Rondo on the trading block?

[Capt. Factorial]

Interesting ESPN article, only giving up Whiteside, IT (more likely Jimmer) and draft pick for Rondo.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/stor...ade-fixes-lakers-clippers-warriors-suns-kings

Yeah the problem with that (as mentioned) is that it makes our guard rotation even more impacted (unless you're going to play Tyreke at the 3 full time), doesn't help our issues at the 3 (same caveat) and leaves us with even worse outside shooting.

With the way IT is playing, and the ability that Tyreke continues to show (despite the absolute blindness of some here and most in the national media) to be a playmaker, I'm pretty satisfied with our guard rotation right now. We've got Tyreke/Thornton/IT, with Jimmer, Garcia, and even Salmons (who might be better suited at the 2) to back that up. That's just not where our problem is. And trading a backup and our pick (which we could hope to use on a 3/4 defensive player) to get another guard and fix what's not terribly broken...why?

 

[upinsmoke]

Depends on how high we pick inside 1-6 no way, 7-10 maybe, 1-14 yes. Personally I would offer Evans and jimmer or whiteside/Honeycutt before the deadline. Not IT because it would make the trade a wash the whole reason would to have a Rondo/IT pg combo. No need to break the bank for Rondo because I can almost guarantee no other gm is going to either.

 

[twslam07]

Interesting ESPN article, only giving up Whiteside, IT (more likely Jimmer) and draft pick for Rondo.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/stor...ade-fixes-lakers-clippers-warriors-suns-kings

If we're going after Rondo, Evans would have to be in the deal. There is no way we would survive with the poor shooting of Rondo AND Evans. It's doable with one of them as long as the other wing players are good shooters (Allen and Pierce).

For me personally, I would prefer to hold on to Tyreke. He has been progressing. He seems to be improving as a playmaker and becoming more willing to get his teammates involved. Now if he could only improve his jumpshot...

Right now we are frustrated because it seems like there is no perfect complimentary guard to Evans. It would have to be a guard who can hit the three, doesn't demand the ball, and being able to setup teammates when the ball does come his way. Those are hard to come by for a reasonable price.

As Evans ages, his shot will be better, his playmaking ability will be better, and his decision making will be better which will make it easier for other players to play off of him. Give him more time. He's still only 22.

 

[Bricklayer]

Depends on how high we pick inside 1-6 no way, 7-10 maybe, 1-14 yes. Personally I would offer Evans and jimmer or whiteside/Honeycutt before the deadline. Not IT because it would make the trade a wash the whole reason would to have a Rondo/IT pg combo. No need to break the bank for Rondo because I can almost guarantee no other gm is going to either.

Teh whole reason would be to have a Rondo/IT combo? Are you kidding?

The biggest problem with this proposal is precisiely that you can't play the two twerps together, hence somebody gets to be the 32min guy and the other the 16 min guy. That's before we hit the Reke/Thornton SG problem.

On the other hand at least the writer got it right with the defensive SF and rim protector inside being the other roleplayers needed too.

BTW, we've got a problem now with IT heating up as well, but if for any reason you were going to give up a Tyreke Evans in a trade like this than you damn well better be willing to give up some random draft pick. Foolishness aside, how many guys each year are better than Reke? 1? 2? If you could get rondo for nothing more than our pick and Jimmer or something you have to look at that as a pure talent gift. Now how the hell you make that pure talent gift work in the real world I have no idea. Too many guards needing minutes.

 

[bajaden]

Rondo has proven he's a winner.

Tyreke has proven he's not, in my eyes.

If the Kings can get an established winning PG, whether it be Derron Williams or Rondo or Tony Parker, I say they trade anyone but Cousins for them and consider themselves lucky.

We've got to stop projecting possible future talent when they haven't gotten significantly better since they joined the league.
Start putting pieces together that work, today, and can gel to make a team that can compete in the NBA.

Also - don't compare Tyreke's small salary now.
Make your projections with what Tyreke will be making after he extends, or after he signs his big deal.
Let's say he'll get $10+ million a year (just throwing out a number).
I just don't think Tyreke is worth $10+ million dollars a year, when they could put that money into someone who's been a proven winner.

Answer me this, how big a winner would Rondo have been if he was leading the Kings for the last three years? And, how big a winner would Tyreke have been if he were on the same team with Garnett, Allen, and Pierce for the last three years? No disrespect to Rondo is intended, but come on, things just aren't that black and white.

 

[SacTownKid]

Ainge went hard after Tyreke in the past and Petrie might be at the point where he's ready to listen, I wouldn't hate it, but I wouldn't be jumping for joy either. Rondo would improve this team defensively but I'd rather see the Kings just go after Hinrich this summer, not the talent that Rondo is but you keep Reke and get a PG stopper not to mention he's a better shooter.

 

[upinsmoke]

Teh whole reason would be to have a Rondo/IT combo? Are you kidding?

The biggest problem with this proposal is precisiely that you can't play the two twerps together, hence somebody gets to be the 32min guy and the other the 16 min guy. That's before we hit the Reke/Thornton SG problem.

On the other hand at least the writer got it right with the defensive SF and rim protector inside being the other roleplayers needed too.

BTW, we've got a problem now with IT heating up as well, but if for any reason you were going to give up a Tyreke Evans in a trade like this than you damn well better be willing to give up some random draft pick. Foolishness aside, how many guys each year are better than Reke? 1? 2? If you could get rondo for nothing more than our pick and Jimmer or something you have to look at that as a pure talent gift. Now how the hell you make that pure talent gift work in the real world I have no idea. Too many guards needing minutes.

Rondo playing next to Tyreke would be soo bad. Move Evans for Rondo and yes IT as good as he has been playing big picture is best served for the backup role. Also by making this move it creates the option of trading our pick (draft night) for a SF.

We could have the best bench in a season or two with players like IT/Thornton/Greene/Hayes/Jimmer? all seasoned and packing a big punch late in games.

 

[Mass]

Answer me this, how big a winner would Rondo have been if he was leading the Kings for the last three years? And, how big a winner would Tyreke have been if he were on the same team with Garnett, Allen, and Pierce for the last three years? No disrespect to Rondo is intended, but come on, things just aren't that black and white.

This is the question. Rondo looks much better than what he actually is. He is a good player, but no way I'm going to give them Tyreke for him. He has been playing with KG, Pierce and Allen, and that helped him a lot. I really don't think he would be an all star like he is right now if he was playing for the Kings (or any other bad team). That said, if at the end of the day Boston is going to give us Rondo for Jimmer, Hassan and a pick in the 10-14 range, you can't really say no. But then you have 4 guards deserving minutes, and I'm not sure how it could work.

 

[SacTownKid]

This is the question. Rondo looks much better than what he actually is. He is a good player, but no way I'm going to give them Tyreke for him. He has been playing with KG, Pierce and Allen, and that helped him a lot. I really don't think he would be an all star like he is right now if he was playing for the Kings (or any other bad team). That said, if at the end of the day Boston is going to give us Rondo for Jimmer, Hassan and a pick in the 10-14 range, you can't really say no. But then you have 4 guards deserving minutes, and I'm not sure how it could work.

Eh, I don't know, I think his team has looked better because of those guys but Rondo is solid. He's not a superstar by any stretch and that's why Ainge is willing to move him. It's like Perkins in a way, a bit overrated and Ainge knows it. Problem is you can probably say the same thing about Tyreke right now.

 

[Spike]

Right now we are frustrated because it seems like there is no perfect complimentary guard to Evans. It would have to be a guard who can hit the three, doesn't demand the ball, and being able to setup teammates when the ball does come his way. Those are hard to come by for a reasonable price.

I'm pretty sure Petrie thought this would be the guy:

Maybe he still can be.

 

[bajaden]

Some food for thought. This from Chris Broussard of ESPN...

"Boston is aggressively shopping Rondo, according to sources. The Celtics find Rondo’s personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers continue. With the Celtics having realized they are no longer title contenders, they don’t believe the payoff is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him."

Example, at a filming session with the team, Rondo lost it and threw a bottle of water through the video screen. This is just one of several incidents. Do we really want to trade one of our best players for a player that despite his talents and youth, Boston wants no part of. Sorry, I'm going to pass....

 

[Hoovtrain]

Some food for thought. This from Chris Broussard of ESPN...

"Boston is aggressively shopping Rondo, according to sources. The Celtics find Rondo’s personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers continue. With the Celtics having realized they are no longer title contenders, they don’t believe the payoff is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him."

Example, at a filming session with the team, Rondo lost it and threw a bottle of water through the video screen. This is just one of several incidents. Do we really want to trade one of our best players for a player that despite his talents and youth, Boston wants no part of. Sorry, I'm going to pass....

Lovely. And that is on a championship caliber (or was at least) team that is full of veteran leadership and is a structured environment.

 

[gunks]

Rondo is sick....But still, if he comes here I'd feel like it would only be a matter of time before Cousins breaks his neck.

 

[Bricklayer]

gues you could always hope for it being a Westphal/Cousins situation, but...yeah

 

[Kingster]

Some food for thought. This from Chris Broussard of ESPN...

"Boston is aggressively shopping Rondo, according to sources. The Celtics find Rondo’s personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers continue. With the Celtics having realized they are no longer title contenders, they don’t believe the payoff is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him."

Example, at a filming session with the team, Rondo lost it and threw a bottle of water through the video screen. This is just one of several incidents. Do we really want to trade one of our best players for a player that despite his talents and youth, Boston wants no part of. Sorry, I'm going to pass....

I don't know. I've often felt I wanted to throw a beverage through my TV set when I'm watching Kings games. If we could film Rondo throwing a beverage through the video screen we could all get vicarious pleasure out of that from time to time. I wonder how many backup video screens the Kings have?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

According to hoopsrumor...

On STR, someone suggested a proposal of



I kind of like the idea of a Pierce/Rondo/Cousins trio...If people can keep the pettiness and sarcastic remarks aside, does this trade hold any merit in their minds?

Personally, I'd like to see Salmons in place of Whiteside or Jimmer, but we know he doesn't hold any value.

pierce is like 35 yrs old. how much longer can he play for us? this move means we are going for the championship within 2-3 yrs.

we'd be giving up the farm for a small window. boston would be stupid not to do the trade. i don't see how it benefits sac..

 

[UK_King]

Pierce would be fun to see if he was expiring, and we were at the 8th seed level. But he has 2 or 3 years left on a huge contract and he's 34.

 

[upinsmoke]

I'm pretty sure Petrie thought this would be the guy:

Maybe he still can be.

Maybe, the kid still has to adjust to the pro game but he is fundamentally sound. IMO he needs to get some PT bringing the ball up court especially in the half court set and attend a PG camp this summer.

 

[Spike]

Maybe, the kid still has to adjust to the pro game but he is fundamentally sound. IMO he needs to get some PT bringing the ball up court especially in the half court set and attend a PG camp this summer.

Anything's possible. Just as I'm not ready to give up on 22 year old Evans, I'm not even CLOSE to thinking Jimmer is a bust. I tend to look at things in the long term. He is a fundamentally sound shooter, and should he improve over the summer (which I bet he will, knowing how this year has gone), a backcourt of Evans and Fredette isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

 

[bajaden]

Anything's possible. Just as I'm not ready to give up on 22 year old Evans, I'm not even CLOSE to thinking Jimmer is a bust. I tend to look at things in the long term. He is a fundamentally sound shooter, and should he improve over the summer (which I bet he will, knowing how this year has gone), a backcourt of Evans and Fredette isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

That pullup jumper you've seen from Jimmer the last two games, is what I saw for two years at BYU. Just give this kid some time and some minutes when possible, and you'll be rewarded. His defense is improvinig, and he's starting to get more aggressive on offense. To be honest, he's about where I thought he would be at this point, and he's probably gotten more minutes than I thought he would. It just takes time and adjustment, but he's finding his way.

 

[upinsmoke]

There was a stretch of games when Jimmer looked so lost and even lost his J somehow, but he is slowly pulling it together. No matter if your for or against this trade I don't GP makes the trade even if Boston has the deal on the table. For what its worth I don't bealive this lineup is going to last to long once a viable SF who can spread the floor is acquired. Once that happens it can free Evans to play in a role he is more comfortable with.