Quality analysis on Bagley's Summer League
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McLemore is just a bad basketball player. The Kings didn't do anything to mess his development up. If anything they gave him every shot in the world and he couldn't step up. I don't fault the Kings at all for not developing that crop of rookies. I fault them for drafting them but it's not like any of them have gone on to do better things outside of the Kings organization.
I really think you've taken overreacting to a completely new and almost delusional level. You are too easily influenced by the outside world and their opinions on things. These "experts" that write on the NBA are usually wrong and are typically a complete and utter joke. You are allowing yourself to be disappointed by 4 meaningless games (2 of which he did decently well in, just his shot was not falling) and 2 that he was rotten in. Ben Mclemore once scored 26 points in a summer league game and looked absolutely great, and it did not help him at all in his career did it? Anthony Randolph averaged 27 a game in summer league and he was out of the NBA real quick wasn't he? For every player that played well in summer league and it translated to the NBA, I can find 3 players who were never able to do that.
All I am saying is to allow Bagley the right to showcase himself in actual games, with teammates who are worthy of being on an NBA roster. I would also urge you to look at some of the positive things Bagley did (there are positive things I assure you) and to not only focus on the bad things. You are reading so much into these 4 games that you're missing the forest for the trees.
All I am saying is to allow Bagley the right to showcase himself in actual games, with teammates who are worthy of being on an NBA roster. I would also urge you to look at some of the positive things Bagley did (there are positive things I assure you) and to not only focus on the bad things. You are reading so much into these 4 games that you're missing the forest for the trees.
I am genuinely baffled by the negativity towards Bagley. Kid hasn't even played an NBA preseason game yet, let alone a season. Just because he isn't the player that you personally wanted drafted, doesn't automatically make him a bust or a project.
This "Quality Analysis" of 3 1/2 games is literally just an analysis of 3 1/2 glorified pickup games. Meaningless as far as a career goes.
This "Quality Analysis" of 3 1/2 games is literally just an analysis of 3 1/2 glorified pickup games. Meaningless as far as a career goes.
The last line makes no sense. A player selected at #5 is known by all logical fans to be a role player, but a player #2 is a bluechip prospect. Maybe you have forgotten about an all-pro like IT selected last in the draft and had votes for MVP one year. Great players come from the first round and second round not just the top 10.
I think it's genuine concern more than negativity. 99 percent of Kings fans want him to succeed even if he wasn't the preferred pick.
He looked bad imo but I almost wonder if it wasn't a bit of shock that threw him off. He probably has never played a game he didn't totally dominate. I look forward to him proving the doubters wrong (including myself)
He looked bad imo but I almost wonder if it wasn't a bit of shock that threw him off. He probably has never played a game he didn't totally dominate. I look forward to him proving the doubters wrong (including myself)
Who? There are people who want Bagley to fail? Which posters and where are you referring?
It’s normal for anyone to have genuine concern over Bagley given his summer league. IMO it’s not genuine to not have concern over him
It was an important decision. It will be talked about for the next 5 years either way, and jobs will depend on it.
Given the importance of the decision, I’m sure some Doncic believers will certainly have animosity if the decision doesn’t work out (whoever they are). Doncic is a polarizing prospect but some see him as a generational type
It’s normal for anyone to have genuine concern over Bagley given his summer league. IMO it’s not genuine to not have concern over him
It was an important decision. It will be talked about for the next 5 years either way, and jobs will depend on it.
Given the importance of the decision, I’m sure some Doncic believers will certainly have animosity if the decision doesn’t work out (whoever they are). Doncic is a polarizing prospect but some see him as a generational type
Well you can't hype Harry Giles as the second coming based on what he showed in Summerleague and then go on to dismiss Bagley's struggles, can't have it both ways. No one is saying Bagley is a complete bust but just pointing out clear weaknesses in his game that were as clear as day, regardless of competition level. Harry Giles looked very good on multiple levels. Marvin Bagley looked like an energetic athelte who doesn't know how to play basketball, yet.
I think ultimately, the issue is, if you went through the annals of all star caliber bigs, and that’s what Bagley’s draft night expectation was, I think it would be unlikely that many of them would have made the first impression with question marks that Bagley did in SL. That’s the issue.
How much stock you put into a series of games; whether you think trajectories are made, or it’s just a few pick up games, the first paragraph remains.
It’s a tough thing, because a lot of the franchise’s immediate success could depend on it. For me, I like Fox, Buddy/Bogdan (starting together), JJ, and think at least one of Giles/Skal/Gabriel/WCS (not high on WCS) can come up. It’s a big gap to have a franchise big or not with that. It’s a big X factor
How much stock you put into a series of games; whether you think trajectories are made, or it’s just a few pick up games, the first paragraph remains.
It’s a tough thing, because a lot of the franchise’s immediate success could depend on it. For me, I like Fox, Buddy/Bogdan (starting together), JJ, and think at least one of Giles/Skal/Gabriel/WCS (not high on WCS) can come up. It’s a big gap to have a franchise big or not with that. It’s a big X factor
I'm not really hyped any more or less on either guy, but it should stand to reason that Giles would look better in SL. He's been practicing with the Kings, in the system, with at least a couple of those SL guys for nearly a season already. He kinda knows where the ball is supposed to go and where he can be to get the best result. Bagley had only practiced a handful of times. Knowing where to be makes it a little easier to show your talent and I think Giles had a sizable advantage in that area.
Man I really think too many people got too geeked up over having the second pick.
Why is it so much more essential to NAIL the second pick than it is to nail the seventh pick?
Looking back the last 10-20 years, how many GM's have nailed the second pick in 20-20 hindsight? It's harder than it looks. The guy who took KD was right. Who else at #2? I look back at the number 2 picks - in the 90's it was pretty easy - lots of really good players on that list. Ever since 2000 it has been damned hard to get a home run at pick #2. really really hard.
Who are we comparing Vlade against when we say if he missed getting the second best player in the draft, he should be gone? Who are the guys who have consistently gotten it right?
I think y'all tripping to hang everything on nailing the #2 pick. Now if Doncic winds up as a hindsight no-brainer, then yeah there should be accountability for passing on him because he was such a strong consensus guy. But if Bagley has to beat the whole rest of the field for Vlade to save his job - that is crazy. Just truly crazy and almost a guarantee of failure. Bamba, Jackson, Young, Carter heck any number of guys could turn out to be better players than Bagley and it doesn't mean Vlade choked.
I liked Bagley's hops and energy and can't wait for this coming season
Why is it so much more essential to NAIL the second pick than it is to nail the seventh pick?
Looking back the last 10-20 years, how many GM's have nailed the second pick in 20-20 hindsight? It's harder than it looks. The guy who took KD was right. Who else at #2? I look back at the number 2 picks - in the 90's it was pretty easy - lots of really good players on that list. Ever since 2000 it has been damned hard to get a home run at pick #2. really really hard.
Who are we comparing Vlade against when we say if he missed getting the second best player in the draft, he should be gone? Who are the guys who have consistently gotten it right?
I think y'all tripping to hang everything on nailing the #2 pick. Now if Doncic winds up as a hindsight no-brainer, then yeah there should be accountability for passing on him because he was such a strong consensus guy. But if Bagley has to beat the whole rest of the field for Vlade to save his job - that is crazy. Just truly crazy and almost a guarantee of failure. Bamba, Jackson, Young, Carter heck any number of guys could turn out to be better players than Bagley and it doesn't mean Vlade choked.
I liked Bagley's hops and energy and can't wait for this coming season
Right, and that's why I'm still here? You know if I loved Doncic that much I could've turned to a Mavs fan like someone did here when Boogie got traded(is he a Warrior fan now?). IMO they got the pick wrong, and to this point I have no evidence to tell me different. I am completely hopeful Bagley proves me wrong but Doncic IMO was a franchise changing complete basketball player, those don't come around often, let alone for the Sacramento Kings.
I don't mind the Bagley pick, but I get why it frustrates a lot of fans.
You have a guy like Doncic who is a proven winner and leader. It's very easy to see him fitting in to basically any teams long term plans and rotation. The guy has a very high basketball IQ and would've filled a major need for us. Plus I know a lot of us have soft spot for blue chip Euro prospects.
So seeing us pass on a guy like that for a raw big man prospect to add to our already large stable of big men, who lacks many of the skills needed for big men in today's NBA, not to mention a complete lack of a right hand whatsoever, is pretty hard to comprehend.
Plus there is the fact that we are all sick of losing, so knowing that the player we drafted is still a long way away from being a solid player, while the one we let get away could probably have started day one doesn't help things.
You have a guy like Doncic who is a proven winner and leader. It's very easy to see him fitting in to basically any teams long term plans and rotation. The guy has a very high basketball IQ and would've filled a major need for us. Plus I know a lot of us have soft spot for blue chip Euro prospects.
So seeing us pass on a guy like that for a raw big man prospect to add to our already large stable of big men, who lacks many of the skills needed for big men in today's NBA, not to mention a complete lack of a right hand whatsoever, is pretty hard to comprehend.
Plus there is the fact that we are all sick of losing, so knowing that the player we drafted is still a long way away from being a solid player, while the one we let get away could probably have started day one doesn't help things.
I wanted Bagley before the draft. No one Stockholmed me. The Kings validated my opinion. De'Aaron Fox is an All-Star. Bagley is the perfect complement who set scoring and rebounding records in the ACC at the age of 18. Luka could not beat his man off the bounce, shot 31% from deep and is closer to 6'6 than 6'9. He is also not renowned for his work ethic. What is hard about this to understand?
For me it was the reasoning behind the pick. They have been preaching ball movement and the style they want to play. Then they say they passed on Doncic because they didn't want to take the ball out of Fox's hands when Doncic fits the style.
As for Bagley, if we was the best low post scorer in college last year then the college low post game doesnt exist anymore.
As for Bagley, if we was the best low post scorer in college last year then the college low post game doesnt exist anymore.
Actually there is some truth to the history of the second pick and the expectations. Right or wrong, in a strong draft, the conception is the player will be a franchise the guy. The history is true though.
Vlade, who many think’s head is already on the block and needed to get this right for his own security, though, needs to be held accountable if Doncic is a player and/or Bagley is “disappointing” as a pick. Disappointing meaning continuing summer league trajectory or a step below many of the top ten picks. And all the top ten picks looked better than him in SL pretty much
Vlade, who many think’s head is already on the block and needed to get this right for his own security, though, needs to be held accountable if Doncic is a player and/or Bagley is “disappointing” as a pick. Disappointing meaning continuing summer league trajectory or a step below many of the top ten picks. And all the top ten picks looked better than him in SL pretty much