I agree. I'm no Artest fan. I've wanted him traded since he's been here, but since he specifically mentioned reading this kind of stuff "on the blogs" I've laid off using nasty language to describe him. People are going to say this kind of stuff no matter what, but that doesn't mean I have to agree or participate. To be clear, I absolutely want Artest on another team. I have major, major problems with his behavior both before and after he came to Sacramento. But I recognize that he is a human being and should be treated as such.
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I'm still the Ron Artest fan I was when he first came here. I don't care if the guy has done a million crazy things, every team needs a guy like that. It helps with motivation, if we had this team with no Artest we would have no leader no mentor to younger teamates. Ron has the most pride of any player I have seen in a Kings jersey Why should we care what he says or does offcourt? It's his life, I'm pretty sure he can live it the way he wants. I mean I can understand getting mad at Brad if it affects his season, but what has Artest done that is going to affect his season and his game. Artest could have killed a guy once for all I care, but he still one of the best if not the best defender in this league.
I'm not sure why everybody decides to hate on him now. Give the guy a break, he's trying to make the offseason more interesting. If he were to keep his mouth shut what would we have to talk about on this site.
In my opinion Ron Artest is a top 20 player, and I have a feeling that he could only get better. In the near future I would not be surprised if we see him in an All Star uniform. We the fans need to embrace the fact that we have a player with such tenasity as Ron. He is our Kevin Garnett.
All these trade talks are RIDICULOUS Ron artest is better then the likes of Lamar Odom,David Lee,expiring contracts ect. We cannot trade Artest period he is the BEST player on this team. We need Artest plain and simple. I can see the direction the Maloofs are heading in, with these signings and tsubpar MLE these rebuilding trades, but I have a gut feeling that we are going to see Ron Artest in a Kings jersey for a long time to come.
So if I were one of you Ron Artest haters I would get used to him. (plus who would want to see him in a Laker jersy trading him to the lakers is like trading your soul to the devil)
I'm not sure why everybody decides to hate on him now. Give the guy a break, he's trying to make the offseason more interesting. If he were to keep his mouth shut what would we have to talk about on this site.
In my opinion Ron Artest is a top 20 player, and I have a feeling that he could only get better. In the near future I would not be surprised if we see him in an All Star uniform. We the fans need to embrace the fact that we have a player with such tenasity as Ron. He is our Kevin Garnett.
All these trade talks are RIDICULOUS Ron artest is better then the likes of Lamar Odom,David Lee,expiring contracts ect. We cannot trade Artest period he is the BEST player on this team. We need Artest plain and simple. I can see the direction the Maloofs are heading in, with these signings and tsubpar MLE these rebuilding trades, but I have a gut feeling that we are going to see Ron Artest in a Kings jersey for a long time to come.
So if I were one of you Ron Artest haters I would get used to him. (plus who would want to see him in a Laker jersy trading him to the lakers is like trading your soul to the devil)
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They're all human beings. And so are we...
Maybe I'm defensive but I think we moderators here do a pretty good job of keeping the more offensive stuff off the board. But message boards existent to reflect the feelings of the fans. And the fans - at least a LARGE number of them, if you follow the polls being conducted almost daily by the Bee - are fed up and venting. They may not be able to go on KHTK or have their text messages published in the BEE or their latest statement read on ESPN, but they have a right to be heard.
If Artest didn't feel the constant need to speak, none of this would be grist for the message board mill. HE could control the whole thing but he continues to go onto Dave's show, he continues to text the Bee, he continues to contact ESPN. Why is this our fault again?
Ron Artest is NOT the only player on the Kings to ever read this message board. I know of at least TWO players who were at least occasional visitors during their time with the Kings - and they didn't always read good stuff. But, did they whine about it? Nope. It may have stung, but I think most of them realize the comments aren't directed at the human being. They're directed at the player, the person wearing the uniform, the public persona they've shown to the world, good, bad or ugly.
If there's truly offensive language, people should use the "refer a post" option and one of the moderators will deal with it immediately. That stuff is NOT allowed.
In all honesty, dealing with the stuff about Ron Artest is harder to moderate than anything that has ever been on this board, up to and including the stuff during the worst of the Webber v. Peja debates.
Maybe I'm defensive but I think we moderators here do a pretty good job of keeping the more offensive stuff off the board. But message boards existent to reflect the feelings of the fans. And the fans - at least a LARGE number of them, if you follow the polls being conducted almost daily by the Bee - are fed up and venting. They may not be able to go on KHTK or have their text messages published in the BEE or their latest statement read on ESPN, but they have a right to be heard.
If Artest didn't feel the constant need to speak, none of this would be grist for the message board mill. HE could control the whole thing but he continues to go onto Dave's show, he continues to text the Bee, he continues to contact ESPN. Why is this our fault again?
Ron Artest is NOT the only player on the Kings to ever read this message board. I know of at least TWO players who were at least occasional visitors during their time with the Kings - and they didn't always read good stuff. But, did they whine about it? Nope. It may have stung, but I think most of them realize the comments aren't directed at the human being. They're directed at the player, the person wearing the uniform, the public persona they've shown to the world, good, bad or ugly.
If there's truly offensive language, people should use the "refer a post" option and one of the moderators will deal with it immediately. That stuff is NOT allowed.
In all honesty, dealing with the stuff about Ron Artest is harder to moderate than anything that has ever been on this board, up to and including the stuff during the worst of the Webber v. Peja debates.
There is an absolute mountain of things I strongly disagree with in your post. I don't have the time to have a debate, but I ask you this;
What is the point of keeping Ron just because he is our best player, when the team is going nowhere? Keeping him is pointless. It's keeping him for the sake of it.
And, no, I'm not an Artest hater. I like Artest the player (and I even like the person... well, he makes me laugh at the very least) he's talented and brings tenacity. But he is not right for this team. The experiment is over.
What is the point of keeping Ron just because he is our best player, when the team is going nowhere? Keeping him is pointless. It's keeping him for the sake of it.
And, no, I'm not an Artest hater. I like Artest the player (and I even like the person... well, he makes me laugh at the very least) he's talented and brings tenacity. But he is not right for this team. The experiment is over.
Oh good grief. You wouldn't care if Artest had killed someone as long as he's a good defender? Hello? You might want to touch base with reality, at least occasionally.
And please, knock off the "hater" crap. Artest using the term is laughable, because he's so clearly out of the loop. People using it here just adds fuel to the fire. And for the record? I don't "hate" Ron Artest. I just don't want him on the Kings. Never did, as a matter of fact.
Don't hold your breath on that gut feeling, BTW. At the most, he'll be here through the end of the 2009 season. At least, that's my sincere wish and hope.
And Ron, if you're reading this, sorry. It's just business.
And please, knock off the "hater" crap. Artest using the term is laughable, because he's so clearly out of the loop. People using it here just adds fuel to the fire. And for the record? I don't "hate" Ron Artest. I just don't want him on the Kings. Never did, as a matter of fact.
Don't hold your breath on that gut feeling, BTW. At the most, he'll be here through the end of the 2009 season. At least, that's my sincere wish and hope.
And Ron, if you're reading this, sorry. It's just business.
As a long time poster on this board I can tell you that what is allowed to be said about Ron on this board far exceeds what was allowed to be said about others. Things said negatively about Peja, Webb, and certainly Vlade would probably not have been allowed or certainly at least chastised. There definitely is a double standard with Ron here.
However, I think this may be an improvement. This board has gained a bit of freedom to discuss how we, as fans, actually feel. That said, the Ron Artest is mentally retarded talk is over the line.
However, I think this may be an improvement. This board has gained a bit of freedom to discuss how we, as fans, actually feel. That said, the Ron Artest is mentally retarded talk is over the line.
No, not a double standard so much as the realization that when someone like Ron Artest CONSTANTLY puts himself out there it's pretty tough to try and moderate the resulting comments.
As far as "the Ron Artest being mentally retarded talk" goes, I think that's overstating the situation. The references to Artest's mental state at times are some of the most difficult for us to deal with. We do not want to destroy discussion but we still do not want personal insults to become the rule of the day.
Face it. Ron Artest is unique. Always has been and always will be. And we're not the first board to have to struggle with how to handle discussions of his ... well, uniqueness.
All I can say is we try our best.
As far as "the Ron Artest being mentally retarded talk" goes, I think that's overstating the situation. The references to Artest's mental state at times are some of the most difficult for us to deal with. We do not want to destroy discussion but we still do not want personal insults to become the rule of the day.
Face it. Ron Artest is unique. Always has been and always will be. And we're not the first board to have to struggle with how to handle discussions of his ... well, uniqueness.
All I can say is we try our best.
I respect your opinion and I think you make a very good point, but we can't just get rid of Ron for nothing but expiring contracts and a project. I'm not saying we need to get a star for Ron(wich I don't see why we can't get one) it's just Ron was a big part of this franchise and so we need to get another one in return. And I just don't think we can do that. Ron may not be what our team wants, but he's what our team needs.
(and I know you won't agree with me on this either)
Um, dude?
Generally it's considered uncool to edit your post and alter some of the contents after it's been quoted by someone else. It alters the flow of the discussion AND creates confusion, etc.
Having said that, you don't know why "everyone decides to hate on him now"? Have you been living in a cave? Been blinded by the smoke of all the wildland fires?
Read all the threads. I think it's pretty obvious why people are fed up. You may not agree with their rationale, but I don't think very many people are hiding their frustrations.
Generally it's considered uncool to edit your post and alter some of the contents after it's been quoted by someone else. It alters the flow of the discussion AND creates confusion, etc.
Having said that, you don't know why "everyone decides to hate on him now"? Have you been living in a cave? Been blinded by the smoke of all the wildland fires?
Read all the threads. I think it's pretty obvious why people are fed up. You may not agree with their rationale, but I don't think very many people are hiding their frustrations.
As a remote fan of "Billy the Basketball Guy", I only know him via TV, radio or the media. Any opinion by me and most of the fans out there have no more basis of knowledge of this basketball player than those sources. Other then Carmichael Dave, who among us "knows" #93? Doubt any of us, except what we get 2nd and 3rd hand.
But when so much is written, the person being written about has to do or say something worthy of reporting and do it a lot of times. Scot Pollard was one weird dude when he played here, on the court. But we rarely heard about any of his shenanigans or hair styles in his personal world. JWill was a bit off-the-wall on and off the court, mostly on the court. CWebb we heard about a lot off the court but he was an all-star and a celebrity, no more so when he was dating Tyra. And so goes it back thru the 2-1/2 decades of the Kings in Sactown.
Ole #93 could negate the off court stuff by being a much more "team" player and not letting his ego take over games that for the most part they didn't win anyway. Sure one can be dedicated and passionate and emotional to win but at some point there is a declining return on those actions. Gotta' be smart dude.
Bottom line it is easy for us fans to jump on his actions since he puts them out there for all to see way too often. His tirades on the bench and to Coach Reggie, his "do his thing for him alone" and the apparent heck with the team (trying to play thru triple teams which never worked and killed the team), etc, etc.
Emotions and enthusiasm and desire to win are great if it is directed at the game. If any of us did to our bosses what he does to Kings staff, we'd all have been fired about the second time it happened. #93 needs to learn about that and have some consideration for the fans views. It would help him a lot. Because the name of Dennis "mad man" Rodman is starting to come up more and more now regarding #93 and that's not good.
But when so much is written, the person being written about has to do or say something worthy of reporting and do it a lot of times. Scot Pollard was one weird dude when he played here, on the court. But we rarely heard about any of his shenanigans or hair styles in his personal world. JWill was a bit off-the-wall on and off the court, mostly on the court. CWebb we heard about a lot off the court but he was an all-star and a celebrity, no more so when he was dating Tyra. And so goes it back thru the 2-1/2 decades of the Kings in Sactown.
Ole #93 could negate the off court stuff by being a much more "team" player and not letting his ego take over games that for the most part they didn't win anyway. Sure one can be dedicated and passionate and emotional to win but at some point there is a declining return on those actions. Gotta' be smart dude.
Bottom line it is easy for us fans to jump on his actions since he puts them out there for all to see way too often. His tirades on the bench and to Coach Reggie, his "do his thing for him alone" and the apparent heck with the team (trying to play thru triple teams which never worked and killed the team), etc, etc.
Emotions and enthusiasm and desire to win are great if it is directed at the game. If any of us did to our bosses what he does to Kings staff, we'd all have been fired about the second time it happened. #93 needs to learn about that and have some consideration for the fans views. It would help him a lot. Because the name of Dennis "mad man" Rodman is starting to come up more and more now regarding #93 and that's not good.
Ron was really trying to give us something to laugh at amid all the boring downtime and swirling contract controversy. I refer to him as nutty and crazy because these are terms of endearment to me, I mostly understand him and the way he acts. Some people are just frustrated by a waffling "heart on the sleeve" kind of guy.
I really liked the idea of trying to put out a lighthearted thread on the subject of Ron-Ron. But there probably wouldn't be quite so much participation had that been the sole intention of the thread, which is really what a subject board is really all about. It's cool, not mad at anybody.
Anymore name suggestions? That was starting to get funny.
I really liked the idea of trying to put out a lighthearted thread on the subject of Ron-Ron. But there probably wouldn't be quite so much participation had that been the sole intention of the thread, which is really what a subject board is really all about. It's cool, not mad at anybody.
Anymore name suggestions? That was starting to get funny.
Ron was really trying to give us something to laugh at amid all the boring downtime and swirling contract controversy. I refer to him as nutty and crazy because these are terms of endearment to me, I mostly understand him and the way he acts. Some people are just frustrated by a waffling "heart on the sleeve" kind of guy.
I really liked the idea of trying to put out a lighthearted thread on the subject of Ron-Ron. But there probably wouldn't be quite so much participation had that been the sole intention of the thread, which is really what a subject board is really all about. It's cool, not mad at anybody. Anymore name suggestions? That was starting to get funny.
I really liked the idea of trying to put out a lighthearted thread on the subject of Ron-Ron. But there probably wouldn't be quite so much participation had that been the sole intention of the thread, which is really what a subject board is really all about. It's cool, not mad at anybody.
Anymore name suggestions? That was starting to get funny.
Ron was really trying to give us something to laugh at amid all the boring downtime and swirling contract controversy. I refer to him as nutty and crazy because these are terms of endearment to me, I mostly understand him and the way he acts. Some people are just frustrated by a waffling "heart on the sleeve" kind of guy.
I really liked the idea of trying to put out a lighthearted thread on the subject of Ron-Ron. But there probably wouldn't be quite so much participation had that been the sole intention of the thread, which is really what a subject board is really all about. It's cool, not mad at anybody. Anymore name suggestions? That was starting to get funny.
I really liked the idea of trying to put out a lighthearted thread on the subject of Ron-Ron. But there probably wouldn't be quite so much participation had that been the sole intention of the thread, which is really what a subject board is really all about. It's cool, not mad at anybody.
Anymore name suggestions? That was starting to get funny.
as expected i just woke up and another post saying artest wants a trade....
the guy says he wants a trade... then the next day he will say no i will stay with the kings... THis was his tabula rasa "clean slate" and he blew it
yes hes a good person yes hes a human being yes he is entitled to this and that but lets look at this in an NBA point of view it is a business itself... if you want negative vibes to reflect a team fine, if you want to be remembered for having a player like TPFKAA (The Player Formerly Known As Artest) fine... if his antics over shadow the progress (like martin getting better again, cisco working hard, spencer etc) of other players that is where i draw the line...
his antics and behaviour will basically make us lose some fanbase.... he is a good player but its not worth all these nonsense, id rather have peja at least the guy was a class act in his own way..
all in all i am just saying this is just too much... in my point of view even if your friend, family, mother, or father... ill fire you from the company if you are causing distractions and stifling what is step towards progress: Nothing Personal, its just business
the guy says he wants a trade... then the next day he will say no i will stay with the kings... THis was his tabula rasa "clean slate" and he blew it
yes hes a good person yes hes a human being yes he is entitled to this and that but lets look at this in an NBA point of view it is a business itself... if you want negative vibes to reflect a team fine, if you want to be remembered for having a player like TPFKAA (The Player Formerly Known As Artest) fine... if his antics over shadow the progress (like martin getting better again, cisco working hard, spencer etc) of other players that is where i draw the line...
his antics and behaviour will basically make us lose some fanbase.... he is a good player but its not worth all these nonsense, id rather have peja at least the guy was a class act in his own way..
all in all i am just saying this is just too much... in my point of view even if your friend, family, mother, or father... ill fire you from the company if you are causing distractions and stifling what is step towards progress: Nothing Personal, its just business
I think this is an offensive statement to make about many former players who had a lot of personal pride and pride in wearing a Kings jersey. Secondly, I don't think Ron's pride is a benefit to the Kings. His pride is of the narcissistic kind. It keeps him from really being able to be a team player. He sees the world as a place with him at the center of it. Personally, I think he can't stand not being the center of attention. I think that's why he does a lot of the silly and foolish things he does. To bring the attention back to Ron Artest.
I don't "hate" Artest. And by all accounts he is a really nice person. He just clearly has some "issues," and I'm flat-out tired of them. I just want him gone from the Kings, so I don't have to read about it and hear about it all the time.
Uhhhhh, maybe the rest of the team could get some notice? I've given Ron all the breaks I can. It hasn't improved anything. He isn't making the offseason interesting to me, he's annoying the heck out of me.
No I don't have to embrace Ron. And if he's our Kevin Garnett, we're in more trouble than I thought.[/quote]
I don't "hate" Artest. And by all accounts he is a really nice person. He just clearly has some "issues," and I'm flat-out tired of them. I just want him gone from the Kings, so I don't have to read about it and hear about it all the time.
Uhhhhh, maybe the rest of the team could get some notice? I've given Ron all the breaks I can. It hasn't improved anything. He isn't making the offseason interesting to me, he's annoying the heck out of me.
No I don't have to embrace Ron. And if he's our Kevin Garnett, we're in more trouble than I thought.[/quote]
NO WAY NO HOW is he in a garnett tier level... artest hasnt proven anything yet... the only thing he has proven lately is that he can cause guys a lot of hassle, problems and issues with his decision making and woes... im sure glad he wasnt 6foot 4 and a point guard.... with all his decision making
how many Ron artests does it take to screw in a light bulb?
one...
but he cant make a decision of which brand to buy
how many Ron artests does it take to screw in a light bulb?
one...
but he cant make a decision of which brand to buy
He wanted PDiddy or the Prince "symbol" but when he found out those were already used and taken he needed to double up on the meds.
Me, I think the man chose the wrong stage for himself, a three ring circus would have been much more appropriate
Just imagine Ron, er Bill er Whatever running around with a clown costume and big red nose while the TA TA TADDA DA DA TA TA TADDA DA DA music played on!
Me, I think the man chose the wrong stage for himself, a three ring circus would have been much more appropriate
Just imagine Ron, er Bill er Whatever running around with a clown costume and big red nose while the TA TA TADDA DA DA TA TA TADDA DA DA music played on!
But you know what? I can understand Adam Jones' desire to drop his long-time nickname. It's a nickname. Had it since he was a little kid, and it's something his late mother used to call him, so there's probably a sentimental aspect to it as well. So I can understand and agree with his request. I respect that.
This latest Ron Artest movement to be called by his middle name, though? This is kind of dumb. I would leave my comments at that if we weren't talking about Ron Artest, but we are. So again, we find ourselves comparing this latest "tidbit" to his overall body of work as a professional athlete, and this only supports the previous conclusion, that he's a certifiable nut.
This latest Ron Artest movement to be called by his middle name, though? This is kind of dumb. I would leave my comments at that if we weren't talking about Ron Artest, but we are. So again, we find ourselves comparing this latest "tidbit" to his overall body of work as a professional athlete, and this only supports the previous conclusion, that he's a certifiable nut.