Respect: Do we need it?

gman23 · Aug 20, 2005

Just wanted to get away from trade rumors for a minute.

This question is a subject I think will be in the Kingsforum throughtout the 2005-2006 basketball campaign. Respect in any league is relevant to how long you have been a contender and champion. The Kings we contenders in 2002-2003 the season and were 1 game away from the NBA championship. We have had I believe respect but just a little. I figure just as the 80's Laker's, Piston's and Celtic's had respectable coaches and core players to rise up to elite status then the Kings are going to have to position themselves with that type of enviroment to achieve standing respectability. Yes, we can be a one-time wonder like 2002-2003 season, but I know we don't want that. Now I know every team regardless of the sport has its down periods and they lose respect with the current team it has, but the team name still carries the ghosts of the past champions with them and some respect. Basically, what i'm getting at is that we are probably are going to see the same disrespect from the league and commentators. Does this bother me, Hell yes, because I believe the Kings play their hearts out and we just can't seem to get over that perverbial wall called contenders ( I.E. respect).

funkykingston · Aug 20, 2005

Respect is earned.

The Sacramento Kings have never been to the NBA finals and have been on a steady decline since their best shot to do so in 2002.

So why should the rest of the nation take note of this team?

Were Sonics fans worried about a lack of respect prior to last season? If the Kings win, people will take notice. Simple.

gman23 · Aug 20, 2005

Yes, that was basically my point. But it must be continous.

HumboldtKing · Aug 20, 2005

funkykingston said:

Damn straight. We'll get that "continuous" respect once we win the thing a couple of times, and even then we need to be in the mix every year. I sure haven't had a whole lot of respect for the Celtics for a number of years because they haven't been there. The Lakers on the other hand are nearly ALWAYS there at the end. I hate 'em, but I gotta respect their ability to win.

I think the Kings have respect in the league, but not the kind that comes w/ winning championships. Hopefully that'll change this year.

PixelPusher · Aug 20, 2005

There are probably a lot of Spurs fans who think they don't get the respect that should be affforded a recent 3 time champion, because they're a boring team. Probably some Piston fans you think they're not getting enough respect because they don't have any superstars and they're all defense...

...point is, respect (from the national media) is overrated.

Rowdyone · Aug 20, 2005

I think respect is earned any number of ways by any number of people...some take longer than others to get onboard. I also think you can have respect without being in the top tier of your conference. If guys know your going to come out every night and give it your best shot, win or lose, they'll respect you for making them work hard. And while I'm disappointed that our fortunes have diminished in the last few years I still respect the team for their effort on most nights...others, when they mail it in after a long flight on the road or the second night of a back to back on the road when most people don't expect them to win, I get annoyed at when they allow athletic teams to dominate the rim and rain dunks down on our heads. But just to have a hometown team that wins 50+ games a year and goes to the playoffs consistantly is cool...but then I'm greedy, I want it all!!

VF21 · Aug 20, 2005

Respect is over-rated. AND, I think, the word itself is evolving to mean something it originally didn't denote. Respect isn't FEAR, which is what some people seem to mean.

Quite frankly, I couldn't possibly care less if the national media or other teams "respect" us. Their perception of the Kings - and decision whether or not to "respect" us - has NO bearing whatsoever on the outcome of games.

It's NOT about respect. at least not so far.

If the Kings ever fully live up to their potential and then are not given the credit due them for their accomplishments, then I'll talk about respect.

Fillmoe · Aug 20, 2005

i think i speak for everyone when i say the Kings are the least respected team in the playoffs every year!

VF21 · Aug 20, 2005

And I say "WHO CARES????" It doesn't make an iota of difference if the Kings are "respected" by outsiders or NOT.

Respect is defined as: 1. To have deferential regard for; esteem. 2. To treat with propriety or consideration. 3. To regard as inviolable; avoid intruding upon. 4. To have relation or reference to; concern.

1. I respect Chuck Yeager for his courage in all that he's done in his life.
2. I respect my grandmother's rules not to put my elbows on the table.
3. I respect my neighbor's right to privacy and do not sneak up and peak in their window.
4. In respect to age, VF21 is arguably older than dirt.

Those are definitions of the verb respect. Now, as far as the noun is concerned:

1. Regard for and appreciation of worth; honor and esteem. The retiring professor was shown respect for his years of dedicated service.
2. Demeanor or deportment indicating deference; courteous reward. In #2 above, I was showing respect for my grandmother by honoring her rules.

The remaining definitions pertain to things like paying one's respects, respect for the law, etc.

People who truly deserve respect in any shape or form do not have to whine because they're not receiving it.

loopymitch · Aug 20, 2005

I really don't care if the so-called experts respect us or not, they rarely do but we should have the respect of the other teams and players. After all we do consistently make the playoffs and we're not the Hawks.

VF21 · Aug 20, 2005

Meaning what? They should allow us to score on them at will? They should say only nice things? They should make sure to wipe their feet before entering Arco?

Sorry once again, but this whole concept of respect has become ridiculous. I'd like the national media to give the Kings a modicum of credit once in a while for how far they've come, but they don't deserve any more respect than any other NON-TITLE WINNING team thus far. I'd like members of the oppostion to be courteous in what they say about our players, but they are not obligated to do so.

When players and fans get bogged down in the whole "they don't respect us" mindset, they tend to lose sight of the real picture. It's isn't about respect. It's about results.

Dime Dropper · Aug 20, 2005

U don't need respect, u don't win championships because you're respected, u win championships with a good team, and when u win that championship, you've earned respect. Thats my opinion.

kennadog · Aug 20, 2005

Somtimes, I think people confuse attention with respect. San Antonio doesn't get as much attention media-wise, partly becasue they are a small market team, just like the Kings. San Antonio isn't a media center, just like Sacramento isn't. Detroit isn't a huge media town either. None of these cities is a huge tourist destination like Miami either. (I recently heard one broadcaster say he wanted Miami in the finals, so he could spend more time in South Beach...geesh.

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Whether we like it or not (and I hate it myself), LA and NY are the media centers of this country and they tend to be very myopic and self-absorbed. They pay most attention to what is right in their own backyard, because its easy. They really believe they are the center of the universe.

But...getting a lot of attention from the media, is not the same as getting respect. It's frustrating as all get out as a fan, to have your team receive less coverage, especially if your outside their broadcast area, but it isn't likely to change. (The media is also ga-ga over dunks to a ridiculous degree.)

kingsfannPDX · Aug 20, 2005

i don't think the league officials/referees give us much respect which might have cost us some games/calls. we are also labeled as "soft" which isn't very respectable. but i don't think any of that is going to change anytime soon. hopefully the kings won't whine as much and maybe they'll get a little more physical this year!

tubiscus · Aug 20, 2005

My only issue with "Respect" for our Kings players is limited to those who deserved an All Star nod but did not receive one.

ONEZERO · Aug 20, 2005

Here's my take on this "respect" subject.... And please do not laugh when you read this....

Yo, just forget about the respect.... Lets just show them the rest... And the rest is scoring the points down your opponents necks.... And shutting opponents down on their weak offensive attempts..... So once again forget about the respect please... And many will be paying attention closely... When we will be holding up our trophy!

IVote4Replay · Aug 21, 2005

Frankly, I kind of like the role as "the underdog."

Folsom Al · Aug 21, 2005

Respect is what I have for my parents and ALL ELDERS .... it's what I expect from my kids and expect them to have the same regard for ALL ELDERS to them.

Respect is treating your fellow human beings with decency
Respect is taking care of yourself and the world around you

To me ... whenever I see/hear/read about teams NOT GETTING THE RESPECT THEY DESERVE or saying NOBODY RESPECTS US .... wah-wah-wah .... cry me a freakin' river ....

JUST GO PLAY THE GAME .... I'm sorry, but that kinda' crap just make them sound like a bunch of cry-babies.

KingKong · Aug 21, 2005

Folsom Al said:

What about respecting one's achievments? Like what the Bulls accomplished in the 90's or the Lakers and Celtics Dynasties?

I think I would go as far as to say that eventhough the "last era" Kings never won a championship, you have to respect what they accomplished. They played a TEAM game, where other teams were running iso's for the superstar, they showed that you could win by sharing the ball, which also proved to be fun and exhilirating to watch. I think many people around the league felt the same way too at the time.

Folsom Al · Aug 21, 2005

No aruguement here ... it's all a matter of HOW EACH OF US DEFINE the word.

May I add ...

Respecting (giving positive recogniztion) an individuals/organizations/teams achievements is earned, as mentioned in this thread .... these individuals/organizations/teams did not go to the media and say "where's our props - where's the love - where's our pat-on-the-back" ???

It was voluntarily given to them .... with appreciation and over time.

Like VF eluded to ..... RESPECT is an over-rated ... AND, I think, the word itself is evolving to mean something it originally didn't denote.

iheartBrad · Aug 22, 2005

funkykingston said:

Respect is earned.

The Sacramento Kings have never been to the NBA finals and have been on a steady decline since their best shot to do so in 2002.

So why should the rest of the nation take note of this team?

Were Sonics fans worried about a lack of respect prior to last season? If the Kings win, people will take notice. Simple.

Totally agree

BibityBobtyBoom · Aug 22, 2005

i think the kings have earned respect from other players and teams but the media is another story. But are they ever satisfyed?

tyrant · Aug 25, 2005

the kings don't have to win a ring to get respect. we got respect after that record season and that 7 game series with the lakers. fans of other teams were kinda worried about facing sacramento after what we did in 02 and 03. we went downhill after that so other teams' fans brush us off and now that fear that was once in their eyes has turned to discust. we'll have to earn that back. YES. we do need respect and we must have it. it's hard to argue with other fans without a ring under the belt.

VF21 · Aug 25, 2005

tyrant said:

Oh geez.

Other teams' fans brush us off? And that's important to you why exactly? The fear in their eyes has turned to disgust?

In your first sentence you say the team doesn't have to win a ring to get respect. Then, in your last sentence, you say it's hard to argue with other fans without a ring...

Sorry, but my appreciation and love of the Sacramento Kings does not in any way, shape or form depend upon or revolve around what fans of other teams think. And last time I checked, I don't really think it made an iota of difference to the Kings, either...

Sounds like you're more worried about YOU getting respect from fans of other teams because you're a Kings fan.

Ryan · Aug 25, 2005

tyrant said:

Don't forget about 01 and 04. In both of those seasons we were one win away from taking the Pacific Division. I don’t think any team has ever brushed us off in the past five years.

tyrant · Aug 25, 2005

VF21 said:

no, it's just that i kinda get sick of people saying queens queens queens. it's gettin old. and it bothers me that people can go on and on about the elite teams and not bother to mention the capability of sacramento. people have thier own opinions about the kings, but as long as they are humble with it im cool. you can say you don't care about what people think ((key word is think)), but if they came out and talked smack about your team then that would bother you. it would bother anyone. you would defend your team.

VF21 · Aug 25, 2005

No, people talking "smack" doesn't bother me at all. Why should it? I don't go to forums where smack rules the day because it's generally the same people spouting the same nonsense over and over, simply to get other people to respond. Not much to stimulate the intellect in that...

If you are surrounded by people who constantly call the Kings the "queens," then they really need to get new material.

People have to be HUMBLE about their opinions of the Kings? Why exactly? The Kings have not won jack squat. And even if they had, it wouldn't mean people have to get down on one knee and vow fealty.

Defend my team? From what? Marauders at the gate? This is a sports team in 2005, not innocent villagers being subjected to pillaging in the middle ages.

It's interesting that your signature contains the information that you were banned from spursreport. From what I heard, you were banned because you continually showed a complete and total lack of respect for the Spurs on one of their own fan boards... Is that where you were hearing "queens, queens, queens" all the time? Sometimes what you hear is totally dependent upon where you are at the time.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Right now, the truth is that the current roster of Kings has nothing to show they're elite... or cellar dwellers ... or anything in between. They have only three players left from 2003. They have a lot of work to do and some games to win before they can logically be called contenders for anything other than the middle of the pack.

Peace.

BibityBobtyBoom · Aug 25, 2005

lol, was that a gangsta exit like "im out peace!", or like john lennon and yoko ono kind of peace?

ONEZERO · Aug 25, 2005

Queens. How can hearing that NOT pee you off? But its peoples opinions on whether it angers you or not, so its hard to argue how it can make some of us feal.

BibityBobtyBoom · Aug 25, 2005

Queens sounds like something a child would say. And i haven't heard anyone say the sacramento queens in a long time. I heard someone refer to the kings as being (female dogs) for not having what it takes to get into the finals. I was mad and thought he was stupid for picking detroit to win the championship two years ago. What sucks was that he was right. Alan paul is stupid.

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