only 22 years old)
I wonder what Philly would want for him.
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twslam07
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We are on track to have a lot of cap space for the 2023 offseason (even if we keep Barnes & DiVincenso long term), and there are quite a few players that could be solid fits at PF that we could go after with that cap space:
Perhaps the plan is to stay patient, draft where we end up, move Holmes for another pick or asset, and see if we can pry away a solid PF with our cap space to round out the rotation. For example, we could have a rotation of:
PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - DiVincenzo
SF - Barnes
PF - Grant
C - Sabonis
Picks - 2022 SAC 1st, 2023 SAC 1st, & Pick/Asset from trading Holmes
Signing Grant with cap space is a lot more attractive than trading a lottery pick for him.
- Jerami Grant
- Christian Wood
- Maxi Kleber
- DeAndre Hunter
- Nassir Little
- PJ Washington
- Grant Williams
- Paul Reed
- Kyle Kuzma
Perhaps the plan is to stay patient, draft where we end up, move Holmes for another pick or asset, and see if we can pry away a solid PF with our cap space to round out the rotation. For example, we could have a rotation of:
PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - DiVincenzo
SF - Barnes
PF - Grant
C - Sabonis
Picks - 2022 SAC 1st, 2023 SAC 1st, & Pick/Asset from trading Holmes
Signing Grant with cap space is a lot more attractive than trading a lottery pick for him.
I was high on Paul Reed in the draft and wanted the Kings to take him in the 2nd round, but as good as he looked at time in the G-League last year, he's been super inconsistent this year.
twslam07
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Has he even played enough this year to be inconsistent? 229 minutes isn’t a lot to begin with.
Fair enough. And he's continued to put up numbers in the G League. His outside shot goes in (at least in the G League) at a decent rate, but his mechanics are still bizarre. There's still a lot to like about "Bball Paul" but if he can't get on the court for meaningful minutes with the Sixers, it's hard to believe he'd be a rotation player (or even part time starter) with the Kings.
twslam07
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Well Harris, Embiid, & Drummond ate up a ton of the PF & C minutes (not much left for Reed to begin with). And on top of that, the 76ers were a pretty deep team:
PG - Maxey / Milton / Springer
SG - Curry / Korkmaz / Joe
SF - Green / Thybulle
PF - Harris / Niang / Reed
C - Embiid / Drummond / Bassey
I'm not sure why him not being in the rotation for a deep playoff team means it's hard to believe he'd be a rotation player. Now if he wasn't getting consistent minutes on a bottom dweller like ORL then I'd be concerned. Niang shooting 40% from 3 on 7.7 3PA per 36 minutes also makes it tough to crack the rotation for a team that craves space around Embiid.
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iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I proposed this in another thread but how about
Atlanta trades Collins, Jalen Johnson '22 first rounder
Kings trade Barnes, '22 first rounder (a swap probably something like 7 for 15) '23 first rounder, 2 '22 second rounders
Atlanta unloads the asset they have had on the market for awhile for a win now forward that fits, a higher draft slot this year and a first the following year. They need to find a way to get Okongwu into the starting lineup and he may be too small to play center. Barnes gives them shooting and scoring while drastically upgrading their defense with Okongwu.
Kings bet on Collins being an ascending player and make him the primary scorer along with Fox letting Sabonis do what he does best, facilitate.
They get a good look at Johnson as the future small forward. They could then draft Agbaji possibly with the mid rounder.
Fox Mitchell
Agbaji DDV Davis
Holiday Johnson
Collins Metu
Sabonis Dame Queta
Atlanta trades Collins, Jalen Johnson '22 first rounder
Kings trade Barnes, '22 first rounder (a swap probably something like 7 for 15) '23 first rounder, 2 '22 second rounders
Atlanta unloads the asset they have had on the market for awhile for a win now forward that fits, a higher draft slot this year and a first the following year. They need to find a way to get Okongwu into the starting lineup and he may be too small to play center. Barnes gives them shooting and scoring while drastically upgrading their defense with Okongwu.
Kings bet on Collins being an ascending player and make him the primary scorer along with Fox letting Sabonis do what he does best, facilitate.
They get a good look at Johnson as the future small forward. They could then draft Agbaji possibly with the mid rounder.
Fox Mitchell
Agbaji DDV Davis
Holiday Johnson
Collins Metu
Sabonis Dame Queta
serbiangoat
Starter
The Kings should try build something similar to what the Knicks had around Amare before Melo/Lin
Sabonis - Amare
draft/trade - Gallo
Barnes - Wilson Chandler
draft trade - rookie Landry Fields
Mitchell - Felton
If they can move Fox you can get cap space/pieces. Will it win a ring no but will it be exciting and above 500. very possible.
Sabonis - Amare
draft/trade - Gallo
Barnes - Wilson Chandler
draft trade - rookie Landry Fields
Mitchell - Felton
If they can move Fox you can get cap space/pieces. Will it win a ring no but will it be exciting and above 500. very possible.
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Ok, but this roster is capable of being above .500, especially with an off-season together and competent coaching. The floor is definitely there for at least a 6 seed.
This team definitely needs shooting at wing positions, but I wouldn't sacrifice a guy who can get his own shot (Fox) to do so, especially with how he's looked since the arrival of Sabonis.
But he po'd a lot of tech bros with his failed NFT
Yeah I'm all for surrounding Fox and Sabonis with shooters (who aren't afraid of Defense, thank you Buddy) and seeing where it takes us with a good coach.
kb02
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But he po'd a lot of tech bros with his failed NFT
Yeah I'm all for surrounding Fox and Sabonis with shooters (who aren't afraid of Defense, thank you Buddy) and seeing where it takes us with a good coach.
$1.5m (peanuts). So I don’t think it’s tech bros who got rug pulled. More like hardcore gen z Fox fans.
https://theathletic.com/3150554/202...messy-nft-project/?source=user_shared_article
twslam07
All-Star
Dare I suggest Porzingis as a potential solution at PF?
7'3" with a 7'6" wingspan and a 9'4.5" standing reach. Great shot blocker, solid floor spacer, & solid scoring option who's on the same timeline as our core (26 years old). His advanced impact stats have been good this year:
LA-RAPM = +1.17
LEBRON = +3.59
RPM = +3.77
RAPTOR = +1.00
And more importantly, his defensive advanced impact stats have been good too:
LA-DRAPM = +0.97
DLEBRON = +1.87
DRPM = +1.52
DRAPTOR = +0.70
He (and a 2nd round pick) was just traded for Dinwiddie & Bertans. I'm wondering if something like the following is enough to get it done...
Kristaps Porzingis
Vernon Carey
2022 WAS 1st (Currently #12)
for
Richaun Holmes
Davion Mitchell
Mo Harkless
Terence Davis
Alex Len
We basically swap Holmes for Porzingis who is a much better fit for us and we swap Mitchell for a late lottery pick to bring someone in who maybe complements/fits better with a core of Fox/Porzingis/Sabonis. Washington gets more cap flexibility, a solid starting C to pair with Kuzma at PF, and they get an excellent complement at PG next to Beal in Mitchell.
PG - Fox / DiVincenzo
SG - Holiday
SF - Barnes
PF - Porzingis / Lyles / Metu
C - Sabonis / Carey
Picks - #6 / #12 / #36 / #56
With #6 & #12, we could go a combination of Ivey/Davis/Mathurin and Griffin/K. Brown to bring in some young pieces who could be long term fits at SG & SF.
7'3" with a 7'6" wingspan and a 9'4.5" standing reach. Great shot blocker, solid floor spacer, & solid scoring option who's on the same timeline as our core (26 years old). His advanced impact stats have been good this year:
LA-RAPM = +1.17
LEBRON = +3.59
RPM = +3.77
RAPTOR = +1.00
And more importantly, his defensive advanced impact stats have been good too:
LA-DRAPM = +0.97
DLEBRON = +1.87
DRPM = +1.52
DRAPTOR = +0.70
He (and a 2nd round pick) was just traded for Dinwiddie & Bertans. I'm wondering if something like the following is enough to get it done...
Kristaps Porzingis
Vernon Carey
2022 WAS 1st (Currently #12)
for
Richaun Holmes
Davion Mitchell
Mo Harkless
Terence Davis
Alex Len
We basically swap Holmes for Porzingis who is a much better fit for us and we swap Mitchell for a late lottery pick to bring someone in who maybe complements/fits better with a core of Fox/Porzingis/Sabonis. Washington gets more cap flexibility, a solid starting C to pair with Kuzma at PF, and they get an excellent complement at PG next to Beal in Mitchell.
PG - Fox / DiVincenzo
SG - Holiday
SF - Barnes
PF - Porzingis / Lyles / Metu
C - Sabonis / Carey
Picks - #6 / #12 / #36 / #56
With #6 & #12, we could go a combination of Ivey/Davis/Mathurin and Griffin/K. Brown to bring in some young pieces who could be long term fits at SG & SF.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
If Beal declines his player option and is signed and traded I could see the Wiz looking to move off Zinger (not if they have to trade draft capital) but if he picks up the option I think they plan to build something around Zinger, Beal and Deni.
He does seem to be a much better player than given credit for but the injuries aren’t going away in all likelihood. That is the one downside to moving off Buddy as we don’t have much salary to match trades.
He does seem to be a much better player than given credit for but the injuries aren’t going away in all likelihood. That is the one downside to moving off Buddy as we don’t have much salary to match trades.
EIM86
Starter
i proposed this months ago and got slaughtered LOL
if we get lucky AF in the lotto, I’d prefer Holmgren
twslam07
All-Star
Cam Johnson seems like a solid target at SF.
- 25 years old so he fits the timeline of our core
- Decent size (6'7" w/o shoes with a 6'10" wingspan and 8'7" standing reach)
- His advanced impact stats are also solid particularly on the defensive side of the ball (see below)
- Elite shooter who has a .432 3P% this year on 8.0 3PA per36 min (something that's desperately needed with Fox & Sabonis)
- Potentially attainable considering he's in a backup role at Phoenix and only has 1 more season on his rookie deal before he's paid
I'm in. Cam would be absolutely perfect. Funny how the Suns got slaughtered for trading back to select him and they've developed him into one of the better 3/4 flex wing 3&D guys in the league.
Sun cap situation looks pretty dire to keep him too.
Booker-33 mil
CP3 28.4 mil
Ayton-RFA. Max contract? or damn close
Bridges-21 mil
Shamet- $9.5 mil
All these guys are on long-term deals. And some of their short-term guys who are crucial role players i imagine they won't want to just dump:
Jae Crowder-10 mil
Cam Payne- 6 mil
Torrey Craig- 5mil
Depending where we end up, I would not be mad if we traded the FRP for him. You lose the cost-controlled aspect, but that really doesn't matter as much since we're on a 2-year timeline to keep Sabonis here. Cam is basically exactly what you hope any of those 8-12 wing prospects turn into anyway, just expedited and more fully developed. He'd be interchangeable with Barnes too, which is what you ideally want.
Ideally, you can send them one of the expiring (take their pick between TD, Len, Harkless, Holiday) and the 2023 top 10 protected.
This sounds fair. Would they have interest in Holmes though given his relatively low cost? That said we can't keep all the expirings and I'm inclined to say top 10 protection on 2023 works for me if they'd bite. We still get a crack at developing the 22 pick and new coach, system etc. I don't think 2023 mid round pick will be a big loss. In fact I expect a six seed next year.
twslam07
All-Star
I don't know about sending out our 1st for him. That seems a bit steep for my liking. He's going to get paid soon and I don't think I can overlook that difference in contract to say yes to that type of deal.
Maybe a 2023 1st instead? But would PHX really be open to selling off a win now player for a future pick? Or would they rather a tangible, cheap player that can play now. Maybe Holmes and a protected 2023 1st?
Yeah. the thinking is keeping this year or next top 10-protected no matter what. And the way this draft is shaping out, all the guys potentially available in that range: (Mathurin, Murray, Eason, Brown) are basically picks we hope turn out like Cam Johnson. But we get the developed version who's still young at 25 years old and fits right in with the age core.
Yeah, it just depends if they'd be willing to let him walk in RFA. Assuming he keeps up this play for another season, he's gonna be like a 4/50 at least type of extension. He's been really, really good. And considering their window is right now, that would make some sense to keep a guy who's crucial to their role player core. We'll see what happens with Ayton. If the rumors are true they don't want to max him, that would open up room for them to keep Cam.
Basically top 10 protected FRP and their pick of Harkless/TD/Holmes/Len/Holiday, etc. With preference to 2023 FRP. Seems like a pretty good haul for a team that won't want to pay Cam (or can't really afford him).
Phoenix is so cheap they don't want to pay Ayton so I think they make a deal.
The Effort Police
Starter
Chris Duarte is only a year younger than Sabonis and Turner but the latter two went through an entire era of Pacers basketball while the former is set to be a key piece to the next one.
twslam07
All-Star
How about this…
CHA Gets: Richaun Holmes, #30, & #36
CHA Gives: Mason Plumlee & PJ Washington
Why for CHA? They avoid giving Washington a big payday and going into the tax. Get an upgrade at C who’s cost controlled and get a couple of decent picks to replace the youth.
PHX Gets: Davion Mitchell
PHX Gives: Cameron Johnson & #30
Why for PHX? Saves them from having to give Johnson a big payday and use those $s elsewhere (Ayton). They also get a perfect complement to Booker at PG in Mitchell who’s mentor is CP3. He’ll be able to learn under his wing for a few years and eventually hand over the reigns.
SAC Gets: Mason Plumlee, Cameron Johnson, & PJ Washington
SAC Gives: Richaun Holmes, Davion Mitchell, & #36
Why for SAC? Johnson and Washington would be excellent fits at SF and PF next to Fox and Sabonis long term. Both are solid defenders, great shooters, and good decision makers. Would still have our 2022 1st to add a great piece.
PG - Fox / Divincenzo
SG - Holiday / Davis
SF - Barnes / Johnson / Harkless
PF - Washington / Lyles / Metu
C - Sabonis / Plumlee / Len
Very interesting. I think Im in. I actually think Plum is a pretty great back-up for Sabonis. He can slightly do some of the same type of passing things. You know I'm already all-in on PJ and Davion for Cam seems pretty fair from a talent perspective and roster balancing perspective. Adding Cam and PJ shooting/defense is absolutely perfect around Fox/Sabonis and both still have age upside built in. If you can get DDV to rebound to his old form, that's a really exciting complimentary role palyer core that's super impactful on both ends.
Giving up Davion would be a bummer, but the Cam Johnson archetype of being a good 2-way 3/4 flex wing is too rare to pass up. Especially when we're looking to be good game 1 next season. He also gives you some protection if Barnes decides to bolt after next season in UFA.
You'd need a back-up ball-handler (Tyus Jones?) and would still have the FRP for more young talent infusion, but that team would be pretty darn good on offense especially. Certainly wouldn't have a problem scoring points.
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