question on that last shot

[hanchiho]

was the ball within the area of imaginary cylinder of the hoop??

 

[KingKong]

From the replay that I've seen, a resounding YES. You can even see Steve Nash hesitate before he begins to celebrate. He wasn't too sure about that "block" either.

 

[Mad D]

was the ball within the area of imaginary cylinder of the hoop??

Dale Davis had a similar block on Brad that they did call goal tending a week ago.

 

[hanchiho]

is there any other replay?

is it possible to find replays from other angles on the court??or we can ask someone who attended the game tonight and see what they saw.

 

[AleksandarN]

here is the clip


http://s116937048.onlinehome.us/AMAROWNED.mpg

 

[Kingsgurl]

is it possible to find replays from other angles on the court??or we can ask someone who attended the game tonight and see what they saw.

17,317 thought it was a goal tend. The refs sure thought they had a reason to get out quick. Why don't they use that camera on top of the basket, that should show with NO room for doubt.

 

[hanchiho]

17,317 thought it was a goal tend. The refs sure thought they had a reason to get out quick. Why don't they use that camera on top of the basket, that should show with NO room for doubt.

so the refs didnt review the replay??

 

[Webber4tHREE]

I really hate the Suns

 

[BigWaxer]

The question is.. Was the ball in the circle of trust.

I think so therfore goal tending.

 

[hanchiho]

I really hate the Suns

i personally dont hate the suns. BUT, they are definitely not a good team if steve nash wasnt there. By the way they have weak bench, not a match for our new bench mobs.
and amare doesnt deserve the all star game, still, he's nothing if nash is on the bench. just check the stats from those games when nash is on Inj. list. he shot only 37%(i heard this on nba tv)!

 

[gocmen]

I couldn't watch it. I have only seen the clip that was posted here and it is not that detailed. Can someone tell me if Brad still touches the ball when Amare blocks it? That may make the whole difference.

 

[funsc]

i personally dont hate the suns. BUT, they are definitely not a good team if steve nash wasnt there. By the way they have weak bench, not a match for our new bench mobs.
and amare doesnt deserve the all star game, still, he's nothing if nash is on the bench. just check the stats from those games when nash is on Inj. list. he shot only 37%(i heard this on nba tv)!

Amare got in all-star partially because of the implicit rule of NBA: new faces are more welcome. Kings haven't changed much as a core until Mobley came into the town. If I remeber it correctly, Kings' pictures got in the main page of NBA website twice right after Mobley joined in. After all, this is all about business.

 

[Webber4tHREE]

This is just a horrible year for the Kings

 

[Bricklayer]

I couldn't watch it. I have only seen the clip that was posted here and it is not that detailed. Can someone tell me if Brad still touches the ball when Amare blocks it? That may make the whole difference.

Nope, was out of his hand.

 

[HndsmCelt]

It was a CLEAR Goal Tend. Ball in the cylendar. After the no call the entire Suns team was off the court in less than one minuet and the refes were gone 30 seconds later. Now NBA regsdo not allow for a repaly on a call or no call, but they did not even huddle. We are talking the final play of a hotly contested game with a tieng score on the line and I am supposed to belive that all 3 refs were either not watching the paly at the hoop or that they all agreed that it was a fair block? Sorry I don't buy it. No conspiricay theory here, I simply think that none of the reffs were sure and each waited for the other guy to blow his whistle. Wehn the Spur ran off court they decided not to give a late whistle and force them come out of the tunnel.

Now there are a lot of factors taht lead to the Kings loss and the no call is only the final one.

 

[SSBG]

This is no doubt going to draw the IRE of most people on this forum........
First, IMO, yes, it WAS goal tending.....
Now, here goes....A resounding, authoritative DUNK by Brad would have left NO room for doubt. At the least, it would have drawn a foul.

 

[HndsmCelt]

This is no doubt going to draw the IRE of most people on this forum........
First, IMO, yes, it WAS goal tending.....
Now, here goes....A resounding, authoritative DUNK by Brad would have left NO room for doubt. At the least, it would have drawn a foul.

Why would that upset me? I have been complaining aobut Brad and Pedja's soft lay ups since last season?

 

[SSBG]

Why would that upset me? I have been complaining aobut Brad and Pedja's soft lay ups since last season?

I said "most." Some people don't like the truth when it is critical.

 

[4cwebb]

I've got a question: did Brad have more time than to just flick a little shot from his shoulder up at the basket, cause if so, he'd have been much better served to either try to dunk the ball, or at least throw it off the glass with his left hand (so Amare can't get to it b/c the rim is blocking his path).

 

[mcsluggo]

I couldn't tell anything from that camera angle.

 

[Ryle]

I couldn't tell anything from that camera angle.

Me neither and I still haven't seen a replay. I was at the game in the upper sections and I really couldn't tell. ESPN replays don't show anything and when they replayed it at the game at was shown quickly and then never shown again. First thing I said to myself was why the hell didn't Brad dunk it.....

 

[GoSACtown]

i was @ the game myself, upper deck......last row lol. i still havnt seen the replay though like ryle said they only showed it once @ the arena

 

[bigbadred00]

Does anyone have a replay that shows the ball is in the cylinder? The one posted earlier on here and the one on espn are rather hard to see. Is it big in Sacto what happened last night because from what I gather here on ESPN "it was clean."

 

[Folsom Al]

Why ???

I really hate the Suns

No reason to hate the Suns .... they didn't make any of the calls .... they did what NBA teams are supposed to do .... PLAY BALL !!!

The King's played as well ... but, they also had a 16 point lead and allowed the Suns BACK INTO THIS ONE !!!

I'm sorry, I'm just venting ....

The ball WAS MOST DEFINITELY in the imaginery cylinder above the rim.

 

[Dave McNulla]

i think if the ball is going up, even if it's over part of the rim, it's not goaltending. the ball was still going up - i reviewed it just for that.

the kings should have finished the game stronger so it wouldn't hinge on a help-me call. the really disappointing thing is that kind of game is giving those little sh##s more confidence.

dave

 

[bigbadred00]

yes it is goaltending. do you want the books on the thing again, if the ball is in the imaginary cylinder over the rim it is in fact GOALtending. sorry man, if it was going up and outside the cylinder than yes it wasn't goaltending but if it was then it was goaltending, that's the debate. i have yet to see video showing me 1 or the other.

 

[Dave McNulla]

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11.html?nav=ArticleList

Section I-A Player Shall Not:
a. Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is using the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket.
b. Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder.
c. For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.
d. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.
e. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight.
f. Trap the ball against the face of the backboard. (To be a trapped ball, three elements must exist simultaneously. The hand, the ball and the backboard must all occur at the same time. A batted ball against the backboard is not a trapped ball.)
g. Touch any live ball from within the playing area that is on its downward flight with an opportunity to touch the basket ring. This is considered to be a "field goal attempt" or trying for a goal.
h. Touch the ball at any time with a hand which is through the basket ring.
i. Vibrate the rim or backboard so as to cause the ball to make an unnatural bounce.
PENALTY: If the violation is at the opponent's basket, the offended team is awarded two points, if the attempt is from the two point zone and three points if it is from the three point zone. The crediting of the score and subsequent procedure is the same as if the awarded score has resulted from the ball having gone through the basket, except that the official shall hand the ball to a player of the team entitled to the throw-in. If the violation is at a team's own basket, no points can be scored and the ball is awarded to the offended team at the free throw line extended on either sideline. If there is a violation by both teams, play shall be resumed by a jump ball between any two opponents at the center circle.

i stand corrected about the rule.

it does, however, look to clarify something else i'd always wondered: how much of the ball must be above the cylinder? 100? does the verticle center of the ball have to be within the cylinder? my interpretation of that means the entire ball must be above the cylinder or it's not "within".

but you are right about the rule.

edit
i just reviewed the clip about 30 times (just the block part). amare's arm does not go through the rim. his right shoulder is closest to the basket. his right arm blocks the shot, and is leaning away from his right towards his left as he blocks the shot. that is, his arm is leaning away from the basket to block the shot. how could his arm be away from the basket, not go through the basket, and block the ball, but also be over the basket? i don't think it can. i think the ball is not over the cylinder when he blocks it.

 

[Folsom Al]

Rule Interpretation ...

If ANY AMOUNT/PART of the ball is above the rim and within the imaginary cylinder ...it's either Goal-Tending or Goal-Interference.

 

[piksi]

If ANY AMOUNT/PART of the ball is above the rim and within the imaginary cylinder ...it's either Goal-Tending or Goal-Interference.

or a no call .

 

[Dave McNulla]

If ANY AMOUNT/PART of the ball is above the rim and within the imaginary cylinder ...it's either Goal-Tending or Goal-Interference.

the rule doesn't say that. i'm not saying you don't know what you are talking about, i'm just wondering if that's your interpretation, if it's another fan's opinion, if you used to be an nba official or on the rules committee. how do you know the nba meant that (any part of the ball) if the rule doesn't say that?