Exposing Webber would have been a slap in the face to our franchise guy as well as undermining the intention of the expansion draft. Wallace wanted to play, we weren't going to play him, and he would have left as a free agent anyway. The team at the time was more interested in winning a championship than stashing young talent for the future. Sure it's an easy decision to make in retrospect. And Peeler never should have been an issue. That was just failure to plan properly. One of many reasons why we're currently looking up at the rest of the league in the standings. It's all in the past now. We can only hope something was learned from all of this.
I never understood that whole thing, Adelman wasn't a guy who ran a tough practice! They would let the cameras in sometimes and usually you'd see Chris or Vlade (or both) working on halfcourt shots. That team didn't have the best practice habits, not saying they were lazy but they obviously weren't running a Van Gundy type of practice.
And I remember that Dallas game, I thought he called to Adelman come out with a calf cramp and instead of giving him treatment to get the calf loose and get him back in (he was killing it that game, it was like he got a time machine and brought Future Gerald to play that one) they just didn't even look back at him the rest of the game. Even Don Nelson wondered why Gerald didn't come back, calling him the best player on the court that night.
And I remember that Dallas game, I thought he called to Adelman come out with a calf cramp and instead of giving him treatment to get the calf loose and get him back in (he was killing it that game, it was like he got a time machine and brought Future Gerald to play that one) they just didn't even look back at him the rest of the game. Even Don Nelson wondered why Gerald didn't come back, calling him the best player on the court that night.
But the thing that came up back then was that the Expansion List wasn't made public, just the players picked up and there was the possibility of making a deal ahead of the expansion draft. Some teams were even considering offering cash if the Bobcats would take off a bad contract of theirs. If the Kings wanted to work something out, they could've figured a way to keep Gerald but obviously there wasn't much incentive for Charlotte to help with that and I think the Kings were ready to give up on Gerald and let him get a shot with a fresh new team.
I think there is a good chance he will be in Europe withn 2 years. He is a borderline nba player, but could be very good in Europe.
His shooting ability, and the closer 3pt line could get him good minutes in a top euro club team and descent money. I don't ever see him getting any minutes besides garbage time and with the economy as bad as it is he might make more playing overseas.
His shooting ability, and the closer 3pt line could get him good minutes in a top euro club team and descent money. I don't ever see him getting any minutes besides garbage time and with the economy as bad as it is he might make more playing overseas.
As I've repeatedly mentioned over the years, the mistake wasn't not exposing Webber, it was the completely idiotic lack of planning involved in letting Anthony Peeler have an opt out in his contract, thus letting him leave us right on the eve of the expansion draft, and forcing us to expose somebody else instead (in this case Gerald). If he is signed to a two year deal, with no opt out, then he is part of the roster, and we just expose him. As it was we gave him the ability to escape the contract and he used it, thus leaving us with no good choices.
And the argument hat anthony Peeler would not have signed wiht us without that opt out just does not hold water. A) it was Athony Peeler -- how much bargaining power does he have?. B) it was Anthony Peeler -- if he will not sign a two year deal, he is easily replaced by someone who will. All in all, just an abominable lack of planning, and I think helped along by a front office not truly committed to keeping Gerald. If you're desperate to keep him, you take steps. As it was Darius played well and we decided to protect Darius Songaila instead of Gerald Wallace. How you like them apples?
And the argument hat anthony Peeler would not have signed wiht us without that opt out just does not hold water. A) it was Athony Peeler -- how much bargaining power does he have?. B) it was Anthony Peeler -- if he will not sign a two year deal, he is easily replaced by someone who will. All in all, just an abominable lack of planning, and I think helped along by a front office not truly committed to keeping Gerald. If you're desperate to keep him, you take steps. As it was Darius played well and we decided to protect Darius Songaila instead of Gerald Wallace. How you like them apples?
As it was Darius played well and we decided to protect Darius Songaila instead of Gerald Wallace. How you like them apples?
Douby will get his chances due to the fact that he was a former 1st round draft pick--teams will always look at his age, college production, and still throw opportunities at him. Just like Marcus Williams. Until he proves that he can't shoot for other teams as well, he'll eventually be gone from the league for good. I think with the right system, though, and given playing time, his three point bombing and deflection defense can prove somewhat useful, but even then his other deficiencies would still relegate him to bit player.
There's something I don't understand about this. I haven't really thought about it before this thread and I'm not trying to be obtuse. It seems to me that when the Kings had to declare who they were making available Peeler was under contract and could have been made available. The expansion draft was in June and he signed with the Wizards a month later in July of 04.
The Kings must have known after the season ended that Peeler was going to opt out. I've been trying to research the issue out of curiosity and it does not appear that the Kings were surprised by his decision. So, isn't the issue as you pointed out that they protected Songaila?
The Kings must have known after the season ended that Peeler was going to opt out. I've been trying to research the issue out of curiosity and it does not appear that the Kings were surprised by his decision. So, isn't the issue as you pointed out that they protected Songaila?
No, Songaila is the second issue.
The main issue, the big mistake, was undoubtedly Peeler. Everybody knew the expansion draft was coming for YEARS before it did. We failed to plan for the event. All you have to do to protect yourself in one of those is make sure you have somebody under contract at the time of the draft who is expendable. Its not hard. Its so not hard in fact that no other team in the entire league gave up as juicy of a piece as Gerald. Young, cheap, full of potential. I mean, duh. Songaila only becomes an issue because of the Peeler mistake. If we plan ahead, we don't have to expose Darius either.
the rule is/was:
1) you can protect up to 8 players under contract for next year on your roster (i.e., not FAs, guys under contract for the following year), any players beyond 8 are exposed to the draft
2) if you have 8 or fewer players uncer contract for next year, you still always have to expose at least 1 (so every team exposes at least 1)
examples:
a) you have 10 players under contract for next season; you get to protect 8 of the 10, you must leave the other 2 available for the draft;
b) you have 8 players under contract for next season; normally you could protect 8 players, but since that would mean you were exposing nobody to the draft, you can only protect 7 players, and expose 1 to the draft
In any case, you are ALWAYS going to have to expose 1, and you know that before the season begins, and know that at the trade deadline, and yet we took no action to protect ourselves by securing an expendable piece that we knew would be available for exposure. Peeler's opt out was absolutely the deal breaker -- much talked about at the time. If he does not opt out, then we list him as the exposed player, and protect Webb, Peja, Miller, Bibby, Christie, BJax, Songaila, Wallace (8 players). Once he opts out and becomes a FA, he is not eligible for the draft and we still have to expose 1 of our 8 players (see example b, above). That is when we chose Songaila over Gerald.
P.S. I should note here that its possible we were not thinking Darius would turn out to be anything and figured we could always just expose him, in which case a) why sign him at all; and b) our great plan in that situation was still to intentionally expose another young player -- exactly the type of guy the expansion teams are looking for.
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Frank Zicarelli, Toronto Sun: "Quincy Douby's 10-day contract expires this week. While he has looked good in practice, Douby has been given close to 30 minutes of playing time in three games with the Raptors, including 22 inconsequential minutes in last Friday's win over the Oklahoma City Thunder. The one-time Sacramento Kings guard never got off the bench in Sunday's wild overtime win over the Chicago Bulls. 'I have to try to find out what he can do,' interim head coach Jay Triano said of the 6-foot-3 product of Rutgers. 'I want to give him meaningful minutes. I just don't want him out there in garbage time.' [...] It might be easier said than done. Roko Ukic has done nothing to warrant fewer minutes and Jason Kapono isn't likely to get fewer touches. That leaves Triano in a bit of a bind and Douby in limbo."
Frank Zicarelli, Toronto Sun: "Quincy Douby's 10-day contract expires this week. While he has looked good in practice, Douby has been given close to 30 minutes of playing time in three games with the Raptors, including 22 inconsequential minutes in last Friday's win over the Oklahoma City Thunder. The one-time Sacramento Kings guard never got off the bench in Sunday's wild overtime win over the Chicago Bulls. 'I have to try to find out what he can do,' interim head coach Jay Triano said of the 6-foot-3 product of Rutgers. 'I want to give him meaningful minutes. I just don't want him out there in garbage time.' [...] It might be easier said than done. Roko Ukic has done nothing to warrant fewer minutes and Jason Kapono isn't likely to get fewer touches. That leaves Triano in a bit of a bind and Douby in limbo."
Wow! That was an old comment you quoted!
Anyway, "how many teams" wasn't an issue -- only the Bobcats were picking in the expansion draft, and they had no cap space problems because they had no players yet. There was a bit of discussion at the time of whether Webber should have been exposed -- would Charlotte risk taking him, would it make him angry?
But discussion or no, we know what happened in the end.
Anyway, "how many teams" wasn't an issue -- only the Bobcats were picking in the expansion draft, and they had no cap space problems because they had no players yet. There was a bit of discussion at the time of whether Webber should have been exposed -- would Charlotte risk taking him, would it make him angry?
But discussion or no, we know what happened in the end.