Rockets player shot in the leg
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deekay2o9
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http://www.click2houston.com/sports/18948362/detail.html
Rockets player Cal Landry was shot late last night after getting back from NO. Apparently, he was just getting some food. Good thing he's ok.
Rockets player Cal Landry was shot late last night after getting back from NO. Apparently, he was just getting some food. Good thing he's ok.
Nothing good happens at 4am.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
from a purely selfish standpoint I am very glad Phoenix has gone in the tank -- Rick has as usual done a magnificent job of holding that team together through all the injuries, trades, and turmoil, but you can only lose so many guys before you are going to start to slip, and Landry is a key energy guy off the bench.
No, it wasn't blatant stupidity (he wasn't involved in a bar fight at a strip club, throwing thousands of dollars into the air, for instance). But it was ill-advised, and well, stupid, for him to be out at 4:30 in the morning, probably driving his flashy car around. I'm assuming.
There are conflicting reports, though. Some say it was 1:30am, some say 4:30am. I'm not saying Landry is at fault, because both reports say it was a random act of violence. I just hope these guys get the point that bad things are exponentially more likely to happen to/around them, the later at night it is. They are already targets (there have been a lot of celebrities/athletes attacked in the past few months), and should be even more careful than usual because of that.
the time difference sounds like a time-zone thing (3 hours).
Wow. Talk about leaping off assumption cliff and landing in conclusion pond without any kind of basis in fact.
The article didn't say he was out partying; in fact, unless I missed something, it said he was getting something to eat after the team got back from New Orleans.
So where's the irresponsible action there?
Sorry, Supes, but I think you're out of line.
I thought so at first, too, but this happened in Houston, right? Houston isn't three hours different from anywhere in the US. That could be the issue, but who knows...
kingsnation
All-Star
Wow, Well glad he is ok!
Wow. Talk about leaping off assumption cliff and landing in conclusion pond without any kind of basis in fact.
The article didn't say he was out partying; in fact, unless I missed something, it said he was getting something to eat after the team got back from New Orleans.
So where's the irresponsible action there?
Sorry, Supes, but I think you're out of line.
I didn't say he was out partying, either. I didn't even insinuate that. I specifically said that he was NOT out pulling a Pacman Jones.
I think that most people would think twice about leaving the house at 4 in the morning (assuming that report is correct) to go get something to eat.
I am assuming that he was driving a flashy car (I don't think that's a wild assumption, do you?), and perhaps that's wrong of me.
But considering how many celebrities and athletes have been attacked, had their homes invaded, etc., in the past year, you would think that, at some point, these guys would realize that the world is not a safe place for them. And with the rough economy, crime rates are going up in even the best neighborhoods. So why would you leave the house, by yourself, in the middle of the night?
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, the team had just got back from New Orleans, so maybe he didn't have any food in the house. Maybe there was no food delivery service that he could use to have some food brought to the house. Maybe he was starving and couldn't wait two or three hours for the sun to come up. Maybe there was no other alternative. But I doubt that, very much, because I have NEVER had to leave the house at 4 in the morning to go get something to eat.
All I'm saying is that I think his decision shows an error in judgment on his part, and I hope that all these young, rich guys (athletes, celebrities, etc.) learn, quickly, that they can't just do whatever they want to do without regard for safety and common sense.
I don't think I'm out of line at all. I'm concerned.
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I just guess we'll have to agree that we see this differently. You're assuming things I just don't think should necessarily be automatically thrown into equations.
Landry wasn't doing anything wrong per se. I've seen Kings players out very late at night getting something to eat because they had just gotten off the plane and were too keyed up to go straight home and to sleep. That in and of itself doesn't make them guilty of errors in judgment. It makes them hungry and not in the mood to take the time to actually cook.
Why would he leave the house in the middle of the night by himself? Has it really come to that? Should all professional athletes be so afraid of what's waiting for them out in the dark that they just cower in their homes?
Landry was a victim but I don't think he brought it on himself. **** happens.
Landry wasn't doing anything wrong per se. I've seen Kings players out very late at night getting something to eat because they had just gotten off the plane and were too keyed up to go straight home and to sleep. That in and of itself doesn't make them guilty of errors in judgment. It makes them hungry and not in the mood to take the time to actually cook.
Why would he leave the house in the middle of the night by himself? Has it really come to that? Should all professional athletes be so afraid of what's waiting for them out in the dark that they just cower in their homes?
Landry was a victim but I don't think he brought it on himself. **** happens.
Okay, here's the deal:
The team didn't leave New Orleans for probably two hours after the game. Once they got back to Houston, they most likely were taken by bus back to their arena where their cars would have been waiting. Thus, it would easily have been understandable why he was out at that time of the night/morning. AND I think it's pretty clear he was most likely stopping on the way home - not leaving from his home as you assumed.
So he decided to stop at a Taco Bell or something on the way home and he was the victim of a random act of violence on the way there. I just do not see where he did anything wrong. Now if further details emerge that indicate he was driving recklessly, flipped someone off, or did something else to precipitate some kind of retaliatory road rage, that would be different but it certainly doesn't sound that way...
The team didn't leave New Orleans for probably two hours after the game. Once they got back to Houston, they most likely were taken by bus back to their arena where their cars would have been waiting. Thus, it would easily have been understandable why he was out at that time of the night/morning. AND I think it's pretty clear he was most likely stopping on the way home - not leaving from his home as you assumed.
So he decided to stop at a Taco Bell or something on the way home and he was the victim of a random act of violence on the way there. I just do not see where he did anything wrong. Now if further details emerge that indicate he was driving recklessly, flipped someone off, or did something else to precipitate some kind of retaliatory road rage, that would be different but it certainly doesn't sound that way...
I've never left the house at 4 in the morning to get something to eat. Have you? If so, did you feel safe?
You tell me:
NFLers say: 'We are targets'
Mendenhall robbed at gunpoint, 2am
Giants WR Smith robbed at gunpoint by driver
Chiefs CB robbed at gunpoint, 4:45am
Eddy Curry robbed at gunpoint
Antoine Walker robbed at gunpoint
More **** happens at 4 in the morning.
Elise10
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The time difference is when it happened vs. when the authorities were notified.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9345928/Rockets-F-shot-in-leg-after-he-was-rear-ended
According to that report above, Carl's car got hit twice, he gets out the car to inspect the damage (which I think anyone would have done), gets shot at twice with one hitting him in the leg.
I'm not saying he did anything wrong, or was at fault. I'm not saying he escalated the situation.
I'm saying that he put himself in danger by being out so late, and that I hope he comes to understand -- him and others like him -- that he is a target and should do whatever he can to protect himself. It's a bit myopic to assume that going out at 4 in the morning, for anything, isn't a dangerous proposition.
So, according to your link, it happened at 2:30am.
Elise10
Starter
Different from 4am, yes.
Elise10
Starter
Ordinarily I would agree, but in this case I don't think he was the target because he was an athlete. More or less the thugs that were in the other were looking for trouble regardless whether it was Carl Landry or any other person driving an over-priced car.
Perhaps so, but it was still the middle of the night.
He didn't "go out at 4 in the morning." He was actually heading HOME from the arena after picking up his car after returning to Houston from New Orleans. He decided to pick up something to eat on his way home. If that's putting himself in danger by being out so late, then I guess all players are just going to have to cower in the practice facility until broad daylight?
I just don't see how you're drawing the conclusion that he put himself in danger and should do whatever he can to protect himself. What, and I'm really trying to understand your point of view, should he and other players do differently? If anything, the only thing he actually did wrong was to get out of his car to inspect the damage of a minor traffic collision and I cannot imagine being so afraid of your surroundings that you - or me or anyone else for that matter - wouldn't have done the exact same thing.
This could just have easily have been Joe Citizen of Houston. It only became news because it was Carl Landry, NOT because he was doing something to create some kind of dangerous scenario that might have logically led to this kind of random violence.
You're still missing the most important point. He didn't get up from his home, decide to go out at 4 in the morning and get something to eat.
He was ON HIS WAY HOME after a very long day.
1. The Houston Rockets play the New Orleans Hornets IN NEW ORLEANS.
2. The Rockets leave the New Orleans facility and head to the airport.
3. The Rockets board a plane and return to Houston.
4. The plane lands, the players board the bus and return to their own practice facility where their cars are parked. (Players do not drive themselves to the airport and leave their cars there for a variety of reasons.)
5. Landry gets in his car and as he's heading towards home, he decides to get something to eat.
6. He's involved in a minor traffic altercation of some kind and stops his car, getting out to inspect the damage.
7. He's shot by a couple of thugs for reasons only they and they alone could possibly imagine.
So where's the contributory negligence or stupidity on Landry's part?
Items 1-5 happen every single night in cities all over the US. Players return home after a long night, get in their cars and head home. It's often very, very late/early when they actually do so. That's just a part of road games.
I'm sorry if I'm beating a dead horse but it's just frustrating to me because I think you're reading things into the scenario that weren't there and some important information that is there that you're not seeing.
I still luv ya, though.
Elise10
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I just don't think places deliver early in the morning for the same reason what got Carl where he is now.
It's hard for me to say what he should have done, I've gone out getting something to eat at 2am before so it's not like I don't understand why he went out because I do and to me it has nothing to do with status. Just human nature of being hungry and feeding that hunger.
I'm ready to let it go. I think you're defending Carl Landry because you think I'm blaming him for what happened. You seemed to be under the impression that I was accusing him of doing something wrong.
When I read the headline this morning, I automatically thought "another athlete got shot?!" This is becoming a big problem.
I will admit, that due to the newness of the story, I didn't have my facts straight. The time of the story has been misreported by two different outlets, the first report I read said that Landry left the house at 4am, so that did color my interpretation of what happened. And I imagined him rolling through the streets of Houston in his red Escalade on 24" rims and personalized license plates.
Regardless, though, like Ronde Barber said, these guys are targets. They have a bunch of money, they flaunt it, and it's gotten a lot of them hurt, some of them killed, recently. The singer/entertainer Soulja Boy was the victim of a home invasion robbery just a couple of weeks ago. None of us have forgotten the Sean Taylor tragedy.
It would seem that, as a matter of safety and common sense, you would take precautions. I would. I'd be more conscientious. Maybe Landry went to get his car, stopped at the Taco Bell on the way home, and wound up getting mixed up in a problem that he could have never foreseen. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I just wish that he and others in his situation would be more careful and realize that they are targets. That's all.
