Reke to come off the bench - or random Reke rantings

A couple thoughts:

* Do most other point guards display this ability? I should watch for outside the vision passes more often.
* Is part of passing outside of what is in front of you during half court offense a product of how well a team runs such an offense? Would you consider the Kings offense so polished that Thomas, Fredette or any other guard knows where people will be well enough to throw passes outside of their vision?
* I don't think Evans is a naturally gifted passer. So? He can improve at that skill, sure, and he may never be great, but does he have to be? What's the point of this line of discussion? If he "only" gets 5-6 assists per game from his driving ability and mediocre passing, why is that such a big deal?

Yes. IT does it consistantly, Jimmer has shown flashes, other PG's in the league do it consistantly.
Yes knowing where people are in the offense is part of running it especially for someone who's getting in the paint. But they still have to be able to make the correct pass to them.
It's only a big deal if he is running the offense full time. If IT or another future PG is running the offense it doesn't matter as much.
 
such nitpicking assumes basketball exists in a vacuum, as if these slow-motion details have any bearing on the true-motion, real world results of a given play. you claimed that tyreke evans lacks the peripheral vision necessary to make passes beyond what he sees in front of him. the very play in question is evidence to the contrary, as demarcus cousins was neither in front of tyreke nor in his immediate field of vision, and it illustrates a blossoming court vision that you just flat out refuse to acknowledge. will 'reke develop steve nash-esque eyes-in-the-back-of-his-head? no, he will not. but you're seriously reaching, at this point. you're sifting through the m&m's to find just one with a chip in its candy-coated shell, as if that's gonna be enough to defame a truly wonderful sugary treat. in other words, you're hoping for weaknesses that probably aren't there. tyreke certainly does have flaws in his game, but they're rather obvious, we've discussed them a million times over, and they're not irreparable, nor are they deficient to the point of shipping tyreke off for spare parts. you're in the desert, man. you're off looking for bible verses that disprove the existence of god. you're better off sticking to the 'reke-basher party line of "can't shoot, so trade him," honestly...

So me a post where I said we should trade him.
 
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Yes. IT does it consistantly, Jimmer has shown flashes, other PG's in the league do it consistantly.
Yes knowing where people are in the offense is part of running it especially for someone who's getting in the paint. But they still have to be able to make the correct pass to them.
It's only a big deal if he is running the offense full time. If IT or another future PG is running the offense it doesn't matter as much.
So just to clarify, your main point is that Evans shouldn't be the point guard running the offense?

Honestly I don't see why that ability is necessary for more than a few possessions a game. Certainly it would help and would be a great asset, but I don't see why the Kings can't have a potent offense with Evans as an initiator even without above average vision and passing skills.
 
So just to clarify, your main point is that Evans shouldn't be the point guard running the offense?

Honestly I don't see why that ability is necessary for more than a few possessions a game. Certainly it would help and would be a great asset, but I don't see why the Kings can't have a potent offense with Evans as an initiator even without above average vision and passing skills.
They don't. Our ball movement didn't improve by adding a pure pg in the mix setting everyone up. It happened because IT/MT, among others, became more willing passers. When everyone is a willing passer the offense flows much better. Hell, our team at the beginning of the decade, one of, if not the best passing team ever, didn't have a pure pg. But everyone on that team was willing, with our top two passers being our 4 and 5.
 
They don't. Our ball movement didn't improve by adding a pure pg in the mix setting everyone up. It happened because IT/MT, among others, became more willing passers. When everyone is a willing passer the offense flows much better. Hell, our team at the beginning of the decade, one of, if not the best passing team ever, didn't have a pure pg. But everyone on that team was willing, with our top two passers being our 4 and 5.
Honestly, I can see a hint of truth behind the accusation that Evans has a negative effect on ball movement. I just don't see him as the only reason and I think there are ways to solve that (or at least make the offense better) while still getting the other benefits he brings.
 
They don't. Our ball movement didn't improve by adding a pure pg in the mix setting everyone up. It happened because IT/MT, among others, became more willing passers. When everyone is a willing passer the offense flows much better. Hell, our team at the beginning of the decade, one of, if not the best passing team ever, didn't have a pure pg. But everyone on that team was willing, with our top two passers being our 4 and 5.

Correct, but they ran the ball up the floor and got into the offense. The ball was moving or the person with the ball was moving (bibby/Bjax) except for times when they would stand and watch Webb in the post.
 
Honestly, I can see a hint of truth behind the accusation that Evans has a negative effect on ball movement. I just don't see him as the only reason and I think there are ways to solve that (or at least make the offense better) while still getting the other benefits he brings.

He's not the only reason. Thornton does it too. The problem is when you have too many on the floor at the same time.
 
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It's better to just sink one boat than have your entire fleet take on water...
 
GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENT SECOND:

Effective immediately, this thread shall be known as the official random Reke ranting thread.

Got a complaint about Reke, post it here.
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Maybe this way we can keep any number of other threads from dissolving into the same old never-ending discussion of all things Evans.

Thanks.

he needs to shave the beard. Harden has that covered.
 
he needs to shave the beard. Harden has that covered.

Reke should adopt Section 101 as a rescue hound. At least then we'd know he was getting enough food, and his internet access was being monitored.


-- if this if more offensive/against the rules than what Section 101 just posted about Tyreke Evans, let me know.
 
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The problem with his vision is all his passes are in front of him. This pass is about the range from the sides. He misses a lot of side or back passes or if he does try the pass isn't close.

How about the pass he tried to wrap around from the corner into the post that went right to the defender? Don't think they will make a video of that one.
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We will never get equal value for Tyreke if we trade him, which is just pure nonsense in the first place. Tyreke's game is designed to be "the guy" on a playoff team. Honestly, passing and shooting is much easier to find around the league than Tyreke's ability to get to the rim and to finish there. His defense is also incredible when he commits to it, and he will once he matures and develops, especially when he is playing in big games.

Tyreke has the intangibles that will make him a star. He has that essential ISO game where he can carry a team on his back when he needs to. He has the defense to lockdown the opposite team's superstar. The only issue is that his role hasn't been defined on the team yet.

You honestly think Tyreke has been the only issue with this team's offense? He used to pound the ball a lot more in the past, sure, but he has already developed and is moving past that trait. The real development is with the team's offense. We are actually running, cutting, passing, getting open.

All you need to do is look at the team assist numbers, even in our most recent losses. Turnovers are still a problem, we don't have lockdown team defense, but offensive flow and assists are up. The assists are up even with Tyreke in the game.

This is a team development, and once Tyreke gets that jumpshot down he will be an all-star in the league, guaranteed. But if you give up on him now or try to alienate him from the team, you're making a huge mistake.

I know it is difficult when we're losing and everybody wants to point fingers, but if we trade Tyreke or destroy his development/confidence by diminishing his role, then we are setting this franchise back another couple of years.
 
We will never get equal value for Tyreke if we trade him, which is just pure nonsense in the first place. Tyreke's game is designed to be "the guy" on a playoff team. Honestly, passing and shooting is much easier to find around the league than Tyreke's ability to get to the rim and to finish there. His defense is also incredible when he commits to it, and he will once he matures and develops, especially when he is playing in big games.

Tyreke has the intangibles that will make him a star. He has that essential ISO game where he can carry a team on his back when he needs to. He has the defense to lockdown the opposite team's superstar. The only issue is that his role hasn't been defined on the team yet.

You honestly think Tyreke has been the only issue with this team's offense? He used to pound the ball a lot more in the past, sure, but he has already developed and is moving past that trait. The real development is with the team's offense. We are actually running, cutting, passing, getting open.

All you need to do is look at the team assist numbers, even in our most recent losses. Turnovers are still a problem, we don't have lockdown team defense, but offensive flow and assists are up. The assists are up even with Tyreke in the game.

This is a team development, and once Tyreke gets that jumpshot down he will be an all-star in the league, guaranteed. But if you give up on him now or try to alienate him from the team, you're making a huge mistake.

I know it is difficult when we're losing and everybody wants to point fingers, but if we trade Tyreke or destroy his development/confidence by diminishing his role, then we are setting this franchise back another couple of years.

Look no further than Portland. Portland with Brandon Roy=contender, dangerous Portland w/o Roy= Sad, not that threatening, and ultimately not all that good right now
 
Look no further than Portland. Portland with Brandon Roy=contender, dangerous Portland w/o Roy= Sad, not that threatening, and ultimately not all that good right now

To be fair, they aren't a threat because they weren't able to get anything in return.
 
If Tyreke volunteered to come off the bench, it shows how uncomfortable he is with being a SF. His long term career is not at SF so why waste time playing the position? It also is a signal that he would like to get the hell out of Sacramento. Perhaps I am reading too much into this but it is one way of looking at the situation.

Ahh. I thought Tyreke's gesture was magnanimous, a selfless gesture to help the team. You're reading it as more of a passive agressive gesture, that if he's taking his ball and going to the bench. I choose to think it's the former. His play in the last game was pretty good, not what I would expect from someone sulking about their role on the team.
 
to suggest that isaiah thomas outplays tyreke evans for a spot among the kings' "core" is so goddamned funny that i nearly spit my leftover pasta out all over my laptop keyboard. if damaged, that's an expensive repair. be careful where you debut such comedy...

in other news, i think the mods should start a sub-forum within the "kings rap" section for this kinda ****. call it "irrational bashing, asinine ideas, etc." stuff these million threads into it so that much more salient discussion remains highlighted, rather than these unfortunate trollfests...

Isaiah Thomas has outplayed Tyreke Evans at the point guard position. His play is integral to the Kings. Not peripheral. Central. If someone wants to compare the players, that's like comparing a point guard to a two guard or a three guard. All the colorful adjectives don't suggest anything otherwise.
 
Brandon Roy >>>>> Tyreke Evans.

DMC >>>>>>> LaMarcus Aldridge

Tyreke Evans doesn't have to be the next Wade or Rose or LBJ for us to win. It would be awesome if he becomes even nearly as good as them, but even if he's just as good as Ginobili or Tony Parker even we'll already stand a decent chance to go deep in the playoffs with DMC.
 
GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENT SECOND:

Effective immediately, this thread shall be known as the official random Reke ranting thread.

Got a complaint about Reke, post it here.
Think Reke should be traded, post it here.
Believe Reke ran over your dog or stole your dinner, post it here.

Maybe this way we can keep any number of other threads from dissolving into the same old never-ending discussion of all things Evans.

Thanks.

I thought we were going to let his history of wreckless driving go. LOL
 
Teams with losing records always have grousing fans with 1,000 answers to what is wrong. I say the topic should be the last 3 games and what the Kings are doing right.
 
Lol trading Evans will be one of the worst moves this franchise can make. I mean the guy is a jump shot away from being an all star, he has elite talent at taking the ball to the rim. That type of abilities doesn't come along every draft. That's the type of ability that teams pray that had when the games close and the jump shots aren't falling.

I really hope that some fans arn't really thinking about trading a guy cause we are winning games with nothing to play for with John Salmons and a 4 foot pg. I love IT but he is NOT the pg of the future.

Why not?
 
It doesn't matter how well you play...it's the height that define the future. ;)

That is why IT is not the PG of the future.
 
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