Quote From Smart Speaks Volumes

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This was in the Bee. I thought this quote was very telling, and goes along with a lot of the fans criticism on what types of players should surround/help out our young nucleus.

"You're asking all these guys to be primetime players and they've never been in that role - to be a primetime guy every night," Smart said.

What makes great players great is consistency. The Kings haven't found that and their youngsters don't have the same support behind them anymore.

"(DeMarcus) Cousins, if he wasn't playing well, he had (Samuel) Dalembert," Smart said. "Tyreke if he wasn't playing well, he had (Beno) Udrih. We don't have a lot of that now, these guys are the forefront. They now have to bring something to the table every night, that's what I'm trying to build."

Well, no s*** the youngest core in the league is going to be inconsistent. That's exactly why just about everyone wanted quality role playing vets to fill out the roster.

"Cousins, if he wasn't playing well, he had Daly". Well, that makes a stronger team, does it not?

"Tyreke, if he wasn't playing well, he had Beno". Well, that makes a stronger team also, does it not?

Basically, what this says, is we had complimentary pieces which fit well with our young nucleus, and then let them go. Then, we didn't replace them. And given there isn't a time machine which can add 3 years experience for Reke/Cousins is one summer(correct me if I'm wrong), of course we're making it a whole lot tougher on them. This quote also says to me, that the players we brought in instead, are crap compared to what Daly/Beno offered to this club.

I hope Hayes does well when he returns, but there is no way it's going to be a situation where if Cousins isn't playing well, Hayes will simply pick up the slack.

I've seen a number of quotes by Smart lately, where it appears if you read through the lines, he's taking shots at both Westy, and Petrie. Wonder why?
 
Or he is simply analyzing the problems we have as he sees them. Is the above comments inaccurate? I don't think so. Are his comments helpful in understanding the teams poblems and giving us something to work on? Yes they are. Why do you ask 'why'?
 
This was in the Bee. I thought this quote was very telling, and goes along with a lot of the fans criticism on what types of players should surround/help out our young nucleus.



Well, no s*** the youngest core in the league is going to be inconsistent. That's exactly why just about everyone wanted quality role playing vets to fill out the roster.

"Cousins, if he wasn't playing well, he had Daly". Well, that makes a stronger team, does it not?

"Tyreke, if he wasn't playing well, he had Beno". Well, that makes a stronger team also, does it not?

Basically, what this says, is we had complimentary pieces which fit well with our young nucleus, and then let them go. Then, we didn't replace them. And given there isn't a time machine which can add 3 years experience for Reke/Cousins is one summer(correct me if I'm wrong), of course we're making it a whole lot tougher on them. This quote also says to me, that the players we brought in instead, are crap compared to what Daly/Beno offered to this club.

I hope Hayes does well when he returns, but there is no way it's going to be a situation where if Cousins isn't playing well, Hayes will simply pick up the slack.

I've seen a number of quotes by Smart lately, where it appears if you read through the lines, he's taking shots at both Westy, and Petrie. Wonder why?

Because he can see what is wrong with this team as well as we can. I don't care if Phil Jackson, or Adelman, or Pop is the coach, this team as constructed will not do anything significant. He is saying that their is little he can do because of the personnel and was basically handed this mess. He is saying that even if he does his job correctly, the failures of this team are not on him. Not sure how smart it is to say out loud even if it is accurate.
 
Or he is simply analyzing the problems we have as he sees them. Is the above comments inaccurate? I don't think so. Are his comments helpful in understanding the teams poblems and giving us something to work on? Yes they are. Why do you ask 'why'?

The wonder why, was sarcasm. Obviously we have problems, and obviously he knows who's responsible.

How is this helpful? We've known these problems for awhile.
 
I think it's too early to tell whether the decisions made involving getting rid of Beno/Casspi/Dalembert and adding Jimmer/Salmons/Hayes will pay off. I don't necessarily agree with them after the first few weeks, but if someone told me that Jimmer would look this lost, Salmons would go 9 straight games shooting 0-27 from 3 pt range, and Chuck would be out for this long, I'd have said they were crazy.

The thought process was clear:

1. If Tyreke stays healthy, improves his jumpshot, and gains experience, then between him, Thornton, and adding Jimmer, there is no need for Beno anymore. If Jimmer stops sucking, and Tyreke and Thornton continue to improve, I can't say that was the wrong decision.

2. Salmons is a vast improvement to anyone that we have had at the SF position since Artest. Obviously, he has played worse this season than any stretch of his entire career. So, we'll have to wait and see if this is a total bust

3. Hayes at $4 million is worth more than Dalembert at $7 million. I can't disagree with this one. If Hayes is healthy, and that money is used to add another piece to the team, then this might be true.


Now, if things continue this year for Jimmer and Salmons, and Hayes can't stay on the floor and add his defense and rebounding, then obviously, this will be the most disasterous off-season Petrie has ever had. But if Jimmer begins to add ANYTHING to the team, Salmons plays the way he did for Chicago and Milwaukee, and Hayes stays healthy, the moves might end up being ok. The rest of what went wrong this off-season sounds like it really isn't even the Front Office's fault. There isn't much you can do when players don't want to come here. If the Kings signed Jamal Crawford and Kirilenko, I bet there would be a whole different vibe surrounding Petrie.
 
I might be way wrong, but I'm confident that if we had Beno this season, we'd be real close to .500, and if we still had both Beno and Sammy we'd be above .500.

I've gotta admit though, Benos awful defense made me upset and I wanted him gone, but now... It's easy to see how most of us took Beno for granted. He would be extremely valuable for the Kings this season.

Sigh..
 
I think it's too early to tell whether the decisions made involving getting rid of Beno/Casspi/Dalembert and adding Jimmer/Salmons/Hayes will pay off. I don't necessarily agree with them after the first few weeks, but if someone told me that Jimmer would look this lost, Salmons would go 9 straight games shooting 0-27 from 3 pt range, and Chuck would be out for this long, I'd have said they were crazy.

The thought process was clear:

1. If Tyreke stays healthy, improves his jumpshot, and gains experience, then between him, Thornton, and adding Jimmer, there is no need for Beno anymore. If Jimmer stops sucking, and Tyreke and Thornton continue to improve, I can't say that was the wrong decision.

2. Salmons is a vast improvement to anyone that we have had at the SF position since Artest. Obviously, he has played worse this season than any stretch of his entire career. So, we'll have to wait and see if this is a total bust

3. Hayes at $4 million is worth more than Dalembert at $7 million. I can't disagree with this one. If Hayes is healthy, and that money is used to add another piece to the team, then this might be true.


Now, if things continue this year for Jimmer and Salmons, and Hayes can't stay on the floor and add his defense and rebounding, then obviously, this will be the most disasterous off-season Petrie has ever had. But if Jimmer begins to add ANYTHING to the team, Salmons plays the way he did for Chicago and Milwaukee, and Hayes stays healthy, the moves might end up being ok. The rest of what went wrong this off-season sounds like it really isn't even the Front Office's fault. There isn't much you can do when players don't want to come here. If the Kings signed Jamal Crawford and Kirilenko, I bet there would be a whole different vibe surrounding Petrie.


Chuck Hayes is at 5.5M for 4 years, Dally at 7 for one with a 6.7 for the second year. Obviously, that may not have been one Dally would have signed for here, but its a lot closer.
 
If the Kings signed Jamal Crawford and Kirilenko, I bet there would be a whole different vibe surrounding Petrie.

I don't know that Crawford would have been a good fit for the team at all. He and Thornton are essentially the same player, and I'm still not convinced that Thornton and Evans can exist on the same court at the same time.
 
It's sad that we don't have Dalembert and Beno. They made it so much easier on our main guys, DMC/Reke, to play, and they played their roles beautifully. But what's done is done, and we have our current roster. I still think we can be playing a bit better than what we're seeing as of now.

Anyway, looking forward to the game against the... Spurs!
 
It's sad that we don't have Dalembert and Beno. They made it so much easier on our main guys, DMC/Reke, to play, and they played their roles beautifully. But what's done is done, and we have our current roster. I still think we can be playing a bit better than what we're seeing as of now.

Anyway, looking forward to the game against the... Spurs!


Yeah man :0(

I'm predicting a 7 point Kings victory today. Take this statement and take it to the bank!

lol
 
I might be way wrong, but I'm confident that if we had Beno this season, we'd be real close to .500, and if we still had both Beno and Sammy we'd be above .500.

I've gotta admit though, Benos awful defense made me upset and I wanted him gone, but now... It's easy to see how most of us took Beno for granted. He would be extremely valuable for the Kings this season.

Sigh..

I'm not going to rave about Beno's defense, but it wasn't awful, it just wasn't good. And, it depended on who he was guarding on a given night. Jimmer's defense looked pretty good against Calderon. If you can keep your man in front of you, thats great, but it becomes a lot more difficult with screens being thrown at you. Tyreke isn't very good dealing with screens either. Sometimes its not about getting beat, but which way you allow the player to go. If you have help, you want to make sure you turn him into the help. A lot of knowing which way, is by having vocal help. Thats probably where they miss Hayes the most. Lets face it, Derrick Rose couldn't keep Derrick Rose in front of him. So its ridiculous to think that Beno could.
 
I agree. It sounds like Smart is saying, "You don't have back ups anymore, sorry. Also both Dalambert and Beno didn't take a lot of shots, had a high FG% and were veterans. I have no idea what the Maloofs and GP were thinking but I still believe in you guys. Now go get 'em."
 
I'm not going to rave about Beno's defense, but it wasn't awful, it just wasn't good. And, it depended on who he was guarding on a given night. Jimmer's defense looked pretty good against Calderon. If you can keep your man in front of you, thats great, but it becomes a lot more difficult with screens being thrown at you. Tyreke isn't very good dealing with screens either. Sometimes its not about getting beat, but which way you allow the player to go. If you have help, you want to make sure you turn him into the help. A lot of knowing which way, is by having vocal help. Thats probably where they miss Hayes the most. Lets face it, Derrick Rose couldn't keep Derrick Rose in front of him. So its ridiculous to think that Beno could.

The thing about Tyreke is that he has the sheer physical skills to make up for getting beat by the screen whereas Jimmer at this point, lacks the physical advantages of Reke and isn't yet saavy enough to find a way to get there. That being said, Beno was similar in that sense when he was the Spurs back-up PG.
 
Smart is smart.

Westphal just got catty and threw players under the bus when his pathetic "freelance" offense didnt net wins. Smart tells it like it is. We have an iffy roster, thats on GP. I dont think Smart is calling him out (that would be silly), just being straight with what the issue is.
 
Guys, Dally did not want to be here, he jilted all us fans like an old girlfriend, get over it:) And you are writing love poems for Beno? Really? Hey I liked Beno but he was not all that

This young Kings team is 6 and 10 having played two more on the road than at home. This with all the turmoil we have witnessed. Coach Smart has them rolling on a TWO game winning streak BABY!!!!

KB
 
I think it's too early to tell whether the decisions made involving getting rid of Beno/Casspi/Dalembert and adding Jimmer/Salmons/Hayes will pay off. I don't necessarily agree with them after the first few weeks, but if someone told me that Jimmer would look this lost, Salmons would go 9 straight games shooting 0-27 from 3 pt range, and Chuck would be out for this long, I'd have said they were crazy.

The thought process was clear:

1. If Tyreke stays healthy, improves his jumpshot, and gains experience, then between him, Thornton, and adding Jimmer, there is no need for Beno anymore. If Jimmer stops sucking, and Tyreke and Thornton continue to improve, I can't say that was the wrong decision.

2. Salmons is a vast improvement to anyone that we have had at the SF position since Artest. Obviously, he has played worse this season than any stretch of his entire career. So, we'll have to wait and see if this is a total bust

3. Hayes at $4 million is worth more than Dalembert at $7 million. I can't disagree with this one. If Hayes is healthy, and that money is used to add another piece to the team, then this might be true.


Now, if things continue this year for Jimmer and Salmons, and Hayes can't stay on the floor and add his defense and rebounding, then obviously, this will be the most disasterous off-season Petrie has ever had. But if Jimmer begins to add ANYTHING to the team, Salmons plays the way he did for Chicago and Milwaukee, and Hayes stays healthy, the moves might end up being ok. The rest of what went wrong this off-season sounds like it really isn't even the Front Office's fault. There isn't much you can do when players don't want to come here. If the Kings signed Jamal Crawford and Kirilenko, I bet there would be a whole different vibe surrounding Petrie.

If you keep sitting on that fence so hard, you will end up with splinters!

Here is the thing, at the end of last season it was clear what we needed

1. More veteran presence and leadership.
2. Get ourselves a SF that would fit in well.
3. More 3 point shooting.

Ideally, that would be recruited in 1 player. If a team needed more veterans, then why trade one veteran that WAS our leader and DID settle the side down numerous times when we looked lost out there. Beno-Reke-Thornton was as good a 3 guard rotation as anyone could hope for and not only on the Kings but league wide. It was made up of pieces that absolutely fit well. They complemented each other, any 2 out of the 3 could play together and there were times when all 3 were out there together at the same time and played well as a unit. That is a BIG key here.

I can see the logic behind looking to recruit Salmons BUT there were some obvious red flags as well. He is not really a SF, he is a SG. He struggles and always had struggled guarding bigger SFs in the league. Take a look around the league at the premier SF and compare them size-wise to Salmons. Its like throwing a rag doll to the lions. On top of that, he is known as a notorious black hole on the offense, a one on one iso type player and thats exactly the type of player we did NOT need with Cousins, Reke and Thornton on the team. The positives from Salmons was that he was a good defender (against SGs and smaller SFs) a good spot up 3PT shooter from the corner and a good ball hander. I could see the thought behind this move but if couldn't read from our history with this guy, then we never will. He needs the ball to be effective otherwise he just lays an egg. I could think of dozen SFs out there who are a better fit for us. Plus you are trading your one true veteran team leader in Beno who could actually control a game as a PG when we needed some veteran leadership for a known space cadet that we plain as a paper bag and with no leadership qualities. In fact he has a history of just plain quitting if he doesn't get it his way. Hardly the veteran leader this team needed.

On Dalembert, with all due respects to Hayes whom I do like, he is not a patch on Dalembert. He has NO offense, he is nowhere near as good a rebounder as Dalembert has been over his entire career and even when he is up and running, he is not the type of defender that this team needed as he is no shape or form can protect Cousins back there. I would have recruited Hayes in addition to keeping Dalembert but never in a million years as Dalembert's replacement. Hayes, even at his best, is a bad contract now and that cannot be said for Dalembert who is a bit of a bargain when you look at league wide how much that type of player costs. Its interesting that with Dalembert as a starter (after a bit of a settling period since he joined them once the season started or on the eve) Houston is one of the hottest team in the league at the moment and its a great deal to do with the impact that Dalembert is having.

We traded defence and height for stubby, short frontcourt and the results are clear, we are getting beaten in rebounding on a nightly basis. Take Cousins out and we are flat out terrible.

The 3 point shooting now, we needed it but it was not be all and end all. Memphis made the playoffs last year as the worst 3pt shooting team in the league but they had size that was difficult to match with. Size MATTERS in the NBA. Its a big reason why Lakers were dominant with their Bynum-Gasol-Odom 3 bigs rotation. It the reason why Memphis made the play-offs last year and its the reason why Thunder went out and got themselves Perkins AND dropped an extension on him when every team was hesitant to commit to anyone once the CBA was sorted.

You will win NOTHING in this league by going small but you will win A LOT by going big. Especially quality big that fit well together.

All our oh so great moves and we are worse off both in terms of roster and salary cap. Its a monumental **** up of the off-season. It is one proven way of remaining a lottery team for decades. Its great to preserve cap space in a rebuild but at some point you have to spend the money and spend it on the right type of players. Spend it on wrong players and you are practically back to square one.

Welcome to the current Sacramento Kings!

Give me the team that finished the season last year and you can keep the current version and I am confident that my team would be over .500 right now while yours would still be one of the worst in the NBA. And thats with my team having Cisco as my starting SF.
 
This was in the Bee. I thought this quote was very telling, and goes along with a lot of the fans criticism on what types of players should surround/help out our young nucleus.



Well, no s*** the youngest core in the league is going to be inconsistent. That's exactly why just about everyone wanted quality role playing vets to fill out the roster.

"Cousins, if he wasn't playing well, he had Daly". Well, that makes a stronger team, does it not?

"Tyreke, if he wasn't playing well, he had Beno". Well, that makes a stronger team also, does it not?

Basically, what this says, is we had complimentary pieces which fit well with our young nucleus, and then let them go. Then, we didn't replace them. And given there isn't a time machine which can add 3 years experience for Reke/Cousins is one summer(correct me if I'm wrong), of course we're making it a whole lot tougher on them. This quote also says to me, that the players we brought in instead, are crap compared to what Daly/Beno offered to this club.

I hope Hayes does well when he returns, but there is no way it's going to be a situation where if Cousins isn't playing well, Hayes will simply pick up the slack.

I've seen a number of quotes by Smart lately, where it appears if you read through the lines, he's taking shots at both Westy, and Petrie. Wonder why?

Not complementary pieces in terms of skills, more like complementary in terms of support, or a fallback. If you don't have the support or the fallback in Dalembert and Beno you have to grow up faster or face the dire consequences. It's the old adage about throwing the kid in the deep end of the pool to teach him to swim. I'd prefer to have both Dalembert and Beno, but there is an upside to not having them - Cousins and Tyreke have to grow up in a hurry. The "big brothers" aren't there any longer to back them up. I just think Smart is accurately assessing the situation. No more, no less.
 
The thing about Tyreke is that he has the sheer physical skills to make up for getting beat by the screen whereas Jimmer at this point, lacks the physical advantages of Reke and isn't yet saavy enough to find a way to get there. That being said, Beno was similar in that sense when he was the Spurs back-up PG.

Other than Tyreke, the backcourt guy with a lot of potential on this team is IT. He has the speed and quickness to make it uncomfortable on the smaller quick point guards in this league. Jimmer doesn't appear to have that capability.
 
The Kings have been a 3 shooting team by defaut because they couldn't figure out much else in 24 seconds. Smart realizes that they are the worst shooting team in the league and has a competely different pholosophy. Everyone misses Dalembert, but he did not want to stay. Forget about the personnel moves. They are water under the bridge. Beno was one of the slowest players in the league, steady but slow. Casspi was an emotional player but ran hot and cold.

The parts are in place now for a .500 team. Smart knows how to get the best of the talent he has. I do think it will be tough to be a winning team with a 6'6" center in Hayes. A larger mobile center like Dalembert was a great compliment for DMC and allows for more options like small ball. Stop wasting time worrying about the what-ifs and concentrate on the players and the season at hand. The win against the Spurs was some fo the best coaching we have seen in Sacto in years.
 
The Kings have been a 3 shooting team by defaut because they couldn't figure out much else in 24 seconds. Smart realizes that they are the worst shooting team in the league and has a competely different pholosophy. Everyone misses Dalembert, but he did not want to stay. Forget about the personnel moves. They are water under the bridge. Beno was one of the slowest players in the league, steady but slow. Casspi was an emotional player but ran hot and cold.

The parts are in place now for a .500 team. Smart knows how to get the best of the talent he has. I do think it will be tough to be a winning team with a 6'6" center in Hayes. A larger mobile center like Dalembert was a great compliment for DMC and allows for more options like small ball. Stop wasting time worrying about the what-ifs and concentrate on the players and the season at hand. The win against the Spurs was some fo the best coaching we have seen in Sacto in years.

Well I wouldn't say Hayes is our 6'6" center, since he starts at power forward for us. But I agree with most of what you say, it's all water under the bridge. We tried to get Dalembert, AK47, Crawford and they wouldn't come. so what can you do? Just draft well and obtain players through trades.
 
Yes, in fact much of what we discuss on this forum is in the past and might be considered water under the bridge but the past predicts the future. We have the same owners, the same FO and in fact we have changed nothing that might impact whether free agents will come here. No one knows why players are willing to accept less money from another team to stay away from Sacramento but it is a HUGE concern. And, no, there is nothing that we can change but that could be said about almost very discussion that goes on here.

At some point I hope that the draft is not so crucial as that will mean we have a competitive team. Trades are a lateral move that may tweak the team but no huge change can be expected. At this point, the only major change we can make (other than guys maturing) is to get a free agent of high caliber. We can't even get mid level players except for Hayes who grew up a Kings fan. I would suggest that this franchise develop a reputation so people want to come here. That suggestion has about as much impact as most of the wishes we voice.
 
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