Rebuilding and rotations

[Catalyst]

I've seen a lot of people bashing Musselman's rotations on the floor, and I wanted to comment about it.

It seems like the Kings have a few players who are cancerous. Namely, Kenny Thomas.

They also have some young guys that are getting minutes when they wouldn't have gotten any under our previous coach -- or most coaches in the league for the that matter.

And, I personally think this is a good thing.

Because, if a young player works his butt off in practice and is trying hard, Musselman is playing him. This lets the young guys show what they can do.

Since this team isn't going to win any thing this year, playing the young guys and players with good attitudes accomplishes two things.

One, because you're not playing your veterans as much as possible, you're going to lose a lot more games.

Two, playing guys that have a good lockeroom attitude shows the other players that being a punk won't get you minutes.

Where I'm going with all this... is that the Kings are putting themselves in a nice position to rebuild.

They're losing games, but they're doing it in a way that seems to keep their veteran players happy, while still getting to see what their young players are capable of.

Imagine if this time next year the Kings have a core team to put around a guy like Greg Oden. Bibby at PG, Martin at SG, Artest at SF, maybe Shareef at PF and then a high draft pick, and you could have a nice team.

Just my 2 cents...

 

[Bricklayer]

Actually we have no young guys getting ANY minutes outside of Kevin, who has earned them.

There is not a shred of rebuild in what we have done yet. We will see what the future holds.

 

[Catalyst]

Kenny Thomas being reduced to 11 minutes and Justin Williams getting 10 is a BIG change.

The Kings just re-signed this guy, and now he's playing.

 

[uopmatt]

I totally loved the play of Williams today. I thought he showed a pretty good ability to defend the basket and he gives us a young athletic body that can finish around the basket. As far as getting a high draft pick to build around. I just don't see it happening because as bad as the kings are right now there are just too many teams in the eastern conference that are horrible.

 

[Bricklayer]

Kenny Thomas being reduced to 11 minutes and Justin Williams getting 10 is a BIG change.

The Kings just re-signed this guy, and now he's playing.

So wait...this is based on 1 game?

Justin played :47 seconds last time out. And it was 33 yr old Corliss Williamson gettig the minutes. This isn't us stresing youth, its us casting about desperately for answers.

We have kids to play if we do make the call to rebuild, and hopefully could add more in the trades that would actually signal rebuilding. But we haven't done anything of the sort yet. Cisco averages 13 min a game, and in some barely hits the floor. Price averages 9.7min, and has barely played in weeks. Douby averages 7.3min and has only recently even gotten to the point of being in the game. Williams was signed to a 10 day over a week ago and today is the first we've seen of him. If this is a youth movement or rebuilding plan, Muss is ratehr confused.

 

[Gary]

Yah, but the writing is on the wall... K9 has totally fallen out of favor with Musselman. I think JW will continue to get some minutes, and KT will slip further and further down the bench.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I think alot of people in the organization might still be in denial of alot of things. But that denial should turn into reality very soon, I have a feeling.

 

[Krunker]

I agree that Muss is letting the young guys play more than they would under Adelman, but the playing time is inconsistent. One day Douby gets a bunch of minutes, the next he gets garbage time, the next he is asked to make the game winning 3 pointer. I'm sure it's confusing to the players.

 

[Bricklayer]

I agree that Muss is letting the young guys play more than they would under Adelman,

I see absilutely zero evidence of that. I really do. Its exactly the same thing. Big minutes, no minutes, in the rotation, out of the rotation, relies/trusts vets...its just called being an NBA coach on the hot seat. Who are you going to trust? You play the kids you may not be around long enough to ever see them blossom.

 

[LA King Fan II]

The real minutes will come when Bibby or Artest goes which IMO will be soon. It'll be a hard decision since both seem to want to go.

It's time. Well, it's a little late but it's time for some real change.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I agree that Muss is letting the young guys play more than they would under Adelman.

What young guys are you referring to? Garcia? He played more for Adelman, and was more productive. Price appears to be buried under the doghouse next to Hart. Do you really think that Martin would be playing fewer minutes for Adelman with this team?

 

[Catalyst]

So wait...this is based on 1 game?

Based on one game, correct.

It's a start.

 

[Catalyst]

Young guys getting minutes was referring to Douby and Justin Williams.

Adelman never would have let these guys see time on the floor, unless it was meaningless or garbage.

He (Adelman) said a few times that he thought playing young guys could be detrimental to their development, and so he'd sit them a lot.

Most 1st-year players didn't see time with Sac's old coach.

 

[Bricklayer]

Young guys getting minutes was referring to Douby and Justin Williams.

Adelman never would have let these guys see time on the floor, unless it was meaningless or garbage.

He (Adelman) said a few times that he thought playing young guys could be detrimental to their development, and so he'd sit them a lot.

Most 1st-year players didn't see time with Sac's old coach.

First Years, Adelman:
Jason Williams 1805 (50 Game Season)
Peja Stojakovic 1025 (50 Game Season)
Hidayet Turkoglu 1245
Gerald Wallace 432
Darius Songaila 976
Kevin Martin 455
Francisco Garcia 1286

First Years, Musselman:
Quincy Douby 132
Justun Williams 11

 

[fnordius]

A lot of minutes the rookies got under Adelman were garbage time. It's the logical thing to do when you have a 15 point lead and 3 minutes to go.

I would hope that Muss would do the same, if he ever gets us playing well enough to have significant garbage time.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

A lot of minutes the rookies got under Adelman were garbage time. It's the logical thing to do when you have a 15 point lead and 3 minutes to go.

Which doesn't change the fact that, thus far, rookies tended to play more for Adelman than they have thus far for Musselman. And what's the difference between playing in garbage time and getting three throwaway minutes at the tail end of the second quarter, anyway?

 

[fnordius]

Which doesn't change the fact that, thus far, rookies tended to play more for Adelman than they have thus far for Musselman. And what's the difference between playing in garbage time and getting three throwaway minutes at the tail end of the second quarter, anyway?

The difference is that you have a clearly won game. We don't have many of those lately. Am I saying that Muss is leaving rookies out because the circumstances don't justify putting them in? No. I'm saying that we have no garbage time because we've generally stunk under his management.

 

[Warhawk]

A lot of minutes the rookies got under Adelman were garbage time. It's the logical thing to do when you have a 15 point lead and 3 minutes to go.

I would hope that Muss would do the same, if he ever gets us playing well enough to have significant garbage time.

I seem to recall several games this year we were COMFORTABLY ahead (yes, ahead) and the vets played to the last minute or two. You guys were howling to pull them so they don't get injured, remember?

 

[Catalyst]

First Years, Adelman:
Jason Williams 1805 (50 Game Season)
Peja Stojakovic 1025 (50 Game Season)
Hidayet Turkoglu 1245
Gerald Wallace 432
Darius Songaila 976
Kevin Martin 455
Francisco Garcia 1286

First Years, Musselman:
Quincy Douby 132
Justun Williams 11

Interesting how you stacked the statistics. Here's my spin. Numbers below are averages.

Under Adelman, rookie seasons
Gerald Wallace: 8.0
Darius Songaila: 13.4
Kevin Martin: 10.0

Justin Williams would have got zip playing time under Adelman, as for whatever reason, he loved Kenny Thomas.

Also, not fair to judge Musselman on stats considering he hasn't even coached a full season with the team. Especially when you use totals for the year and not averages.

Come on now, that's just ridiculous.

 

[NoNewArena]

I am disgusted with this team, and I'm wondering how many games they'll win the rest of the way (maybe NONE?). This team has no chemistry, no cohesive offensive plan, a stand-around, lazy defense, no ball movement, bad fundamentals, and just overall incompetence. Just move to Anaheim, already. This region won't miss you one bit. Guaranteed.....

 

[G_M]

I am disgusted with this team, and I'm wondering how many games they'll win the rest of the way (maybe NONE?). This team has no chemistry, no cohesive offensive plan, a stand-around, lazy defense, no ball movement, bad fundamentals, and just overall incompetence. Just move to Anaheim, already. This region won't miss you one bit. Guaranteed.....

Given your moniker your point of view is no surprise. However, some of us are actually FANS. Moreover, our tenure as FANS transcends ownership groups, coaches, and players. So, this may come as a shock but I want the team to improve and stick around.
Thats kinda what being a FAN is all about.....

 

[NoNewArena]

I can't be a fan of this team. They give me no reason to be a fan. Now, if they start to give a decent effort, I might reconsider, but at this point, I won't cheer for them simply because they have the word 'Sacramento' in their name. People that do that are, shall we say, softheads....

 

[G_M]

I can't be a fan of this team. They give me no reason to be a fan. Now, if they start to give a decent effort, I might reconsider, but at this point, I won't cheer for them simply because they have the word 'Sacramento' in their name. People that do that are, shall we say, softheads....

You don't have to jump up and down and wave pom pom's......

However, kicking the team to the curb just because they suck at the current moment does not reek of "FANDOM" Teams do turn things around, people are hired and fired, players are traded and things change.