Reke to come off the bench - or random Reke rantings

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

in other news, i think the mods should start a sub-forum within the "kings rap" section for this kinda ****. call it "irrational bashing, asinine ideas, etc." stuff these million threads into it so that much more salient discussion remains highlighted, rather than these unfortunate trollfests...

Interesting idea, but have you met me? On a bad day, I might well dump everything I disagree with into the irrational thread.

Except for the times when we do something to try and control this sort of thing, and are accused of over-moderation and Gestapo-esque behavior.

Gotta love this job. At least the pay is... wait, what?

 

[Glenn]

Except for the times when we do something to try and control this sort of thing, and are accused of over-moderation and Gestapo-esque behavior.

Gotta love this job. At least the pay is... wait, what?

You are not hearing any criticism from me. Also, consider the source of the people complaining.

 

[rainmaker]

The truth of the matter, is that Tyreke Evans is none of the above. What Tyreke Evans "is", is a great basketball player, that doesn't really fit either guard spot or the small forward spot. He's still a great basketball player, with an exceptional gift to drive to the basket and contort his legs and hips in every which way to make a spectacular layup.

That's the one thing that I will give Reke. Dude has his knees, thighs, calfs, feet, etc, etc, flying every which way as he tosses in a layup. How many times do you see a picture of dude on the front cover of the Sports section with his legs kicking way out into the air as he's scooping in a layup? Tons of times. He's great at that. Maybe one of the 5 best players at driving to the hole in the entire league. If you consider his size, he's definitely one of the 3 best non-midgets in the NBA at driving to the basket. He's a solid defender, although you would expect him to average a bit more steals than he does. What happened to his steals? His rookie year, wasn't he like top 6 or 7 in the NBA in steals?


Anyways, look, the guy has talent, I'm not trying to say he's worthless. He was the 4th overall pick in a draft in the draft. I just don't think he's a good fit for our particular team. I'm not sure if the Front Office has come to the same conclusion as I have, but if they have, then their best coarse of action is to try to use the remainder of the season to best showcase his talents, so that they can reap the maximum return possible for their investment in him. If you know deep down in your heart that it's just not going to work out, then make the tough decision to move on, and look to the future. If the decision is made that Reke doesn't really fit into our long term strategy, playing him at SF or bringing him off the bench isn't going to help anything. It will deflate his trade value, and won't help our team. We are better off having a legitimate SF play the position of SF. Playing Reke as our 6th man does nothing but diminish his trade value. Nobody is going to give up serious talent for a guy that can't even find his way into your own starting lineup.

Yes, what is up with his layups....

When will he learn to pass? Such poor vision....

But, this is Reke's response to the haters....

Oh, btw, you're not invited to their party.

 

[xyrin]

Anthony1: When everybody disagrees with you, you might want to put on your thinking cap and consider that you MIGHT be absolutely wrong.

And I'll clue you in, in case that doesn't help enough: You're wrong.

You don't trade Tyreke. You just don't.

 

[Anthony1]

Anthony1: When everybody disagrees with you, you might want to put on your thinking cap and consider that you MIGHT be absolutely wrong.

And I'll clue you in, in case that doesn't help enough: You're wrong.

You don't trade Tyreke. You just don't.

Ok, so you don't trade him. Instead you play him at Small Forward, a position to which he isn't well suited? Or you bring him off the bench behind Thomas or Thornton? Bringing him off the bench behind Thomas and Thornton is a great idea, if... this was a miscellaneous player on your team, and not a guy drafted with the 4th overall pick, expected to be the face of the franchise.

 

[jpsls]

. Playing Reke as our 6th man does nothing but diminish his trade value. Nobody is going to give up serious talent for a guy that can't even find his way into your own starting lineup.

You're saying you wouldn't give up serious talent for James Harden?

 

[Glenn]

Hmmmm.....On the other hand, just call me an immature 61 year-old.

You are an immature 61 year-old. 4th oldest on the forum, as a matter of fact.

 

[Section 101]

When will he learn to pass? Such poor vision....

The problem with his vision is all his passes are in front of him. This pass is about the range from the sides. He misses a lot of side or back passes or if he does try the pass isn't close.

How about the pass he tried to wrap around from the corner into the post that went right to the defender? Don't think they will make a video of that one.

 

[Bricklayer]

How about the pass he tried to wrap around from the corner into the post that went right to the defender? Don't think they will make a video of that one.

You posts on Reke are relentlessly ridiculous.

 

[Padrino]

The problem with his vision is all his passes are in front of him. This pass is about the range from the sides. He misses a lot of side or back passes or if he does try the pass isn't close.

How about the pass he tried to wrap around from the corner into the post that went right to the defender? Don't think they will make a video of that one.

a guard in the nba made a bad pass?!?!!!?!?!

dear god, man!!!!!

where's my bomb shelter!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bricklayer]

a guard in the nba made a bad pass?!?!!!?!?!

dear god, man!!!!!

where's my bomb shelter!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That loser couldn't even see what was right in front of him, let alone something behind his head.

 

[Glenn]

The problem with his vision is all his passes are in front of him. This pass is about the range from the sides. He misses a lot of side or back passes or if he does try the pass isn't close.

How about the pass he tried to wrap around from the corner into the post that went right to the defender? Don't think they will make a video of that one.

Do you watch any of the other 12 players that suit up so closely? This is getting weird.

 

[rainmaker]

The problem with his vision is all his passes are in front of him. This pass is about the range from the sides. He misses a lot of side or back passes or if he does try the pass isn't close.

How about the pass he tried to wrap around from the corner into the post that went right to the defender? Don't think they will make a video of that one.

You picking out a pass, a poor pass, and implying that is why he can't pass is beyond ridiculous. That's like someone posting a video of MT's brick at the end of the 3rd last night, and saying therefor he can't shoot. Or if someone shows a highlight of him hitting 3's, you coming along and bringing up the brick, and saying I bet no one will make a video of that one.

But of course, Reke's mistakes are the only ones you see. By the sound of it, no wonder Reke's jumper hasn't come together quicker. He's too busy sleeping with the wives/gf's of half the fanbase.

 

[Anthony1]

You're saying you wouldn't give up serious talent for James Harden?

Hmmm. That's an interesting comparison, considering they were drafted in the same draft, and Harden actually went one spot ahead of Reke.... right? Still, normally GM's won't trade premium pieces for a guy that doesn't even start on his own team. There are exceptions to everything, but in generalities, it's not normal.

 

[Glenn]

If Tyreke volunteered to come off the bench, it shows how uncomfortable he is with being a SF. His long term career is not at SF so why waste time playing the position? It also is a signal that he would like to get the hell out of Sacramento. Perhaps I am reading too much into this but it is one way of looking at the situation.

 

[rainmaker]

Except for the times when we do something to try and control this sort of thing, and are accused of over-moderation and Gestapo-esque behavior.

Gotta love this job. At least the pay is... wait, what?

A number of us are appreciative of what the MOD's do. Part of the reason why the number of contributors is up.

 

[Section 101]

Do you watch any of the other 12 players that suit up so closely? This is getting weird.

yes.

 

[rainmaker]

If Tyreke volunteered to come off the bench, it shows how uncomfortable he is with being a SF. His long term career is not at SF so why waste time playing the position? It also is a signal that he would like to get the hell out of Sacramento. Perhaps I am reading too much into this but it is one way of looking at the situation.

I see as the opposite, actually. If he didn't care about being here long term and getting along with the guys, and having their respect, he wouldn't have done such a selfless thing. If you don't want to be here, much easier to say either put me back at guard or ship me out. Now, once the season is over, I fully expect he and his agent to sit down with Petrie/Smart.

 

[Section 101]

You picking out a pass, a poor pass, and implying that is why he can't pass is beyond ridiculous. That's like someone posting a video of MT's brick at the end of the 3rd last night, and saying therefor he can't shoot. Or if someone shows a highlight of him hitting 3's, you coming along and bringing up the brick, and saying I bet no one will make a video of that one.

But of course, Reke's mistakes are the only ones you see. By the sound of it, no wonder Reke's jumper hasn't come together quicker. He's too busy sleeping with the wives/gf's of half the fanbase.

No. I'm pointing out the passes that require peripheral vision he can't make and gave you an example. Yes he can pass, but only when the play is in front of him.

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

Lol trading Evans will be one of the worst moves this franchise can make. I mean the guy is a jump shot away from being an all star, he has elite talent at taking the ball to the rim. That type of abilities doesn't come along every draft. That's the type of ability that teams pray that had when the games close and the jump shots aren't falling.

I really hope that some fans arn't really thinking about trading a guy cause we are winning games with nothing to play for with John Salmons and a 4 foot pg. I love IT but he is NOT the pg of the future.

 

[rainmaker]

No. I'm pointing out the passes that require peripheral vision he can't make and gave you an example. Yes he can pass, but only when the play is in front of him.

With about 2 mins left, he drove hard from the right wing, entire defense collapsed on him near the box, paint was packed, and he made a perfect pass through the congestion to a wide open IT spotted up across the court on the left wing. IT missed, but it was a great pass. Not sure how much farther behind the play IT could have gotten unless you want Reke setting him up for halfcourt shots.

 

[Padrino]

No. I'm pointing out the passes that require peripheral vision he can't make and gave you an example. Yes he can pass, but only when the play is in front of him.

you are aware that the posted .gif featured tyreke passing from his periphery, correct? demarcus was behind him on that play. you say that he can't, yet there is evidence to the contrary in this very thread. with you, its like pointing out that the world is round to someone who's convinced they're standing at the edge of it...

 

[Section 101]

you are aware that the posted .gif featured tyreke passing from his periphery, correct? demarcus was behind him on that play. you say that he can't, yet there is evidence to the contrary in this very thread. with you, its like pointing out that the world is round to someone who's convinced they're standing at the edge of it...

In that play I'm just out of the frame on the bottom. Watch closer, Evans squares to go across the lane. The pass is about a 45 degree angle. Just saying, watch his future passes and the passes he misses where he has a trailer on the break or someone wide open to HIS side.

 

[ParniValjak]

The best case scenario for Tyreke Evans and the Sacramento Kings (IMHO) is that we are able to trade him away during the Summer, possibly on draft day, or after the draft, and get something SIGNIFICANT in return.

Think about it... For Tyreke to have decent value in trade, he has to get back to putting up some nice numbers as a starter. As well as IT is playing, Reke needs to get back to starting at point guard, and every effort needs to be made at giving him as many opportunities as possible to get his stats up. We need there to be as many headlines as possible talking about Tyreke scoring 26 points, or whatever, so that his value around the league can get back to a decent level. This guy was the 4th overall pick in the draft.

If we make it known to the NBA that Tyreke just doesn't fit our system (which is true), that doesn't really help us this summer when we need to deal him away. Even if putting Tyreke back as the starter means we start losing a ton of games, it must be done. We need to give him MAXIMUM minutes, and MAXIMUM stats. There are only so many weeks left in this shortened NBA season. Petrie needs to talk with Smart, and explain the big picture.


We now have a point guard of the future in IT (or at least a decent PG to roll with for a few years). We have an outstanding SG in Marcus Thornton, who is signed to a nice 5 year contract. We have our franchise guy, Cousins. Those are the 3 pieces that we need to build everything else around. Tyreke is the odd guy out, but still, we can't trade him away for peanuts. We need to trade him for something substantial, and the only way that is going to happen, is if he gets back into the lineup as the starting point guard, and our coaching staff does everything in their ability to inflate his stats for the remainder of the season. Talk with your key 3 players (IT, Cousins and Thornton) privately, and explain to them the strategy.

Heck, sit down with Reke and explain it to him. Tell him, "Look, we know that you are a very talented player, and we were very happy to select you with the 4th overall pick. We've decided that playing Thomas at point guard, with Thornton in the backcourt, makes the most sense for us, and playing you at SF is unfair to you. We don't think you really fit with out team, and we know you are too talented to be used in the 6th man role. We will take the rest of this season to try to showcase your talents as much as possible. We will explore trading you in the summer, but wish you all the best!"


lol


Seriously though..... We need to get this guy in the starting lineup, and inflate his statistics as much as humanly possible. Yes, we will likely loose more games than we would have, but we aren't making the playoffs anyways. What's the point in winning a bunch of these games down the stretch, if you have no shot at a playoff spot? We need to recognize the situation, and plan accordingly. Trading Tyreke this summer would make a lot of sense (assuming our FO has come to the same conclusions that I have about Tyreke just not fitting into our team concept). But we don't want to trade him when his value is at the lowest possible level. Yet, with all these new philosophies about Tyreke, we are just killing dudes value league wide.


At this point, we'd be lucky to trade Reke for a late lottery pick. If that.

Keep dreaming boy and living in the fantasy land but Tyreke will not get traded even though you would love nothing more but to see it happen.

FACT: Tyreke is 2nd best player on this team and arguably, and I mean arguably best player. His game is built for play off basketball where the run and gun is just wishful thinking. He is a 2 way player which cannot be said for majority of the roster.

Tyreke will start soon as he bloody should. Like Bricklayer correctly pointed out, once you start playing the OKCs and SAs of this world, you 2nd best player starts and plays major minutes. Anyone thinking any differently is just living in a fantasy land. It was a nice gesture by Tyreke and it shuts up all the members of "Tyreke is selfish" brigade, but when its all said and done, he is a starter and a high quality starter in this league.

 

[uolj]

In that play I'm just out of the frame on the bottom. Watch closer, Evans squares to go across the lane. The pass is about a 45 degree angle. Just saying, watch his future passes and the passes he misses where he has a trailer on the break or someone wide open to HIS side.

A couple thoughts:

* Do most other point guards display this ability? I should watch for outside the vision passes more often.
* Is part of passing outside of what is in front of you during half court offense a product of how well a team runs such an offense? Would you consider the Kings offense so polished that Thomas, Fredette or any other guard knows where people will be well enough to throw passes outside of their vision?
* I don't think Evans is a naturally gifted passer. So? He can improve at that skill, sure, and he may never be great, but does he have to be? What's the point of this line of discussion? If he "only" gets 5-6 assists per game from his driving ability and mediocre passing, why is that such a big deal?

 

[Tetsujin]

A couple thoughts:

* Do most other point guards display this ability? I should watch for outside the vision passes more often.
* Is part of passing outside of what is in front of you during half court offense a product of how well a team runs such an offense? Would you consider the Kings offense so polished that Thomas, Fredette or any other guard knows where people will be well enough to throw passes outside of their vision?
* I don't think Evans is a naturally gifted passer. So? He can improve at that skill, sure, and he may never be great, but does he have to be? What's the point of this line of discussion? If he "only" gets 5-6 assists per game from his driving ability and mediocre passing, why is that such a big deal?

Becuse anything less than a triple-double season is an abject failure.

 

[Padrino]

In that play I'm just out of the frame on the bottom. Watch closer, Evans squares to go across the lane. The pass is about a 45 degree angle. Just saying, watch his future passes and the passes he misses where he has a trailer on the break or someone wide open to HIS side.

such nitpicking assumes basketball exists in a vacuum, as if these slow-motion details have any bearing on the true-motion, real world results of a given play. you claimed that tyreke evans lacks the peripheral vision necessary to make passes beyond what he sees in front of him. the very play in question is evidence to the contrary, as demarcus cousins was neither in front of tyreke nor in his immediate field of vision, and it illustrates a blossoming court vision that you just flat out refuse to acknowledge. will 'reke develop steve nash-esque eyes-in-the-back-of-his-head? no, he will not. but you're seriously reaching, at this point. you're sifting through the m&m's to find just one with a chip in its candy-coated shell, as if that's gonna be enough to defame a truly wonderful sugary treat. in other words, you're hoping for weaknesses that probably aren't there. tyreke certainly does have flaws in his game, but they're rather obvious, we've discussed them a million times over, and they're not irreparable, nor are they deficient to the point of shipping tyreke off for spare parts. you're in the desert, man. you're off looking for bible verses that disprove the existence of god. you're better off sticking to the 'reke-basher party line of "can't shoot, so trade him," honestly...

 

[Mass]

Can someone please explain me why there are so many so called Kings fans who would like to trade one of our 2 best players? Why can't people understand the talent we already have in our team and in our players? I guess it's true what they say, the grass is always greener on the other side.

Tyreke can't do this, Tyreke can't do that. Do you think there are so many perfect players out there, especially at his age? I bet my house, my car and all my money that if we had Rondo instead of Reke, we would have all the people here complaining that he can't shoot, he has a bad attitude and so on. And there are a lot of people here willing to trade Reke for Rondo right now. The fact is that all the players from the other teams look better, because we don't see them every night, 48 minutes per game. We don't see all the problems they have and the mistakes they make. Our players are not the only ones who make mistakes. Everybody does. We have the luxury to have two great young players to build our team around. Ask how many GMs would like to have Reke and Cousins. I think you'll be surprised. I can't believe people can be so blind. Enjoy what we have. 3 years ago we won 17 games, we had nothing to be optimistic about. Last year this team was gone. Now it's here, it's going to be here, we have great young players and they are starting to grow and play better together, and yet we find a way to complain. I really don't understand, sorry.

 

[uolj]

Can someone please explain me why there are so many so called Kings fans who would like to trade one of our 2 best players? Why can't people understand the talent we already have in our team and in our players? I guess it's true what they say, the grass is always greener on the other side.

Well, there aren't that many. I think it was 97% of respondents here said Cousins was part of the core, and 75% had Evans as part of the core. So 3 out of 4 fans thinking those two are part of the core is pretty high.

 

[Padrino]

Can someone please explain me why there are so many so called Kings fans who would like to trade one of our 2 best players? Why can't people understand the talent we already have in our team and in our players? I guess it's true what they say, the grass is always greener on the other side.

Tyreke can't do this, Tyreke can't do that. Do you think there are so many perfect players out there, especially at his age? I bet my house, my car and all my money that if we had Rondo instead of Reke, we would have all the people here complaining that he can't shoot, he has a bad attitude and so on. And there are a lot of people here willing to trade Reke for Rondo right now. The fact is that all the players from the other teams look better, because we don't see them every night, 48 minutes per game. We don't see all the problems they have and the mistakes they make. Our players are not the only ones who make mistakes. Everybody does. We have the luxury to have two great young players to build our team around. Ask how many GMs would like to have Reke and Cousins. I think you'll be surprised. I can't believe people can be so blind. Enjoy what we have. 3 years ago we won 17 games, we had nothing to be optimistic about. Last year this team was gone. Now it's here, it's going to be here, we have great young players and they are starting to grow and play better together, and yet we find a way to complain. I really don't understand, sorry.