Question about the Draft / Mike
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It really stinks too because we are getting next to nothing at 4/5, so we rely so heavily for points from our 1-3. Artest can score, but then again he would get into that 1 on 1 thing and try to do everything himself. We really need a balances attack and to build up the bench. Besides the hole at 4/5, now also 1 with Bibby not in the plans, and the inexperienced bench...we have a good deal of work to do.
I think Bibby would be a fool to opt out of his contract.. I don't think any team is going to pay him in the 14 mil/year as he has left..
If Petrie wanted expiring contracts and draft picks for Bibby, tells me that there will be a major make over of the team this summer.
Probably going to be a interesting summer...
If Petrie wanted expiring contracts and draft picks for Bibby, tells me that there will be a major make over of the team this summer.
Probably going to be a interesting summer...
Bibby will not opt out because he knows he cannot get that kind of money anywhere else. IMHO Bibby is really the least of our worries. He is a good point guard struggling this year, he has shown signs of being his old self ( I.E. 30 points last night). The kings really need to focus on improving our big men. I woulda liked to see the kings trade kt and maybe even brad. I really like justin williams and cant seem to understand why he doesnt get even a few minutes. I mean every1 knows that this teams weakness is our low post... he has shown signs of helping out that situation. Put him in the game!!! Keep Bibby trade our bigs this offseason AND draft a big man!!
If Petrie wants to keep Bibby, or at least keep the pressure off, they'll work out some kind of extension. In order to do that, Mike has to decline the ETO. If they sign him for a fair amount and contract length, he's just as moveable as he ever was. It's the uncertainly of his ETO status that, I think, might have been a deterent to the teams that might have otherwise made decent offers for him.
OK, call me dim-witted but I must be missing something. If they agree to an extension without him excercising the ETO, wouldn't that mean somebody would still have to pay him the $28 million for the next two years plus whatever the extension is? If so, I'm not sure that would make him more attractive.
Possible, but tough, as we'll probably still have to play the matching salary game. Late pick? Sure. But even in this draft those are longer shots. Early/lottery pick? The best teams to target in those scenarios might be the good teams in "win now" mode who have managed to saavy out a lottey pick in this year of all years, but those squads (thinking Chicago and Phoenix now) already have their PG position taken care of -- suppose Phoenix could have an interest and it would make Mike happy, but not at his price and sending him to the elite team in our division...
I will post this here as well since we ar on the subject, but supposedly the BEE posted this..
Sacramento Kings' point guard Mike Bibby struggled with the notion that he could remain with the team that seemed so motivated to move him, but didn't. Now, Bibby expects to be somewhere else next season. "I don't know where it's going to leave me," Bibby said. "I think they're trying to go in a different direction, and I don't think I'm involved in that direction."
Source: Sacramento Bee
Sacramento Kings' point guard Mike Bibby struggled with the notion that he could remain with the team that seemed so motivated to move him, but didn't. Now, Bibby expects to be somewhere else next season. "I don't know where it's going to leave me," Bibby said. "I think they're trying to go in a different direction, and I don't think I'm involved in that direction."
Source: Sacramento Bee
Couldn't find it. I was looking for the BEE articles, but didn't see it anywhere.. O well =/ I thought I read everythign here.. guess not
So looking to the summer, say we dont make the playoffs n we continue to fizzle out this season. Mike decides to opt out...which he probablly wont...but say he does, the free agent market is weak, who do becomes our starting point guard? price?? salmons?? personally i see bibby as our starting pg next year as the best possibilty. As bricklayer said ealier in this forum, bibby is still a 7 or 8 outta 10 and we wont get any better than that if he leaves.
This furthers my point of keeping bibby n building up our front line, if we let the free agents go n resign j-will n ronnie we will have a little room to work with if we make some trades.
Someone please tell me who our starting pg would be next year if it isnt Mike.
This furthers my point of keeping bibby n building up our front line, if we let the free agents go n resign j-will n ronnie we will have a little room to work with if we make some trades.
Someone please tell me who our starting pg would be next year if it isnt Mike.
This Summer and beyond......
This is kind of long, but stick with it if your bored and need a decent read...lol..
If, per you example he does opt out then it would be Price unless they were to try to sign a guy like Mo Williams or Billups (who also has an ETO). They could also look to add a stop gap kind of player for a year or two and wait to see what the 2008 FA market consists of (I haven't looked that far ahead yet). In addition speculation is that the 2008 draft is strong for PG's but who knows how that will work out. For the fan seeking a diverse knowledge base in basketball in order to be a well rounded fan look at Texas A&M PG Acie Law IV, he is projected to go around the late teens this year but is the highest rated PG in the draft thus far. Just watch him play if you get a chance.
I think would we (as kings fans) need to realize and what it seems like most don't is this is not a short term fix. Meaning even if Bibby opt's out and like some have said who out there is better to take his place. Is Mo Williams better or just a younger Bibby, any insight anyone??
My theory is that it usually takes a few years of being bad and rebuilding through the draft (with luck) unless you are trying to do it through FA. That being said look at Boston, Atlanta, Charlotte and so forth. They have nice young talent but their fans have been suffering for awhile, some longer than others (see Atlanta). This may be our only option and if so people need to be prepared for a few down years or more, in addition I don't feel the team can compete in FA as long you have deadweight contracts on the roster, i.e. #9 and #52.
To have 2 mediocre players eating up that much cap for this year and the next 3 makes it real tough to have any wiggle room. My feeling is that the team should be in rebuilding mode until those two come off the cap and then we can serious look at the FA's at that time. Unless of course Cuban buys our team and does what it takes to win unlike the ownership / gm we now have in place.
In addition, even if we picked up FA's now, next year or the next, #9 and #52 are still collecting a check and giving little back. Can anyone say "BUYOUTS" for these two. It would be nice but unfortunately their deals still have to many years left. In the end looking at the 2010-11 season as the time to make a move is best as the young talent should be developed by then, muss will be long gone..lol.., and all the teams that are better than us now will be older then. Will Duncan be the same 4 years from now, how about Dirk, AI, Nash, KG and so on. LA will still be solid with Kobe and their yound talent as will Utah and Dallas should still be solid but as far as the rest who knows right!
My ultimate point is no matter what we do now or for the next 3-4 years we are going to be a fringe playoff/lottery team anyway and I think it is time that the fans here let the ownership know that we want more, that we deserve more and we aren't going to continue to put up with them sitting on their hands and taking all out money and loyalty and giving nothing back!!
Any thoughts about all this out there Kings Fans??
This is kind of long, but stick with it if your bored and need a decent read...lol..
If, per you example he does opt out then it would be Price unless they were to try to sign a guy like Mo Williams or Billups (who also has an ETO). They could also look to add a stop gap kind of player for a year or two and wait to see what the 2008 FA market consists of (I haven't looked that far ahead yet). In addition speculation is that the 2008 draft is strong for PG's but who knows how that will work out. For the fan seeking a diverse knowledge base in basketball in order to be a well rounded fan look at Texas A&M PG Acie Law IV, he is projected to go around the late teens this year but is the highest rated PG in the draft thus far. Just watch him play if you get a chance.
I think would we (as kings fans) need to realize and what it seems like most don't is this is not a short term fix. Meaning even if Bibby opt's out and like some have said who out there is better to take his place. Is Mo Williams better or just a younger Bibby, any insight anyone??
My theory is that it usually takes a few years of being bad and rebuilding through the draft (with luck) unless you are trying to do it through FA. That being said look at Boston, Atlanta, Charlotte and so forth. They have nice young talent but their fans have been suffering for awhile, some longer than others (see Atlanta). This may be our only option and if so people need to be prepared for a few down years or more, in addition I don't feel the team can compete in FA as long you have deadweight contracts on the roster, i.e. #9 and #52.
To have 2 mediocre players eating up that much cap for this year and the next 3 makes it real tough to have any wiggle room. My feeling is that the team should be in rebuilding mode until those two come off the cap and then we can serious look at the FA's at that time. Unless of course Cuban buys our team and does what it takes to win unlike the ownership / gm we now have in place.
In addition, even if we picked up FA's now, next year or the next, #9 and #52 are still collecting a check and giving little back. Can anyone say "BUYOUTS" for these two. It would be nice but unfortunately their deals still have to many years left. In the end looking at the 2010-11 season as the time to make a move is best as the young talent should be developed by then, muss will be long gone..lol.., and all the teams that are better than us now will be older then. Will Duncan be the same 4 years from now, how about Dirk, AI, Nash, KG and so on. LA will still be solid with Kobe and their yound talent as will Utah and Dallas should still be solid but as far as the rest who knows right!
My ultimate point is no matter what we do now or for the next 3-4 years we are going to be a fringe playoff/lottery team anyway and I think it is time that the fans here let the ownership know that we want more, that we deserve more and we aren't going to continue to put up with them sitting on their hands and taking all out money and loyalty and giving nothing back!!
Any thoughts about all this out there Kings Fans??
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Taking all our money and loyalty and giving nothing back? Were you a Kins fan BEFORE the Maloofs bought the team?
Granted, things haven't been rosy for the past couple of years but I'm extremely grateful to the Maloofs for what they have done. Without them we never would have re-signed Webber for the $121 million. They've been passionate and involved owners; perhaps a little too involved at times, but they do care.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to lead up to - what exactly do you think the fans should be doing? If it's anything like what I've seen other NBA cities, no thanks. I'm proud to be a Kings fan and I'm not going to stoop to the level of Philadelphia or some of the other cities.
And to get back to your original premise, I don't think it's relevant. If you read the article posted in the main forum today about the Kings needing to rebuild, I think you'll realize the state we're in now is one most teams go through. I think most Kings fans will stick with the team, even if they have to give up season tickets or attend fewer games. I also firmly believe they (the fans) are just waiting for an indication of management's commitment to rebuilding. When that happens, I think the collective sigh of relief will be heard throughout the Kingdom.
Taking all our money and loyalty and giving nothing back? Were you a Kins fan BEFORE the Maloofs bought the team?
Granted, things haven't been rosy for the past couple of years but I'm extremely grateful to the Maloofs for what they have done. Without them we never would have re-signed Webber for the $121 million. They've been passionate and involved owners; perhaps a little too involved at times, but they do care.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to lead up to - what exactly do you think the fans should be doing? If it's anything like what I've seen other NBA cities, no thanks. I'm proud to be a Kings fan and I'm not going to stoop to the level of Philadelphia or some of the other cities.
And to get back to your original premise, I don't think it's relevant. If you read the article posted in the main forum today about the Kings needing to rebuild, I think you'll realize the state we're in now is one most teams go through. I think most Kings fans will stick with the team, even if they have to give up season tickets or attend fewer games. I also firmly believe they (the fans) are just waiting for an indication of management's commitment to rebuilding. When that happens, I think the collective sigh of relief will be heard throughout the Kingdom.
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